SimonB Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 track was dreadful and for a big event in the NL the presentation was poor at best .on the racing side mildenhall had the benefit of the referee on their side but hey ho congratulations to the fen tigers #hitmenpower To be fair Dean you didn't turn left....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Er, that wasn't my point. The posting was nothing to do with RH. He posted a purely negative comment about another NL club (Dudley) - bad enough that anyone wants to make such an inane comment but especially so in the case of someone who admits to have no interest in the NL: why make such a spurious posting..? Where did he say he has no interest in the NL? He said he doesn't watch the NL because he cannot afford to do so. Don't let facts get in your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Just struck me I didn't post my congratulations to Mildenhall. Mildenhall were by far the best team on the day/night (by the time it finished ) and fully deserved the win. I can't say what I would like to about the meeting as I would have to ban myself. Dreadful surface that clearly hadn't been worked on until close to the start. The inside was like a sticky pudding that they were trying to dry out. Meanwhile the tractor and wonder wheel going around was kicking up clouds of dust on the outside so that had to be watered. It was a long and drawn-out affair with pretty much no redeeming features whatsoever. And worst of all - when a rider is posting a picture on Twitter of a piece of metal he found on the track then there is something very very wrong indeed!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Er, that wasn't my point. The posting was nothing to do with RH. He posted a purely negative comment about another NL club (Dudley) - bad enough that anyone wants to make such an inane comment but especially so in the case of someone who admits to have no interest in the NL: why make such a spurious posting..? Because I felt like it. I didn't know we had to send our posts to you for moderation before they were allowed on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 To be fair Dean you didn't turn left....... that depends how you interpret the incident , i say joe run into the back of me but seriously it should of been all 4 back ,the track was awfull and was the cause of me going straight on but the ref wasnt having it , that wasnt the actual incident i was talking about though i was on about heat 6 of the final when nielsen looped at start and was allowed back in rerun , he should of been excluded but the ref in his wisdom said he stopped the race before he looped but hey ho he made his decision and that was that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 May I comment on riders pay rates and expenses please? Very few vans will be cheap to insure if a young rider or his young mechanic is driving it. Diesel locally to me costs around £1.39 per litre or £6.32 per gallon. If a rider is travelling for example 300 miles round trip in an average sized van, particularly with a young driver, he will be very lucky to exceed 40mpg. (yes I know you all have vans that do 197mpg, but I run a small fleet of mixed vans and rarely get much above 37mpg) That means the fuel will cost around £47 at 300 miles travelling, but the rider may only get £30 expenses, so he is £17 in the hole before unloading the bike disregarding insurance, wear and tear and excise license on the van. A tyre is £42, methanol £6.50 per gallon perhaps, oil may cost £10 per meeting, engine strips at 40 races for maybe £250 plus parts and the rider may well ony get £10 per point. Work it out for yourselves, NL riders at the bottom end of the points spectrum are not making anything, just the opposite. Before we get the old chestnut about apprentices getting low wages, they don't actually pay to be at work do they? Now consider where your entrance fee actually goes, in the case of the 4TT it certainly did not go on days of track preparation, it didn't go on buying too many burgers or hotdog sausages or chocolate because they ran out of those. Under no circumstances does it go on hospitality training at Stoke as spectators are treated by the promotion as a very unwelcome nuisance there. Yes, I am a Stoke fan, but it wears very, very thin. i brought a tyre ,i gallon of fuel and chain spray £57 and put in around £20 diesel to get there i got £60 for points and travel and we finished 2nd but i dont really care about the money , i just wanted the NL to shine and supporters to enjoy the racing and love their NL experience ,on a personal level i really thought this was an important big meeting for the NL and was really looking forward to it , but to turn up and see our pit place marked with a badly written piece of cardboard and the track in such a state ,it was obvious that it was not a big event in some peoples eyes , my other half said if buxton hadnt of qualified for the final she would of left the meeting it was that dull ,and before malcom comes on here and slates me for having a go at stoke even you malcom can see this is not good enough 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 I have to agree dean it was an awful meeting and not the event that it should of been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travertine Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) That's it then - Buxton should be the venue for next year's NL fours! Edited August 29, 2012 by Travertine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) ii just wanted the NL to shine and supporters to enjoy the racing and love their NL experience ,on a personal level i really thought this was an important big meeting for the NL and was really looking forward to it , but to turn up and see our pit place marked with a badly written piece of cardboard and the track in such a state ,it was obvious that it was not a big event in some peoples eyes , my other half said if buxton hadnt of qualified for the final she would of left the meeting it was that dull ,and before malcom comes on here and slates me for having a go at stoke even you malcom can see this is not good enough Said with a lot of pride and passion, Dean, and I absolutely agree. The NL can be a superb product when done properly and the big meetings (pairs, fours & NLRC) are a real opportunity to show case just how good it really is. When fans turn up to a shambles like that on Sunday it not only reflects on the home promotion but also on speedway's third tier as a whole. I have been to around 130 matches in the last two seasons and I have never seen a track like that one. Its undoubtedly the case that the weather does affect track conditions and that promotions can't help the fact that it is windy, dry, wet or otherwise but they can do their absolute best to ensure that the surface is as good as it can be in the circumstances. I don't think Stoke did that. As someone nearly as passionate about the sport as you are, such a lack of care and effort leaves me exasperated, angry and disillusioned. That's it then - Buxton should be the venue for next year's NL fours! As long as it isn't at Stoke. I happen to believe that big meetings are earned, not given. Do a good job (pairs at Mildenhall springs to mind) and you get it back, do a crap one and you don't. Edited August 29, 2012 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 As long as it isn't at Stoke. I happen to believe that big meetings are earned, not given. Do a good job (pairs at Mildenhall springs to mind) and you get it back, do a crap one and you don't. I may well have gone on Sunday had the meeting been elsewhere. Stoke is a turn-off. I want to see proper speedway. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubby Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Halifaxtiger what is wrong with scunthorpe please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) A shame Mildenhall's excellent victory is being overshadowed! Edited August 29, 2012 by PhilK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Halifaxtiger what is wrong with scunthorpe please explain. Absolutely nothing. Would be a first class choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 i rode in the wpa trophy individual at the iow a few weeks ago, it was a nothing meeting really but the promotion that went in to the meeting was top notch, the sponsors were treated amazing and all their staff were introduced to the riders before the meeting in the bar (and we were happy to oblige)and fans and riders are made to feel very welcome by the staff and the meetings run smoothly and imo set a good example for others to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 that depends how you interpret the incident , i say joe run into the back of me but seriously it should of been all 4 back ,the track was awfull and was the cause of me going straight on but the ref wasnt having it , that wasnt the actual incident i was talking about though i was on about heat 6 of the final when nielsen looped at start and was allowed back in rerun , he should of been excluded but the ref in his wisdom said he stopped the race before he looped but hey ho he made his decision and that was that We were told that the reds were on before Neilsen looped Dean, as Liam (I think) wasn't still at the start. This is another thing that robs spectators of enjoyment and damages riders pockets, if a rider anticipates the start, making a monkey out of the ref but not hitting the tapes, that isn't a good reason to stop the race. The referee is there to start the race, not find interesting ways to stop it! Scunthorpe would have been a good venue for that meeting, the Stoke track was rubbish for last years 4TT as well as this years. Look at old video's of Stoke and you will see that it hasn't always been the case, it was, not too long ago, one of the fairest tracks in Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubby Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Absolutely nothing. Would be a first class choice. Then whats the post about even though dudleys track isnt there own its better than scunthorpe or rye house?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Dean lost money getting to the final,all right he was not to bothered about the money but most would be,imagine what the lads who did not get to the final lost ,,,the format of this meeting is no good to over half the riders.. (Might be ok for the fans ) It needs 2 qualifying regional meetings of 4 teams,, top 2 to the final at a decent neutral track with 4 rides for all riders in the event of injury the lowest average rider in a team to take the rides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 A shame Mildenhall's excellent victory is being overshadowed! I agree,a fine win for Mildenhall i wasnt there at the meeting so shouldnt comment on the track,but you sometimes have to consider the weather in the days running up to this event,was it wet?,heavy rain?? if they havnt had decent weather/time to prepare the surface its tough to blame it on the track 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmuffe Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 A shame Mildenhall's excellent victory is being overshadowed! You shouldnt be surprised at the ongoings at Loony Road should you. Good job wasn't an evening meeting cos you wouldnt have won then but the circumstances would have generated another long thread.............duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Then whats the post about even though dudleys track isnt there own its better than scunthorpe or rye house?. He's on about Stoke, where this meeting was held? And Wolverhampton is not better than Scunthorpe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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