Wackie Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Wackie please explain exactly what refereeing decisions cost England lastnight. As for the Kenny McKinna comment, I wonder if that was more to do with it being a Scot as opposed to a "British" event. There were a number of referring faux pas last night. Too much movement at the tapes which hindered Team GB in some races, the Holder/Harris crash, which he eventually got right! The King/Smolinski crash which he didn't. King was passed the german when he decided to turn in on him - but you wouldn't see it that way As for Kenny McKinna being a Scot, of course that's why they were all there supporting him, but it was the BRITISH final. The fans, along with Kenny seemed to buy into the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Even is the National Stadium at Belle Vue is used to its full potential its only one tiny brick in a huge structure that needs to be rebuilt. One track open for practice in Manchester is going to leave too many young lads too far away to get any kind of regular practice in. England due to its population and landmass needs atleast 4 large training venues from the south coast upto North Yorkshire (ish) That is why i say that Scotland needs a training academy that can be shared between Edinburgh, Glasgow and Berwick. But with things as they are this will never happen and England or GB (whichever you prefer) will continue to decline. Is speedway really such an unsponsorable sport or is that what promotors want us to believe? I mean Poland manages to bring in big sponsorship as does Denmark and Sweden. Id say there are some big money companies that would be happy to have their name tied to speedway in the UK but the fact that it is run like a kids playground "gang" means they look elsewhere to spend said money. Wackie, movement at the tapes affects other riders not just English. Also its a clutching at straws to say they would have won if not for that. Also the Holder/Harris decision was called correctly so you cant say that cost you anything. The King/Smolinski move was also called correctly, yet as i say you will clutch at straws to try and convince yourself you are good enough to have won. If they were buying into the "British" side of it i dare say they would have been there in huge numbers whether a Scot was in it or not. What you seem to forget is that whether you agree with GB/UK or not you have to go through its structure and competitions to get anywhere in the sport. For example if Andy Tully wanted to get into the GPs he would likely have to win the British Final and would race as a Brit. Whether he agreed with that or not. Playing by the rules doesnt mean you agree with or buy into something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Went last night to support the Aussies but hoping more than anything for a good meeting. Wasnt dissapointed in anyway. Racing was first class , the track was the best i have seen any track in the UK. Full credit to the track team that produced the surface for the riders to show there skills. The Checks and Germans also played there part and put in some supurb rides. Team UK did there country proud and bar a few dnfs could have won. 10 out of 10 all round showed how good speedway can be. Chopper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Saturday's meeting was good, but last night was the best meeting I've seen in a long time. The GB boys seemed really up for it and couldn't have given any more. Australia similarly were giving it everything. There was even good racing from Ales Dryml and the Czechs and Smolinski. Full credit to King's Lynn for a terrific meeting. Anyone who thinks another track could provide a better meeting than that is talking nonsense. Peterborough is good, Poole is average, but King's Lynn is the best. Somerset can rival Lynn for racing, but doesn't have the capacity or facilities. Lets hope the new Belle Vue (based on old Hyde Road and some top Polish tracks) can give us something to match King's Lynn for the 2013 final. Personally, rather than the race-off and final be held at the same track, I'd like to see the race-off at King's Lynn before the big final at Belle Vue. Only downsides to last night were the abysmal referee and the silly joker rule. So onto the race-off. Sadly I don't see GB doing it against Denmark and Poland at Mallila, but if they show the same determination as last night, who knows. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Oh its not that i dont like watching it. I just hate they way they go on as they do year after year. The same bias yelling, the inane ranting, the constant talk of "Team England" while at the same time no other nation within the UK is allowed a team. I actually love the World Cup i just wish they would broadcast it professionally and remember that not everyone is behind England. Team GB was representing Britain not England, when N Ireland, Scotland or Wales have rider/s good enough to represent Team GB they will be part of the squad. Whilst Team GB are a good way behind the likes of other European sides and now even the Russians we should still use the best riders available, and at present they are all English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Team GB was representing Britain not England, when N Ireland, Scotland or Wales have rider/s good enough to represent Team GB they will be part of the squad. Whilst Team GB are a good way behind the likes of other European sides and now even the Russians we should still use the best riders available, and at present they are all English. Yeah we know that its all English guys, trust me enough people keep mentioning that. But the thing is its very unlikely that there will ever be a Scot in team GB. Not because we are not capable of racing bikes but because we have less facilities even than the English, but also we have a smaller population to recruit new riders from. Have you ever stopped to look at the English riders in the team over the years and looked at the regions they come from? You will see that the majority of riders come from the south of England. Again this isnt because they cant ride bikes in the north its simply because there are less tracks, less facilities and less people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I thought Peterborough's last staging of a WTC round was an excellent effort with great racing. Didn't matter when future rounds were handed out in GB. and who did the track prep work that day ? Kings Lynn own Buster Chapman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINGO Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Great meeting last night! I think the Norfolk Arena should keep the world cup because overall i dont think there is a track better in Britian.It produces great racing and alot of riders like it. Also the NA is a good venue because it has good veiws of the racing all the way around the stadium, the facitiles and parking arnt to bad ethier and can cope with the amount of people that attended WC speedway. Also the great racing and track conditions will attract more people to the event next year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I must admit they do know how to prepare a track at Kings Lynn,top class track prep equals top class racing,wish they could do that in gp's as well,event 1 in Poland could have done with a bit more grip in my opinion and even though the racing in Poland was good,maybe it could have been even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Lets hope the new Belle Vue (based on old Hyde Road and some top Polish tracks) can give us something to match King's Lynn for the 2013 final. Personally, rather than the race-off and final be held at the same track, I'd like to see the race-off at King's Lynn before the big final at Belle Vue. This is the new Belle Vue stadium which they have not even started to build yet. To be honest, I'll believe the hype about the new stadium when I see the construction of it begin. We are a year away from the 2013 SWC and we've not even been given a date when the building of it might start. I'm not being negative or down on Belle Vue. I truly hope it is built. However, how long have we been hearing the line 'It is going to happen...'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Yeah we know that its all English guys, trust me enough people keep mentioning that. But the thing is its very unlikely that there will ever be a Scot in team GB. Not because we are not capable of racing bikes but because we have less facilities even than the English, but also we have a smaller population to recruit new riders from. Have you ever stopped to look at the English riders in the team over the years and looked at the regions they come from? You will see that the majority of riders come from the south of England. Again this isnt because they cant ride bikes in the north its simply because there are less tracks, less facilities and less people. Don't buy that excuse Snyper, if a rider is dedicated enough he/she will make it their business to achieve their potential, I just don't recon that British riders have the same dedication (at present) that other country's rides have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry_Bee Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Well i hope some footage gets on youtube soon, Not only did i have to work last night but my sky box went and packed up. Sounds like a great meeting and a huge well done to Team GB, did better than i thought and when you think about what level we are at in the sport i think we pushed the Australians harder than they thought we would, Fingers crossed for Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 This is the new Belle Vue stadium which they have not even started to build yet. To be honest, I'll believe the hype about the new stadium when I see the construction of it begin. We are a year away from the 2013 SWC and we've not even been given a date when the building of it might start. I'm not being negative or down on Belle Vue. I truly hope it is built. However, how long have we been hearing the line 'It is going to happen...'? I'm still waiting for the promised replacement for Richmond ice rink. As for snyper. Appropriate name- same old predjudice. We didn't call it England the Aussies did Just say something that conradicts the stereotype. Well done Team GB. It was superb speedway that would have converted the casual viewer. I can't see us doing it again on Thursday but as long as they give it their best shot like they did last night what more can we ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Exile Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Brilliant meeting last night, tremendous value for money and a great follow up to Saturday's entertainment. It's been a long time since we cheered a German sportsman and credit to them for putting in a fine effort. Damn good crowd considering the location of King's Lynn, the doubts in people's minds caused by the horrendous weather we have seen of late, the lack of Poles etc etc. Well done to the KL promotion for a superb effort and a particular mention must go to the track staff. Cracking surface resulted in equally cracking racing. No doubts last night about why we love speedway, that is for sure. Couple of minor items to consider for next year, if the event remains at Lynn and not all necessarily the responsibility of the Stars hierarchy: The fancy layout of the programme race card looked impressive from a design perspective but was damned confusing and had no contingency for substitute riders nor any space for race times. Please do not repeat this error. It was not always visually clear to the crowd (at least on bend 4) when Jokers were being played and similarly tannoy communication with the crowd was sometimes suspect. This could have been down to a lack of information reaching the announcer in a timely fashion. Am sure the catering turns a tidy profit for the stadium though when there is such a big crowd, the home straight Cafe (at least for people who do not want burgers) is awkward and slow and therefore frustrating especially during track grading/television intervals. Perhaps an additional catering outlet (temporary) would help. Above points are not meant to detract from what was a superb night of speedway and the bonus of turning right out of the main NA car park and totally avoiding the traffic queues at the end meant we were back in North London well before midnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Yeah we know that its all English guys, trust me enough people keep mentioning that. But the thing is its very unlikely that there will ever be a Scot in team GB. Not because we are not capable of racing bikes but because we have less facilities even than the English, but also we have a smaller population to recruit new riders from. Have you ever stopped to look at the English riders in the team over the years and looked at the regions they come from? You will see that the majority of riders come from the south of England. Again this isnt because they cant ride bikes in the north its simply because there are less tracks, less facilities and less people. This is news to me! Is this something that has only just happened? There I was, labouring under the misapprehension that Scotland has ALWAYS been smaller, with less facilities and less people... Never stopped McKinlay, Hunter, McMillan etc from becoming stars, did it? There is absolutely NO REASON for us not to see a Scot in Team GB, except that there don't seem to be any with the desire and determination at the moment. Sure, population and facilities help, but it didn't stop riders like Ole Olsen, Rune Holta, or Armando Castagna from making the grade, did it? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 We could all pick out a few names that go against the trend in all walks of life not just speedway. But in the end it will ultimately come down to numbers, money and facilities. I didnt say the riders called the team england, i was meaning people on the forum. But while we are touching on the subject it is only recently that the english riders have stopped calling GB, England Tai was one of the worst for it. Apologies for not having names on my replies but in on my mobile and cant go and look at names while typing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Another great meeting last night,fair play to Team GB,they couldnt do anymore and they gave their all.Thought the Aussies were there for the taking but no,so play-off it is then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I see the forum bigot has reared his head again.... I think he should be shut in a room with bigfatdave for a couple of hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Already bumped into bfd a couple of times, how does that affect the price of cheese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Been there and done ita few times.Yeah,so foreign people lump Scotland and wales in together and call the whole mess England.Blame it on the edjumakation system in foreign.What the hell can anyone do about it?It's GB and so be it.I don't like it too very much,but hey i don't like spinach either and don't keep bleating on about it round the time ofthe spinach harvest each year :blink: Edited July 10, 2012 by iris123 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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