stratton Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) Was going through my books and programmes,and out of the four nations i picked England,New Zealand,Sweden,Usa are these the top five in some peoples opinion?England 1.Craven 2.Lee 3.Collins 4.Farndon 5.Parker New Zealand. 1.Briggs 2.Moore 3.Mauger 4.Shirra 5.Ross Sweden 1.Fundin 2.Michanek 3.Rickardsson 4.Knutsson 5.T.Jansson Usa 1.Penhall 2.Hancock 3.Milne 4.Autrey 5.Ermolenko. Edited June 2, 2012 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) Cant really comment sid as never saw Farndon and Parker, but early 6os onwards would say Craven Collins Lee Loram with any from Carter Morton Louis Simmons Boococks Jessup Ashby Betts Wilson...would put Mauger above Briggo,and Rickardsson and Knutsson above Michanek. Morans and Schwarz might get into top 5 for USA. Who would you rate as top 5 Aussies, Danes, Poles, Russians? Edited June 2, 2012 by cockney robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 How about Geoff Mardon as one of the kiwis instead of Ross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 From my generation (1968) Â 1. Ole Olsen 2. Ivan Mauger 3. Hans Nielsen 4. Bruce Penhall 5. Sam Ermolenko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) How about Geoff Mardon as one of the kiwis instead of Ross Good call BOBBATH i wasnt a fan of Ross but was top class for Wimbledon though. Cant really comment sid as never saw Farndon and Parker, but early 6os onwards would say Craven Collins Lee Loram with any from Carter Morton Louis Simmons Boococks Jessup Ashby Betts Wilson...would put Mauger above Briggo,and Rickardsson and Knutsson above Michanek. Morans and Schwarz might get into top 5 for USA. Who would you rate as top 5 Aussies, Danes, Poles, Russians? Really interesting as people will all have different views Cockney, Australia. 1.JCrump 2.Sanders 3. J Young 4.P.Crump 5.Ward/Holder who both might yet aclipse some of those named. Denmark .1.Olsen 2.Gundersen 3.Nielsen 4.Pedersen 5.Knudsen the Russians i wouldnt like to say Plechanov i never did see ride but would say he is the no 1.Poland 1.Gollob 2.Plech(AT HIS BEST a close 2nd 3.Jancarz very classy. Edited June 2, 2012 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 I reckon the three top Russians would be Plechanov, Samorodov and Kurilenko in that order.Poles-Gollob, Plech, Jancarz then Woryna and Rembas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) Top Russians for me would be Igor Plechanov, Boris Samorodov and Gregori Chlynovski. Â I would also put Greg Hancock ahead of Bruce Penhall and Sam Ermolenko for the Americans. That would be my trio of top Yanks. Edited June 3, 2012 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 Top Aussies Ward and Holder could overtake Jason Crump and Adams soon. Would put Nielsen as top Dane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 On second thougts would replace Rembas with Waloszek-Pogo and Wyglenda also rate honorable mentions. Agree with whiteknight- should have put Chlynovski in Russians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 On second thougts would replace Rembas with Waloszek-Pogo and Wyglenda also rate honorable mentions. Agree with whiteknight- should have put Chlynovski in Russians. Agree with you and TWK Khlynovski was a top class rider also i feel Trofimov was very decent.He beat Michanek in 1975 and ruined his title chances(Anders scored 13 pts) also the Gordeev brothers i see in touring teams were very good. Top Aussies Ward and Holder could overtake Jason Crump and Adams soon. Would put Nielsen as top Dane. Sorry Cockney Ole in front of Hans ? very close though also Gundersen generally had Nielsen,s number. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) i wasnt a fan of Ross but was top class for Wimbledon though. Â Â wash your mouth out Sidney! He was class for the Aces too. Holds the record for most NZ national titles, top scored in NZ's only WTC triumph, 3rd in the BLRC in 1980, and spearheaded the Aces 1982 BL title winning team - he has to be in the top5! Â My lists: Â NZ 1 Mauger 2. Briggs 3. Moore 4. Shirra 5. Ross England 1. Peter Collins 2. Craven 3. Lee 4. Parker 5. Loram Australia 1 J Crump 2. J Young 3. Adams 4. V Duggan 5. Sanders Would expect both Holder and Ward to make this list by the end of the decade Denmark 1 Nielsen 2 Olsen 3 Gundersen 4 N Pedersen 5 Jan O Pedersen USA 1 Penhall 2 Hancock 3 Hamil 4 Milne 5 Ermolenko (Autry and S Moran just missing out) Sweden 1 Fundin 2 Rickardsson 3 Michanek 4 Knutsson 5 P Jonsson Poland 1 Gollob 2 Hampel 3 Plech 4 Jancarz 5 Woryna Russia 1 Plechanov 2 Emil 3 Samorodov 4 kurilenko 5 Chlynovski Edited June 5, 2012 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) Not merely based on facts or figure but from watching as well....so basically an opinion based on all 3 although some are based on word of mouth from elders naturally! p.s im cheating a bit by stretching it to my top 10 each country!  AUS. Vic Huxley 2.Vic Duggan 3. Jack Young. Bluey Wilkinson. 5.Jason Crump 6.Billy Sanders 7.Leigh Adams 8.Ken Le Breton. 9.Darcy Ward. 10.Phil Crump  ENG. 1.Peter Craven. 2.Tom Farndon. 3.Peter Collins. 4. Mike Lee. 5.Jack Parker. 6.Mark Loram. 7.Kenny Carter. 8.Ray Wilson. 9.Eric Boocock. 10.M.Ashby  SWEDEN. 1.Ove Fundin.1.Tony Rickardsson .3.Anders Michanek .4.Per Jonsson .5. Bjorn Knutsson. 6.Andreas Jonsson .7.Jimmy Nilsen .8.Soren Sjosten. 9.Henrik Gustafsson. 10.Tommy Jansson(if only)  DENMARK. 1.Ole Olsen. 2. Erik Gundersen. 3. Hans Nielsen. 4. Nicki Pedersen. 5. Jan O Pedersen. 6. Tommy Knudsen. 7. Morian Hansen. 8. Hans Andersen. 9. Bo Petersen. 10. any one of Bjerre Bjarne Niels!  POLAND.1.Tomasz Gollob. 2.Zenon Plech. 3. Jaroslaw Hampel.4. Edward Jancarz.5. Jerzy Rembas. 6. Roman Jankowski. 7.Antoni Woryna. 8.Pawel Waloszek 9. Alfred Smoczyk. 10. Andrzej Wyglenda  NEW ZEALAND. 1.Barry Briggs .2.Ivan Mauger. 3.Ronnie Moore. 4. Geoff Mardon.5. Mitch Shirra. 6.Larry Ross. 7. Trevor Redmond. 8.Ron Johnston. 9. Bruce Cribb. 10. Jason Bunyan!(NZ titles galore)  USA. 1. Bruce Penhall. 2.Scott Autrey.3. Greg Hancock/Billy Hamill 4. Dennis Sigalos. 5.Kelly Moran/Shawn Moran.6. Lance King. 7.Jack Milne. 8.Sam Ermolenko. 9. Ron Preston/Bobby Schwartz (cant split Ron was technically superb Boogooloo an amazing team rider) 10. John Cook but special mention to Mike Bast and Alan Christian who if been willing and able to compete on British and world stage could have eclipsed the aforementioned!! Admittadly many liberties taken on this nation!  R.O.W. 1.Egon Muller (dont laugh this guy was brilliant on 2 wheels). 2.Rune Holta. 3. Matej Zagar. 4. Ila Teromaa. 5. Reider Eide. 6. Freddie Williams. 7. Toni Kasper. 8. Eric Chitty. 9. Dag Lovaas. 10. Lars Gunnestad.  U.S.S.R. 1. Boris Samorodov. Igor Plechanov. 3. Grigory Chlinovski. 4. Emil Sayfutdivov. 5. Vladimir Gordeev. 6. Valeri Gordeev. 8. Gigory Laguta. 9. Gennady Kurilenko.10. Gabdrakhman Kadirov Could all change later!  Actually changed within 2 minutes lol Edited June 5, 2012 by hagonshocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted June 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Not merely based on facts or figure but from watching as well....so basically an opinion based on all 3 although some are based on word of mouth from elders naturally! p.s im cheating a bit by stretching it to my top 10 each country!  AUS. Vic Huxley 2.Vic Duggan 3. Jack Young. Bluey Wilkinson. 5.Jason Crump 6.Billy Sanders 7.Leigh Adams 8.Ken Le Breton. 9.Darcy Ward. 10.Phil Crump  ENG. 1.Peter Craven. 2.Tom Farndon. 3.Peter Collins. 4. Mike Lee. 5.Jack Parker. 6.Mark Loram. 7.Kenny Carter. 8.Ray Wilson. 9.Eric Boocock. 10.M.Ashby  SWEDEN. 1.Ove Fundin.1.Tony Rickardsson .3.Anders Michanek .4.Per Jonsson .5. Bjorn Knutsson. 6.Andreas Jonsson .7.Jimmy Nilsen .8.Soren Sjosten. 9.Henrik Gustafsson. 10.Tommy Jansson(if only)  DENMARK. 1.Ole Olsen. 2. Erik Gundersen. 3. Hans Nielsen. 4. Nicki Pedersen. 5. Jan O Pedersen. 6. Tommy Knudsen. 7. Morian Hansen. 8. Hans Andersen. 9. Bo Petersen. 10. any one of Bjerre Bjarne Niels!  POLAND.1.Tomasz Gollob. 2.Zenon Plech. 3. Jaroslaw Hampel.4. Edward Jancarz.5. Jerzy Rembas. 6. Roman Jankowski. 7.Antoni Woryna. 8.Pawel Waloszek 9. Alfred Smoczyk. 10. Andrzej Wyglenda  NEW ZEALAND. 1.Barry Briggs .2.Ivan Mauger. 3.Ronnie Moore. 4. Geoff Mardon.5. Mitch Shirra. 6.Larry Ross. 7. Trevor Redmond. 8.Ron Johnston. 9. Bruce Cribb. 10. Jason Bunyan!(NZ titles galore)  USA. 1. Bruce Penhall. 2.Scott Autrey.3. Greg Hancock/Billy Hamill 4. Dennis Sigalos. 5.Kelly Moran/Shawn Moran.6. Lance King. 7.Jack Milne. 8.Sam Ermolenko. 9. Ron Preston/Bobby Schwartz (cant split Ron was technically superb Boogooloo an amazing team rider) 10. John Cook but special mention to Mike Bast and Alan Christian who if been willing and able to compete on British and world stage could have eclipsed the aforementioned!! Admittadly many liberties taken on this nation!  R.O.W. 1.Egon Muller (dont laugh this guy was brilliant on 2 wheels). 2.Rune Holta. 3. Matej Zagar. 4. Ila Teromaa. 5. Reider Eide. 6. Freddie Williams. 7. Toni Kasper. 8. Eric Chitty. 9. Dag Lovaas. 10. Lars Gunnestad.  U.S.S.R. 1. Boris Samorodov. Igor Plechanov. 3. Grigory Chlinovski. 4. Emil Sayfutdivov. 5. Vladimir Gordeev. 6. Valeri Gordeev. 8. Gigory Laguta. 9. Gennady Kurilenko.10. Gabdrakhman Kadirov Could all change later!  Actually changed within 2 minutes lol Great shout Shocker most i would agree with i left Huxley and Duggan out purely because time wasnt kind to them.Would have PCrump higher than no 10 also Boulger and Airey would be in my top 10.And Arne Pander would be in my top 10 danes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Good call on Pander! Did overlook him....substitute the boring joint 10th Danes and include Arne the original danish superstar....as for Boulger he would go in the top 10 if i went by in my lifetime only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Interested on the reasoning for j trump being so low on realist of auspices as I'd say he has to be one of the top 10 of all time for all nations. also wonder why Hans only 3rd on your list of danes? agree on muller, an incredibly talented rider, who had he raced regularly in Britain and/or concentrated on speedway would have achieved much more and no doubt be far more respected. I was there in norden when he cleaned up, but look also at the riders he finished ahead of at Wembley in 81 - he was a very very good rider. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 This is a great thread everybody's comments are interesting-here is my two cents. While indeed Trofimov put Michanek in third place in the critical heat with Olsen in 1975 World Final(I wuz there ref.!!!!)-he still ended up with only 8 pts. Not knocking it , just commenting -as regards the 2 Gordeevs(also great) could never figure out who was who-god bless 'em. Great to see Kadirov's name mentioned-is he still with us?? How about somebody taking a shot at the top 5 CANADIAN riders.Are you there Tiger Tom-clearly Eric Chitty is #1-perhaps Jimmy Gibb #2. Can't think of many others-wait a minute -Shane Legault, Mike Tims(R.I.P.)- Dave Dodd- should Stan Bradbury get a mantion-after all he is now a Canuck like me........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Great shout Shocker most i would agree with i left Huxley and Duggan out purely because time wasnt kind to them.Would have PCrump higher than no 10 also Boulger and Airey would be in my top 10.And Arne Pander would be in my top 10 danes. Â I had forgotten Jim Airey - he would HAVE to be in the Top Ten Aussies. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) Not merely based on facts or figure but from watching as well....so basically an opinion based on all 3 although some are based on word of mouth from elders naturally! p.s im cheating a bit by stretching it to my top 10 each country!  AUS. Vic Huxley 2.Vic Duggan 3. Jack Young. Bluey Wilkinson. 5.Jason Crump 6.Billy Sanders 7.Leigh Adams 8.Ken Le Breton. 9.Darcy Ward. 10.Phil Crump  ENG. 1.Peter Craven. 2.Tom Farndon. 3.Peter Collins. 4. Mike Lee. 5.Jack Parker. 6.Mark Loram. 7.Kenny Carter. 8.Ray Wilson. 9.Eric Boocock. 10.M.Ashby  SWEDEN. 1.Ove Fundin.1.Tony Rickardsson .3.Anders Michanek .4.Per Jonsson .5. Bjorn Knutsson. 6.Andreas Jonsson .7.Jimmy Nilsen .8.Soren Sjosten. 9.Henrik Gustafsson. 10.Tommy Jansson(if only)  DENMARK. 1.Ole Olsen. 2. Erik Gundersen. 3. Hans Nielsen. 4. Nicki Pedersen. 5. Jan O Pedersen. 6. Tommy Knudsen. 7. Morian Hansen. 8. Hans Andersen. 9. Bo Petersen. 10. any one of Bjerre Bjarne Niels!  POLAND.1.Tomasz Gollob. 2.Zenon Plech. 3. Jaroslaw Hampel.4. Edward Jancarz.5. Jerzy Rembas. 6. Roman Jankowski. 7.Antoni Woryna. 8.Pawel Waloszek 9. Alfred Smoczyk. 10. Andrzej Wyglenda  NEW ZEALAND. 1.Barry Briggs .2.Ivan Mauger. 3.Ronnie Moore. 4. Geoff Mardon.5. Mitch Shirra. 6.Larry Ross. 7. Trevor Redmond. 8.Ron Johnston. 9. Bruce Cribb. 10. Jason Bunyan!(NZ titles galore)  USA. 1. Bruce Penhall. 2.Scott Autrey.3. Greg Hancock/Billy Hamill 4. Dennis Sigalos. 5.Kelly Moran/Shawn Moran.6. Lance King. 7.Jack Milne. 8.Sam Ermolenko. 9. Ron Preston/Bobby Schwartz (cant split Ron was technically superb Boogooloo an amazing team rider) 10. John Cook but special mention to Mike Bast and Alan Christian who if been willing and able to compete on British and world stage could have eclipsed the aforementioned!! Admittadly many liberties taken on this nation!  R.O.W. 1.Egon Muller (dont laugh this guy was brilliant on 2 wheels). 2.Rune Holta. 3. Matej Zagar. 4. Ila Teromaa. 5. Reider Eide. 6. Freddie Williams. 7. Toni Kasper. 8. Eric Chitty. 9. Dag Lovaas. 10. Lars Gunnestad.  U.S.S.R. 1. Boris Samorodov. Igor Plechanov. 3. Grigory Chlinovski. 4. Emil Sayfutdivov. 5. Vladimir Gordeev. 6. Valeri Gordeev. 8. Gigory Laguta. 9. Gennady Kurilenko.10. Gabdrakhman Kadirov Could all change later!  Actually changed within 2 minutes lol  Great post Omissions : England - Nigel Boocock, Ray Wilson (both ahead of Martin Ashby?) Australia - Jack Biggs ROW - Sverre Harrfeldt Sweden - Gote Nordin Edited June 6, 2012 by Midland Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Personally, I'd be tempted to include Simmons and the Mighty Mort in the English top 10 - Jessup and Havelock must come close too. For the Swedes, possibly Bernt Persson and Jan ANdersson worthy of consideration (ahead of Sjosten and Gustaffson?) ROW - Kai Neime? The Americans - Havelock/Hamil very hard to separate, arguably Hamil a better rider at his peak, but Hancock has the better longevity and an extra world title - that would probably see him edge it for me. Shawn would have to rank higher than Kelly for me - missed out on the world title only by a run off, won countless major WC qualifying meetings, was the best poerformer for the USA in internationals over the course of the 80s, and under a GP system would have been in the mix for the title on a number of occasions. Kelly tbh never achieved anywhere near what his ability could have allowed him to. Boogaloo would have to be ahead of Preson for me (unless it was round Hyde Rd where he was awful!) - two World Pairs titles, a mainstay of the US 80s test side, a top BL performer for the first half of the 80s - arguably the best rider never to make a World Final? Also - if you have Jack Milne, you possibly need to also have Cordy in the top 10 as well? The Aussies - peopel pushing for inclusion of Airey, Boulger and Biggs - but who do you leave out to accomodate them - Sidney would have a fit if you left out Crump senior! And I really don't think Gundersen can rank ahead of Nielsen - Hans had a better record in World Finals, qualifiers, internationals, BL, BLRC , not to mention how many titles he would have won under a GP system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Airey was better than Crump senior. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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