World U21 Championships Final Round Saturday 10th November

[iris123]

Surprised.I can't recall any of the Germans he competed against having ridden 500cc.What about the cheese munchers from your area?

[f-s-p]

His first meeting on a 500cc bike was in 2011

Surprised.

So a wild card for the U21 World Championship is just the thing he's deserved then with his solid efforts on the European tracks.

[DutchGrasstrack]

Yeah he raced to a few of our 125c kids in Blijham and Vechta

 

For as far as I know he only races in CZ, or for CZ in that Tri Nations championship.

[DutchGrasstrack]

There is a bit more behind this wildcard pick. The CZ federation got the wildcard and Skurla was the 4th rider in line after Zdenek Holub, Jan Holub and Eduard Krčmář all declined. This seems 'fair' as he is the next best CZ U21 rider after all the riders I mentioned (including the already qualified Vaclac Milik).

 

BUT, I agree on what fsp just said...

[f-s-p]

There is a bit more behind this wildcard pick. The CZ federation got the wildcard and Skurla was the 4th rider in line after Zdenek Holub, Jan Holub and Eduard Krčmář all declined. This seems 'fair' as he is the next best CZ U21 rider after all the riders I mentioned (including the already qualified Vaclac Milik).

 

BUT, I agree on what fsp just said...

Now I remember... The same story said that one of the riders declined because he had no passport! Think it was on Sportowefakty.pl a couple of days ago.

[crescent girl]

I think the FIM are holding this together pretty well.

 

There were always to be two local wild cards (like Newman and Perry were at Coventry).

 

Four Poles withdraw -- two with what could be termed questionable injuries.

 

FIM invite two further locals and include Dakota Morth and the Czech lad -- who are willing to further their experience

 

As someone said earlier -- these are World championships. The days of holding everything in one country and just using riders racing in that country at the time went out with Tommy Price in 1949.

 

Speedway is going global. If riders don't like that, don't enter for World championships. End of.

[freddyfivetoes]

I think the FIM are holding this together pretty well.

 

There were always to be two local wild cards (like Newman and Perry were at Coventry).

 

Four Poles withdraw -- two with what could be termed questionable injuries.

 

FIM invite two further locals and include Dakota Morth and the Czech lad -- who are willing to further their experience

 

As someone said earlier -- these are World championships. The days of holding everything in one country and just using riders racing in that country at the time went out with Tommy Price in 1949.

 

Speedway is going global. If riders don't like that, don't enter for World championships. End of.

 

Good post!

[racers and royals]

6 poles withdrew

[f-s-p]

Speedway is going global. If riders don't like that, don't enter for World championships. End of.

Thats's exactly whats happening! And at the moment it's looking more like the "end of" than a fresh start/new beginning. Thats just my view though, one that I have no problems of declaring and explaining. = )

 

Ice racing will announce some major revamps in their WC in a short while and it's been discussed that places in the qualifiers for SGP has been cut from 70? To 50? Next year.

 

Is this the right route the get new people to the sport: more expensive finals and less chances for riders to get in to them? Thats a genuine question...

 

[Wendy]

As someone said earlier -- these are World championships. The days of holding everything in one country and just using riders racing in that country at the time went out with Tommy Price in 1949.

 

Speedway is going global. If riders don't like that, don't enter for World championships. End of.

I don't think two under 21 meetings in Argentina is really going global. And I don't understand the 1949 comment - this first three world champions in 1936, 1937 and 1938 were two Aussies and an American.

The heart of speedway is in Europe and in my mind, the bulk of the big meetings should be there. And to have the deciding meetings of a major championship outside Europe has diminished the event.

Finishing off the under 21 championship in Argentina has far more to do with the politics within FIM than trying to encourage an emerging speedway nation. Or am I the only one that thinks that it is more than a coincidence that many Argentines coming to race in Europe do so on Italian licences while at the same time, it has been Armando Castagno who has pushed for Argentina to be included?

Why not have the opening round in Argentina, if the FIM want a round there (in the same way as NZ opens the SGP series) but have the climax to the series where the majority of the riders ride, namely Europe?

[DutchGrasstrack]

Lineup for round 6:

 

1. Sebastian Clemente

2. Michal Skurla

3. Dakota North

4. Vaclav Milik

5. Nicklas Porsing

6. Aleksandr Łoktaev

7. Fernando Garcia

8. Maciej Janowski

9. Mikkel B. Jensen

10. Michael Jepsen Jensen

11. Sam Masters

12. Mikkel Michelsen

13. Facundo Albin

14. Pontus Aspgren

15. Nikolaj Jakobsen

16. Facundo Cuello

[racers and royals]

Video of a half-decent race from Bahia Blanca http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/318679/imsj-obsada-turniejow-w-bahia-blanca-wideo

[iris123]

Finishing off the under 21 championship in Argentina has far more to do with the politics within FIM than trying to encourage an emerging speedway nation. Or am I the only one that thinks that it is more than a coincidence that many Argentines coming to race in Europe do so on Italian licences while at the same time, it has been Armando Castagno who has pushed for Argentina to be included?

Armando Castagna is the name mentioned to me pushing for this.And also the one who made a number of promises on the financial/organisation side to get people on board and they seem to have been forgotten-I would say in theory it is great for international speedway to be going round the globe......but the conditions have to be right.I don't think using the youngsters as guinnea pigs is right.It seems both the FIM + UEM are trying to push the bounaries without having the financial back up to cover the costs.The riders end up out of pocket and you end up with a meeting in Russia with no western rider and about 7 or 8 Russians a few Ukrainians a Czech and a Pole.And here you end up with 6 out of 7 Poles dropping out with sicknotes

[f-s-p]

I don't think two under 21 meetings in Argentina is really going global. And I don't understand the 1949 comment - this first three world champions in 1936, 1937 and 1938 were two Aussies and an American.

The heart of speedway is in Europe and in my mind, the bulk of the big meetings should be there. And to have the deciding meetings of a major championship outside Europe has diminished the event.

Finishing off the under 21 championship in Argentina has far more to do with the politics within FIM than trying to encourage an emerging speedway nation. Or am I the only one that thinks that it is more than a coincidence that many Argentines coming to race in Europe do so on Italian licences while at the same time, it has been Armando Castagno who has pushed for Argentina to be included?

Why not have the opening round in Argentina, if the FIM want a round there (in the same way as NZ opens the SGP series) but have the climax to the series where the majority of the riders ride, namely Europe?

A lot of sense in that post. Apart from the fact that any opening round (SGP excluded ) happens in the middle of the European season (June/July) and this time the bikes have been shipped already for them to be there. So for any rider to have two bikes in a container at sea for a month in July is probably out of the question.

[brandonbee48]

Video of a half-decent race from Bahia Blanca http://www.sportowef...ia-blanca-wideo

And people complain about an excitable Sky commentator. Great race, great commentary Thanks for this . Alan

[Kitch87]

 

 

Poles seem to think they run World Speedway -- remember their failed stance against the silencers?

 

"Too far from Warsaw, who do the FIM think they are, trying to make speedway global?"

 

Of course there's nothing wrong with them. Fully agree that we want to see a Dane on the top step at the end of it all, and the lads who did make the t5rip have a wonderful experience, as well as two fine meetings.

 

 

I hope the "missing in action" Poles are at the very least excluded from entering this event again. Probably too much to hope for an actual ban or fine -- because they're Polish.

 

A rider from one of the minor speedway nations would have suffered a heavier penalty, you might think.

 

I think even me or iris123 can question the absence of either Zmarzlik or Dudek. Dont know about the rest, but it's still a week until the plane leaves. Better watch out for them soaps on the floor...

 

Zmarzlik has a severely fractured thigh, przemek also has a broken leg, Dudek was in hospital for a week and his life was in danger with a damaged liver, Piotr is out of action injured what the hell is wrong with you these guys are badly injured man, all of them will have months on the sideline zmarzlik maybe more than 6 months.

Edited October 27, 2012 by Kitch87

[f-s-p]

Zmarzlik has a severely fractured thigh, przemek also has a broken leg, Dudek was in hospital for a week and his life was in danger with a damaged liver,

Like I said...

[iris123]

Think f-s-p might have got one thing wrong.Not sure i mentioned Zmarzlik as i hadn't heard anything on him.More i was told Musielak's injury was rather questionable,Dudek could have ridden in Pardu and Piotr was almost going to be fit to ride in the Play-offs if you read some of the comments on here....No,i think you have to be very naieve to believe all 6 Poles other than Magic are injured and can't make the trip after the funds to finance it were not forthcoming.All very fishy

 

Oh and it seems DK4 will be covering the meetings,so we can watch

[f-s-p]

Think f-s-p might have got one thing wrong.Not sure i mentioned Zmarzlik as i hadn't heard anything on him.More i was told Musielak's injury was rather questionable,Dudek could have ridden in Pardu and Piotr was almost going to be fit to ride in the Play-offs if you read some of the comments on here....No,i think you have to be very naieve to believe all 6 Poles other than Magic are injured and can't make the trip after the funds to finance it were not forthcoming.All very fishy

Oh and it seems DK4 will be covering the meetings,so we can watch

WRONG... WHO... :blink: ME???

 

I just remembered Dudeks comeback and then out again during the season and then I saw the crash video from Polish TV where Zmarzlik went through his accidents. I would not force him to make a comeback thi season...

 

Got the cover yesterday iris, thanks.

[freddyfivetoes]

Video of a half-decent race from Bahia Blanca http://www.sportowef...ia-blanca-wideo

 

Half-decent? If the racing's as good as that, then who could complain? Huge crowd too.

 

With competition and attendances like that, there can be no complaint over big meetings being staged there. It is only because these crowds and that racing aren't taking place in Europe that we are moaning about the globalisation.

 

It seems that the Argentinian trip next week is easier to achieve in many respects than getting to a qualifier in the further-flung reaches of Russia. What about Australia -- they certainly deserve recognition of their U-21 achievements over the years, and if the MA put in a firm bid to stage a round, who could complain (on sporting grounds)?

 

The FIM's problem in taking U-21 "around the world" is that there is a qualification system, so the Finals (and seven is probably far too many) can't start until June. This will mean any future U-21 Finals "going global" will probably always take place after the European season.