stratton Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Have watched him a bit, and his reputation is high last weekend I thought wow!, Collins, Lee, Carter, we have been blessed up until Havvy and Loram.Gustafsson was a immense talent odviously Ward is a mega talent this bloke I think could be good was well impressed.Got a long way to go but surely he could have a big say in the future of the next 5 to 7 years.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Have watched him a bit, and his reputation is high last weekend I thought wow!, Collins, Lee, Carter, we have been blessed up until Havvy and Loram.Gustafsson was a immense talent odviously Ward is a mega talent this bloke I think could be good was well impressed.Got a long way to go but surely he could have a big say in the future of the next 5 to 7 years.? Dudek is in my opinion better than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 IN a word ... VERY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 In a word-----Zabik.Or Rempala or Hlib etc......Basically it is too early really to say.I have followed Jepsen Jensen,Mikkel B and Mikkel Michelsen since they were about 12 and they all look good.....terrific even.But will any become World Champ or runner up?Hard to say as there is always someone elsewhere who also looks very good.Poland have had loads of riders who look good at 16,17 and 18 and then don't really go on much.Hampel is the only one over the last decade.What happened to Szombierski or Okoniewski........wait and see.Maybe Robert Lambert will come on the international scene in a couple of years and blow everyone away.maybe Arslan Fayzullin will one or two years after Robert and do the same.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny bee firefly Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Dudek is in my opinion better than him. Harsh to compare the two as dudek is 2 or 3 years older than zmarzlik !! Both great talents mind !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 In a word-----Zabik.Or Rempala or Hlib etc......Basically it is too early really to say.I have followed Jepsen Jensen,Mikkel B and Mikkel Michelsen since they were about 12 and they all look good.....terrific even.But will any become World Champ or runner up?Hard to say as there is always someone elsewhere who also looks very good.Poland have had loads of riders who look good at 16,17 and 18 and then don't really go on much.Hampel is the only one over the last decade.What happened to Szombierski or Okoniewski........wait and see.Maybe Robert Lambert will come on the international scene in a couple of years and blow everyone away.maybe Arslan Fayzullin will one or two years after Robert and do the same.... Jepsen Jensen will certainly never be world champion in my opinion,you are right to be able to gage how people are at 17 or18 is difficult I was impressed with this man thou still have not seen anyone better than Lee at aged 16/17 years old.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-D Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 I did not think he was that great at Poole last year I preferred Dudek but he seems to have improved immensely. I hope Poland use some of the youngsters in SWC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 I hope Poland use some of the youngsters in SWC. Too bad that they didn't hear you...Tomasz Gollob, Gregorz Walasek etc Zmarzlik has shown that he has some raw talent. He has a great teacher in Gollob too, however I wonder how blinkered his education will be? MJJ is getting to experience tracks in the Danish, British, Swedish and Polish leagues, whereas BZ has had 3 Swedish meetings and a handfull of FIM qualifying events away from Poland. BZ's performance in Sweden shows his lack of experience on smaller more technical tracks too. http://www.speedwayresults.com/rider.php?name=Bartosz&surname=Zmarzlik&type=Swedish%20Alsvenskan&season=2012 I hope that once his schooldays are over, he too can get to learn a bit more about tracks less than 360m in length and hopefully a British team will be blessed with his presence in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitch87 Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Dudek is in my opinion better than him. You're looking at it the wrong way mate, Dudek more older and more experience, was Dudek as good as Zmarzlik is now when he was 17? The answer is no he wasn't. Give Zmarzlik another 3 years until he is Dudek's age and he will probably be better than what Dudek is now. Can learn a lot in 3 years at this age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Wouldn't it be better to develop our own Zmarlik or Dudek?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Wouldn't it be better to develop our own Zmarlik or Dudek?? That would be great All we have to do now is find someone that owns a track, lets them practice whenever they want (free of charge), be dedicated and professional, be guided by experts (not family members or friends), take free time to help promote their sponsors, realise they are always learning and not think they are the new Rickardsson after a few wins etc etc When we do that ..... it could happen (if they are not in Magaluf for a drinking holiday) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) That would be great All we have to do now is find someone that owns a track, lets them practice whenever they want (free of charge), be dedicated and professional, be guided by experts (not family members or friends), take free time to help promote their sponsors, realise they are always learning and not think they are the new Rickardsson after a few wins etc etc When we do that ..... it could happen (if they are not in Magaluf for a drinking holiday) Top post! Well said. Can learn a lot in 3 years at this age. Depends on where his schooling is. As I alluded to before, if he sticks to the Ekstraliga Akademie of Zuzel, then his development will be slower than if he goes to the University of the Big Wide World. I mentioned about the Swedish, Danish and British leagues, A winter in Australia wouldn't hurt him either. Edited July 1, 2012 by uk_martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) Simple answer very good. The squeaky voiced one is probably the best of the Polish youngsters along with Dudek and there are a bunch of very good upandcoming ones as well. Tobias Musielac is a decent prospect and I like Jakob Jamrog. We have some decent good lads here in the UK but they don't get a chance to learn in the EL due to the obsession we have with training everyone elses youngsters but our own. Poland and Sweden make sure theirs get a chance in the big league. Obviously it's up to them to grasp it. Edited July 1, 2012 by pandorum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 ... but they don't get a chance to learn in the EL due to the obsession we have with training everyone elses youngsters but our own. Poland and Sweden make sure theirs get a chance in the big league... Don't over-egg that one. Don't forget that in Poland at least, this "getting a chance in the big league" could mean one solitary outing in Bieg 1 only. How many British riders would want to, or be able to afford to ride in a reserve berth in an EL team and only get an ride in the reserves race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Don't over-egg that one. Don't forget that in Poland at least, this "getting a chance in the big league" could mean one solitary outing in Bieg 1 only. How many British riders would want to, or be able to afford to ride in a reserve berth in an EL team and only get an ride in the reserves race? Reserves in Poland have to have more than one ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Reserves in Poland have to have more than one ride. Are you sure? I think I've seen scorecards where Adrian Cyfer of Stal Gorzow has only had one ride. I may be wrong and I wish I could know where to find an archive of score cards to check on this. But back to the point...Zmarzlik was outstanding last week in the SGP on his own track, last Saturday, then on Sunday, he was utterly mediocre away in Gdansk, and today, 10 (paid 11) from 4 rides on his home track, with Emil Saturdayjob being the only Polonia Big-Dosh rider to beat him. Funnily enough, Gdansk is rather smaller than Gorzow, kind of lending credance to the thought that BZ needs to get out more and gain experience on a wider number of tracks and environments, else he could end up a one-track-pony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) Are you sure? I think I've seen scorecards where Adrian Cyfer of Stal Gorzow has only had one ride. I may be wrong and I wish I could know where to find an archive of score cards to check on this. But back to the point...Zmarzlik was outstanding last week in the SGP on his own track, last Saturday, then on Sunday, he was utterly mediocre away in Gdansk, and today, 10 (paid 11) from 4 rides on his home track, with Emil Saturdayjob being the only Polonia Big-Dosh rider to beat him. Funnily enough, Gdansk is rather smaller than Gorzow, kind of lending credance to the thought that BZ needs to get out more and gain experience on a wider number of tracks and environments, else he could end up a one-track-pony. I would have said Gdansk is bigger than Gorzow from what i have seen on tv Edit Gdansk 349 m Gorzow 329 m Edited July 1, 2012 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I would have said Gdansk is bigger than Gorzow from what i have seen on tvEdit Gdansk 349 m Gorzow 329 m I stand corrected. I had in my mind that Gorzow was 360m, but you're right. Mind you, Gdansk looked a bit tighter than Gorzow, to me at least (on telly last week) which gave me the impression that it was smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitch87 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Yes, reserves in Poland have to have 3 rides, unless you are a certain amount of points down, maybe 6 at home or 8 away then you can replace them and they don't have to have 3 otherwise they have to have 3 rides. And any talk of Zmarzlik might become a one track pony absolute nonsense, the guy is only 17 years old, in his 2nd season, this year he has already had maximums at Gorican, and Lublin, this season the day before he turned 17 he broke the Tarnow track record which he now holds and he was only 16 when he did it, he rode very well in the Holsted round of world u21 final last season scoring more than likes of Pawlicki & Ward in that one, a smaller track than gorzow, He rode well in Pila not so long ago in the Polish individual semi finals, He had a good meeting in Malmo in 2010 a decent meeting in masarna avesta last year, a decent performance in vetlanda, he rode well considering who he was against and the fact he was at number 1 away at Rospigarna Hallstavik this season etc etc, I could go on for ages about performances on other tracks but at the end of the day this guy has been riding speedway for many many years since he was very young and is a natural talent on the speedway bike, whenever his bikes are set up well then he can absolutely fly regardless of the track. His away heats average this year is 1.556 and home is 1.883 which isn't a massive difference really, then compare this to the guy above him in averages and the guy below him in averages which are Freddie Lindgren and Kenneth Bjerre their heat averages away are 1.241 and 1.231 yet at home are 2.259 and 2.000 which is a big difference between away performance and home performance compared to Bartek. Yes he wasn't at his best in Gdansk, but on the otherhand he was brilliant in Czestochowa this season. If you know enough about Bartek then you will know he has had many good performances on a hell of a lot of different tracks big, medium, small, in many different competitions, including when he was u16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hi brother Pawel was also very promising young talent until that horrific crash during the Silver Helmet Final in 2010 as for Bartosz he is really good at his age but like someone else stated some of those young talents kinda dissapear at senior level we will have to see with his i wish him well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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