ImpartialOne Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 The odd one you can consider as bad luck,but with Harris its becoming a regular thing. Exactly. Nobody has that much "bad luck". Dave Jessup was the same, although he was a genuine contender on occasions where as Harris never has been and never will be. To be fair, he's never looked like cutting it, bar a few months in 2010 and there are so many better riders than Harris not getting the preferential treatment that he is from IMG. They are destroying him by picking him year on year. I hope for his own sake they don't pick him next year and if they do, his most sensible option would be to turn it down. If we must have a British rider representing us next year, I'd rather Tai Woffinden have another season. He should have been picked this year ahead of Harris. He can't be any worse and in fact on this year's form I think he would have done a decent job. Harris has now been gifted a place for the world title five out of six years and I'm afraid that is unacceptable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Exactly. Nobody has that much "bad luck". Dave Jessup was the same, although he was a genuine contender on occasions where as Harris never has been and never will be. To be fair, he's never looked like cutting it, bar a few months in 2010 and there are so many better riders than Harris not getting the preferential treatment that he is from IMG. They are destroying him by picking him year on year. I hope for his own sake they don't pick him next year and if they do, his most sensible option would be to turn it down. If we must have a British rider representing us next year, I'd rather Tai Woffinden have another season. He should have been picked this year ahead of Harris. He can't be any worse and in fact on this year's form I think he would have done a decent job. Harris has now been gifted a place for the world title five out of six years and I'm afraid that is unacceptable. Harris has dined out on his one GP win for some time,if he qualifys as of right for next year,either by GP Challenge or top 8 finish,then fair doos,he will have earned another go at the GP series.But its out of the question for him to be considered for a wild card pick next year. On Woffinden,theres an article in this weeks Speedway Star with him,and he`s not excatly jumping at the prospect of wanting a GP wild card for next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Harris has dined out on his one GP win for some time,if he qualifys as of right for next year,either by GP Challenge or top 8 finish,then fair doos,he will have earned another go at the GP series.But its out of the question for him to be considered for a wild card pick next year. On Woffinden,theres an article in this weeks Speedway Star with him,and he`s not excatly jumping at the prospect of wanting a GP wild card for next year. Yes of course, I was forgetting he could yet still qualify and fair play to him if he does, he'll deserve his place. He's never qualified yet through that route and when you consider he gets two chances per year to qualify, he's qualified once in ten opportunities (I think he opted out of the qualifiers once or twice but the opportunity was there) As for Woffinden, I can't quite understand why he wouldn't take it on next year. He's ambitious and has been around at the top level long enough to give it a crack now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Yes of course, I was forgetting he could yet still qualify and fair play to him if he does, he'll deserve his place. He's never qualified yet through that route and when you consider he gets two chances per year to qualify, he's qualified once in ten opportunities (I think he opted out of the qualifiers once or twice but the opportunity was there) As for Woffinden, I can't quite understand why he wouldn't take it on next year. He's ambitious and has been around at the top level long enough to give it a crack now. Reading his interview in this weeks Speedway Star Woffindens clearly in two minds whether to take a GP wild card if one was offered indeed,one pick will go to Hampel and another to Darcy Ward should he make it known he wants to take on the GPs,that doesnt leave alot of room for a Brit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Reading his interview in this weeks Speedway Star Woffindens clearly in two minds whether to take a GP wild card if one was offered indeed,one pick will go to Hampel and another to Darcy Ward should he make it known he wants to take on the GPs,that doesnt leave alot of room for a Brit. Though Tai indicated on Sky last night that he was quite keen if offered a Wild card. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Though Tai indicated on Sky last night that he was quite keen if offered a Wild card. As I posted the kid is in two minds,in the Speedway Star interview he does seem unsure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Laguta, Ward, Hampel plus Vaculik are the 4 worthy picks, although visas may screw Laguta chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Harris is proof that the best riders should be in the GP irrespective of nationality, he isnt up to the level required england is now a third rate speedway nation, oh for another collins, morton, lee, simmons, jessup, carter etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) In the gp a couple of weeks ago harris was really good and also he is flying in the league. Prob is even when he is doing well, he always wants to do better so messes about with his set up and as seen it doesnt always work Edited June 24, 2012 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 In the gp a couple of weeks ago harris was really good and also he is flying in the league. Prob is even when he is doing well, he always wants to do better so messes about with his set up and as seen it doesnt always work He has an average of 4.60 in Poland (and has been dropped from the last few matches) while he is on 6.24 in Sweden. He may well score heavily in the weak Elite League over here, but his form in the major leagues is certainly not impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Harris is proof that the best riders should be in the GP irrespective of nationality, he isnt up to the level required england is now a third rate speedway nation, oh for another collins, morton, lee, simmons, jessup, carter etc that was a golden era for British riders..... unfortunately since then the machinery and sponsorship has got away from us I'm not sure that along the way we havent had riders to have the same potential as those guys ....but they have had a virtually impossible mission to realise the potential while their finances and backing are minnowed by the top guys from elsewhere........... I am still waiting for the day that a generation of them wake up and find out what the Aussie blueprint is because they hardly come over with megabucks themselves All that said there are obviously still issues in the Harris camp as to how the tuppence should be spent .... Holts gun gum or rubber bands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 that was a golden era for British riders..... unfortunately since then the machinery and sponsorship has got away from us I'm not sure that along the way we havent had riders to have the same potential as those guys ....but they have had a virtually impossible mission to realise the potential while their finances and backing are minnowed by the top guys from elsewhere........... I am still waiting for the day that a generation of them wake up and find out what the Aussie blueprint is because they hardly come over with megabucks themselves All that said there are obviously still issues in the Harris camp as to how the tuppence should be spent .... Holts gun gum or rubber bands Backing isn't the problem. Harris isn't short of good backing and as we know he throws a lot of money at it. Riders like Kennett and Richardson have had good backing from Hagon who I'm led to believe supply all their bikes. Nicholls had good backing from Allan Ham in the GPs but it didn't do him much good. The problem, as Loram has often said, is that riders aren't coming through from the Grasstrack scene like they used to. Loram, Screen, Doncaster, Wigg, Tatum, Cross and even lesser internationals like Schofield, Hurry, etc progressed from the grass. Harris too but times have changed and the National League isn't enough to bring in the talent required. If only someone could persuade Hagon to back a similar scheme to Hamill's, grab the kids off the street and supply the gear, we may start to build a future for this country. Broc Nicol looks to have the talent to make it already and we need to find those sort of prospects and help them along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Backing isn't the problem. Harris isn't short of good backing and as we know he throws a lot of money at it. Riders like Kennett and Richardson have had good backing from Hagon who I'm led to believe supply all their bikes. Nicholls had good backing from Allan Ham in the GPs but it didn't do him much good. The problem, as Loram has often said, is that riders aren't coming through from the Grasstrack scene like they used to. Loram, Screen, Doncaster, Wigg, Tatum, Cross and even lesser internationals like Schofield, Hurry, etc progressed from the grass. Harris too but times have changed and the National League isn't enough to bring in the talent required. If only someone could persuade Hagon to back a similar scheme to Hamill's, grab the kids off the street and supply the gear, we may start to build a future for this country. Broc Nicol looks to have the talent to make it already and we need to find those sort of prospects and help them along the way. Auty, Barker, Roynon, Daniel Greenwood and Tom Perry all came from grasstrack backgrounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 what can i say, a fantastic meeting with a bit of everything chucked in. a very good advert speedway gp i feel. harris ? two e/f not good enough at this or any level. really needs to up his game. hans ? not many points but on the pace and had good speed and rode with his head for once. crump ? what happened there, very poor. emil ? never been the same since his lay off. holder ? going well but dont like aussies ;-) new blood in proved very xciting and shows my idea of quaily on friday rather than practice would be good. gona miss the whole w/c but roll on the next gp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 As for Woffinden, I can't quite understand why he wouldn't take it on next year. He's ambitious and has been around at the top level long enough to give it a crack now. Think Tai has been honest about his ambitions. He has said he wants a good season behind him before commiting. He also said on SKY/Twitter that he should be wild-carded to Cardiff instead of having to qualify via the British Final, He has a good point. Who else uses this way of wild carding?? I believe he also said if Bomber cant do it in the GP`s let him have a go! I know he started the season saying he wanted to qualify by right. However if he comes back well from his injury and finishes the season well i think he would think twice if offered a GP spot next season. I mean, the thoughts of Vaculik, ward, MJ Jensen, Tai possibly being pit forward it looks quite exciting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Think Tai has been honest about his ambitions. He has said he wants a good season behind him before commiting. He also said on SKY/Twitter that he should be wild-carded to Cardiff instead of having to qualify via the British Final, He has a good point. Who else uses this way of wild carding?? I believe he also said if Bomber cant do it in the GP`s let him have a go! I know he started the season saying he wanted to qualify by right. However if he comes back well from his injury and finishes the season well i think he would think twice if offered a GP spot next season. I mean, the thoughts of Vaculik, ward, MJ Jensen, Tai possibly being pit forward it looks quite exciting! Why should he be seeded to the wild-card at Cardiff ? What about Nicholls,Barker King etc.If Tai doesn`t win or finish 2nd to Harris on his home track then in my opinion he doesn`t deserve to be there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Why should he be seeded to the wild-card at Cardiff ? What about Nicholls,Barker King etc.If Tai doesn`t win or finish 2nd to Harris on his home track then in my opinion he doesn`t deserve to be there. Like Steve says, no other country uses this system of wild carding. It's down to IMG at the end of the day, they've obviously okayed it but the last two years I would rather have seen Barker or Tai get the wild card than Nicholls as he was always going to struggle and has had plenty of chances in the GP. Personally I don't want to see Nicholls in it yet again scratching for points but no doubt he will be. Let's give the young lads something to aim for. Edited June 25, 2012 by ImpartialOne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Like Steve says, no other country uses this system of wild carding. It's down to IMG at the end of the day, they've obviously okayed it but the last two years I would rather have seen Barker or Tai get the wild card than Nicholls as he was always going to struggle and has had plenty of chances in the GP. Personally I don't want to see Nicholls in it yet again scratching for points but no doubt he will be. Let's give the young lads something to aim for. Then they had better beat him at Wolves on July 30th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Then they had better beat him at Wolves on July 30th. Well yes they better had because that's the system. But it needn't be the system. Nicholls is a big fish in a small pond that's all. But his qualification is wasted on him. He's had his day now in GPs, let's give the kids a chance like we used to. Who do the Poles nominate? Protesiewicz or Zmarzlik? Would the Danes nominate Bjarne Pedersen or Mikkel B. Jensen? We want to see new blood not dried up old clots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Yes but it does at least mean a 'form' rider goes to Cardiff. I do kind of see where you're coming from but I do also like the fact that the Wild Card slot makes the British Final a bit more worthwhile again. Man I used to love those British Finals in 80s/90s at a packed Brandon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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