kiwi Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 More British riders isn't always better, it's making the the ones you've got better riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted June 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I refer to elite league to National league only ..no double standards ,,the inter change from National to Premier and premier to Elite is quite normal so dont twist my words to suite your opinion ,,which you are entitled to,, as am i.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 So still no praise for the league or the young riders that are progressing well I see. Nor an answer to the genuine question as to whose place Roynon has taken in the league this season. Without him the Heathens would have signed an equally, or more, experienced 9-pointer as we needed a number 1. If Roynon riding the NL is 'like taking candy from a baby' perhaps we should boot Ward out of the EL because they're both averaging around 10½ this season? Doubt I'll get an answer to that either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted June 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 So still no praise for the league or the young riders that are progressing well I see. Nor an answer to the genuine question as to whose place Roynon has taken in the league this season. Without him the Heathens would have signed an equally, or more, experienced 9-pointer as we needed a number 1. If Roynon riding the NL is 'like taking candy from a baby' perhaps we should boot Ward out of the EL because they're both averaging around 10½ this season? Doubt I'll get an answer to that either! You cant compere Ward inthe Elite only..with riders who are taking advantage of the rules as they stand to ride in all 3 leagues....Nothing against the riders concerned i just think the rule should be changed to 2 leagues only for next season...I would have the same opinion if the riders concerned were riding for the Raiders,,, this is mine and a number of others i have spoken too opinions,, i respect yours even though i disagree..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Taking riders like Roynon and Worral out of the NL would mean crowds of 2 men and a dog. People want to want to watch good riders not riders struggling to turn a bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I absolutely respect others' right to an opinion. If you don't like the rules then moan about the SCB. There's no point aiming you wrath at Roynon, the Heathens, the NL, British Speedway or the BSPA. I'm still staggered that anyone would moan about a young Brit, and yes he's still young, taking advantage of the rules to further his injury-interrupted career. I still haven't seen a response as to who people think has missed out on a team place because of Roynon. Which young Brit should the Heathens have signed in his place? The comment about Ward in the EL is absolutely relevant. The comment was made that Roynon taking points off the younger Brits was 'like taking candy from a baby'. Well the same could be said about Ward and the EL. What chance of our young Brits got in the EL when Ward's average in that league is the same as Roynon's in the NL, and likewise at that level Ward is beating them by ¼ lap? Do you read comments from EL fans that they want the EL weakened to the lowest denominator or strengthened to a higher standard? The only way to get better is ride against riders that are better and quicker than you are. It gives you a target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Its a 3 tier league system to grade riders to produce competitive racing.. Not to have elite league riders totally out classing youngsters and has beens in the National League ,,Obviously Stoke and Dudley fans are going to disagree with that,, its human nature ,,Whats the saying "Its like taking candy from a baby"..... Are you saying that if Ben was given the opportunity to ride for say Kings Lynn you would turn the opportunity down because he would be 'out classed' ?. I know most of the riders are more than happy to ride against these people because it gives them a challenge. They are bringing their experience to the NL the step up to PL seems to be too big for lads to fire staright off. There are only so many teams and so many no. 1's so teams need to use riders like Worrall and Roynan. How many out and out NL NO1.s can you name?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 It also gives a bench mark to all national league riders when they come up against Adam to see how much better they need to be to progress into the other leagues. Pretty much the same can be seen if you look at Bomber in the Elite league and the GP's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) I refer to elite league to National league only ..no double standards ,,the inter change from National to Premier and premier to Elite is quite normal so dont twist my words to suite your opinion ,,which you are entitled to,, as am i.. While I would agree that it is more common, exactly the same argumentt could be made about PL riders riding in the NL. I am not twisting anybody's words my friend - you are just shooting yourself in the foot!!! Adam started this year in the NL with an average that was calculated from his 2011 PL average. His 2011 NL average was in fact much lower. When given the opportunity, he decided to chance his arm at a reserve level as well in the EL. As it turns out, he has done exceptionally well in his role for the Bees. If he had scored nothing but a string of zero's in the EL, we would not be having this debate and you would probably be happy. I find it rather sad that there are people who would bemoan a British success story. Edited July 1, 2012 by villiers210 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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