vog Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Not the best meeting, but thankful for any speedway given the British summer. IoW were awful. Looked beaten from the moment they turned up. Slow from the gate, over-riding in the early heats and falling, and generally looking like they wanted to be anywhere but Stoke (Which is perfectly understandable!) Lots of EF's and falls cost them any chance of doing anything. For Stoke, Birks showed what the track was capable of in the later heats, and Reade was pretty much untroubled to a paid 21 pointer. Everyone else chipped in well barring Jaimie, who took a hefty fall in his second ride and looked uncomfortable in his other 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) It is meetings like this where riders appear not to try, that give other riders false averages, for instance Ben Reade, Vog says a paid 21 pointer tonight, elsewhere it has been pointed out his average so far in ALL meetings is pushing up towards 9 now, is Ben Reade a 9 pointer ? with respect he is not, and what will happen next year if he has an average of say over 8, will Teams want him on that average ??. I am not in any way criticising Ben Reade or Stoke but the system, and the fact we only have 8 Teams in the League, Ben Reade is having an outstanding season, and well done to him for that, what i am trying to say is will he suffer for it in the long term ?. Is this 3 home and three away meetings a fair system to have when we only have 14 meetings in all, a rider can ride in 5 home 2 away or vice versa, and have half the season in meetings on his 2011 average, again the point i am trying to make is will the riders suffer for it in the long term ?. Edited July 7, 2012 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 It is meetings like this where riders appear not to try, that give other riders false averages, for instance Ben Reade, Vog says a paid 21 pointer tonight, elsewhere it has been pointed out his average so far in ALL meetings is pushing up towards 9 now, is Ben Reade a 9 pointer ? with respect he is not, and what will happen next year if he has an average of say over 8, will Teams want him on that average ??. I am not in any way criticising Ben Reade or Stoke but the system, and the fact we only have 8 Teams in the League, Ben Reade is having an outstanding season, and well done to him for that, what i am trying to say is will he suffer for it in the long term ?. Is this 3 home and three away meetings a fair system to have when we only have 14 meetings in all, a rider can ride in 5 home 2 away or vice versa, and have half the season in meetings on his 2011 average, again the point i am trying to make is will the riders suffer for it in the long term ?. With Ben, these last 2 meetings have been interesting, because he has ridden on a track where people have turned up without the will to ride, but by the same token, let's look at his scores this season: IoW (H): 5 Dudley (A): 10+1 Dudley (H): 14+3 Scunthorpe (A): 15 IoW (A): 13 Scunthorpe (H): 15+1 IoW (A): 11+2 Buxton (H): 14+1 Buxton (A): 11+1 Scunthorpe (H): 15+3 IoW (H): 17+4 He has been fantastic this season. If he a 9 pointer? Nope. Is he a 7 pointer? Quite possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) Fully agree Vog, much nearer a 7 pointer at this stage of his career, and he deserves it, and a seven point average wouldnt hurt him next season either. Edited July 7, 2012 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Fully agree Vog, much nearer a 7 pointer at this stage of his career, and he deserves it, and a seven point average wouldnt hurt him next season either. I think, given the fact he will probably move up soon, his average will dip slightly at the end of the season from what it is now, mainly because he won't be having 6 or 7 rides a meeting. I'm just happy at the massive leap that he seems to have made. He looks much smoother as a rider and much quicker than last season. I'm just glad we stuck with him and he chose to come back to us! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jef Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Doesn't sound anyone was impressed with the Islanders last night. Aaron Baseby put in a good score, did he ride well or was it luck? Surprised at the negative comments on the updates forum about Paul Stark, he has seemed to be going well at home so far this season. The whole team has had more than their fair share of engine problems this year, with the lack of meetings surely theres been enough time to get the bikes running properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Doesn't sound anyone was impressed with the Islanders last night. Aaron Baseby put in a good score, did he ride well or was it luck? Surprised at the negative comments on the updates forum about Paul Stark, he has seemed to be going well at home so far this season. The whole team has had more than their fair share of engine problems this year, with the lack of meetings surely theres been enough time to get the bikes running properly? The track was understandably very heavy and not the best or easiest to race on; I am not a rider but in conditions like that you must get out of the gate so that you have the clean run and IOW really did not do that, they looked like( think Vog mentioned somewhere) they did not want to be there which made for a poorish nights racing. Aaron did ok but nobody on the IOW side did anything that their averages suggested. Their big point advantage race should of been a 0-0 as the pair of them did not race at all and I'm sure that there is something that say's you should at least try to race. So It could of been worse; bit picky that point but I'm more interested in if there is something in the rule book that says that. Ok one bike was failing but the other was ok. A night to forget the the Islanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 I believe you're right Steeplejack, you can be excluded for not making an attempt to race. The time of nearly 80s told you something but I doubt it would have been much better had Warwick's bike not given up. Not a positive evening so I don't want to say too much more than I did on the updates page. Though Jef, on the face of it Baseby's 8+1 was his best in an Islanders race jacket & an impressive away score, but disect it and who did he beat? Only Carr & Walter (excluding fallers and team-mates), 2x 3.00 riders. It does seem to be a tale of our NL campaigns, disappointing away defeat followed by a call to get back to winning ways at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Why is there such an aparent difference in The Islanders home and away form ?? Yes i am aware they have the biggest Track in the NL, but they should i would have thought be able to adapt to Tracks such as Stoke, Scunthorpe and Kings Lynn,Yes Rye House,Mildenhall,Buxton and Monmore are maybe more technical, so there could be an excuse for those Tracks, but reading on updates, and comments here there didnt seem to be to much effort in by The Islanders riders, which is unacceptable to supporters. Hughes ex Rye House, Stoneman ex Mildy & Dudley Baseby ex Mildenhall Starke ex Plymouth Hopwood has a few years experience now Really only Danny Warwick is what i would term a big track specialist, so seeing previous teams the riders have ridden for, there should be no excuses from that point of view. Edited July 8, 2012 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builderbob Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 i think probably some riders did not ride to there abillity arron apears to have rode quite well kyle had a fall in his first ride heat 1, when there were 3 separate fallers, incluiding birks, so what does that tell you about the state of the track yes i know its the same for both teams and fair play to stoke who bennifitted from more comitment danny had bike troubles all night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jef Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 danny had bike troubles all night It's all very well saying 'Danny had bike troubles all night' but surely turning up with equipment that works is part of the deal? I like Danny and he has done well for us so far and to be fair his bikes have been better than most of his team mates, But every meeting we seem to have at least one rider with 'bike troubles' are speedway bikes that unreliable or are our team just bad at getting them running properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 It's all very well saying 'Danny had bike troubles all night' but surely turning up with equipment that works is part of the deal? I like Danny and he has done well for us so far and to be fair his bikes have been better than most of his team mates, But every meeting we seem to have at least one rider with 'bike troubles' are speedway bikes that unreliable or are our team just bad at getting them running properly? I don't think that's a fair comment. You can turn up with equipment in fully working order, and a problem can emerge that wasn't there the week before. With any sort of machinery, motorbikes included, problems can develop at any time, of various different natures. Even in the elite league riders can have problems with equipment, Chris Harris being an example of that. I can't comment on individuals or problems, but it happens, at all levels, to all riders. Most riders look after their equipment well, and I know Danny looks after his bikes well - that isn't something he can be faulted on. It's just one of those things, I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 It's all very well saying 'Danny had bike troubles all night' but surely turning up with equipment that works is part of the deal? I like Danny and he has done well for us so far and to be fair his bikes have been better than most of his team mates, But every meeting we seem to have at least one rider with 'bike troubles' are speedway bikes that unreliable or are our team just bad at getting them running properly? Speedway bikes can be unreliable, and expensive beasts when they go wrong! In the NL, if you suffer a blown engine, it can take an age to save up to get it fixed again. I have absolute no insider knowledge as far as IOW is concerned, but the IOW track can be quite tough on the engines, which may or may not contribute to their problems. At this level, I think every team needs someone mechanically experienced to help out the younger guys with machinery, bikes, etc. There's a lot to learn at the beginning of their careers. Dudley have Jan O, Buxton have Dean Felton, Stoke Tony Atkin, Mildenhall have several, do IOW have someone similar? As for the meeting itself, I wasn't there, so shouldn't really comment, but these things happen, especially when the track is far from ideal. If you miss a gate, get sprayed with a load of crap, the bikes don't always like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 I think, given the fact he will probably move up soon, his average will dip slightly at the end of the season from what it is now, mainly because he won't be having 6 or 7 rides a meeting. I'm just happy at the massive leap that he seems to have made. He looks much smoother as a rider and much quicker than last season. I'm just glad we stuck with him and he chose to come back to us! Correct me if I'm wrong but averages are from program rides so taking 7 rides makes no difference to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jef Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 I don't think that's a fair comment. You can turn up with equipment in fully working order, and a problem can emerge that wasn't there the week before. With any sort of machinery, motorbikes included, problems can develop at any time, of various different natures. Even in the elite league riders can have problems with equipment, Chris Harris being an example of that. I can't comment on individuals or problems, but it happens, at all levels, to all riders. Most riders look after their equipment well, and I know Danny looks after his bikes well - that isn't something he can be faulted on. It's just one of those things, I guess. Sorry Rhidassa, wasn't having a pop at Danny, just baffles me why we have so many bike problems at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong but averages are from program rides so taking 7 rides makes no difference to them. All rides are counted in league matches not just programmed rides so taking seven rides does make a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzatopfuel Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Well done Ben Reade, bloody woefull from Islanders hey keyboard commander, at least they took part, get behind your local talent, They didnt have to ride, if your a supporter my respect, otherwise idiot off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 hey keyboard commander, at least they took part, get behind your local talent, They didnt have to ride, if your a supporter my respect, otherwise idiot off More than a supporter of the Islanders mate. So more than qualified to comment thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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