Polish League Plan For 2013

[racers and royals]

interview here with Ryszard Kowalski about 2013 http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/289239/to-nadal-bedzie-najlepiej-oplacana-liga-swiata-rozmowa-z-ryszardem-kowalski-prez

 

My translation is pretty pathetic-can anyone post a decent one

[iris123]

My translation is pretty pathetic-can anyone post a decent one

Brandonbee need not apply for that job then :rofl:

Some of it seems iffy....but they have dropped the limit on GP riders.The rule about each rider from one team has to have the same sponsors on his kevlars/bike seems very strange?Wonder if someone can expand on that one?Polskizuzel or Pawel?Not sure why they feel it is neccesary that all riders look exactly the same.......

Edited June 1, 2012 by iris123

[Pirate Nick]

 

Brandonbee need not apply for that job then :rofl:

Some of it seems iffy....but they have dropped the limit on GP riders.The rule about each rider from one team has to have the same sponsors on his kevlars/bike seems very strange?Wonder if someone can expand on that one?Polskizuzel or Pawel?Not sure why they feel it is neccesary that all riders look exactly the same.......

I think it means that riders individual sponsors will only be allowed on the bike covers.

[iris123]

I think it means that riders individual sponsors will only be allowed on the bike covers.

But you would have thought individual sponsors get a good bit of exposure from the riders being interviewed .Ok if you are sponsored by a drinks firm and you can hold a can up in front of the camera,but if you are sponsored by Dansk Metal are you going to hold an iron bar? or by an auto company,a little corgi version?

[racers and royals]

Did it say something about the points limit ? and riders earnings ?

[Pirate Nick]

Did it say something about the points limit ? and riders earnings ?

 

Points limit down to 39 with a minimum team average of 31. I think the teams will be allowed to spend a max of 4.5m pz on their team building and riders will be paid according to their final CDMA from the previous season.

 

Ciegelski is quoted elsewhere saying the riders won't have it and talking about them refusing to race.

 

Should be an interesting year for the poles!

[HenryW]

Did it say something about the points limit ? and riders earnings ?

There was an article earlier in the week detailing the proposed pay grades based on averages and giving examples of what that would equate to for rider pay, including the breakdown of what least season's champions Zielona Gora would have paid out had this structure been in place.

 

Basically they would have paid 3,928,300zl. The club with the lowest budget for 2012 is Czestochowa and they are at 6million zl for the season. Zielona Gora's budget for this season is 10million zl. So a massive reduction in rider pay if this actually comes off.

 

http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/288721/ile-zarobia-zuzlowcy-w-sezonie-2013

[JCookie]

Another winter of complaining and threat of strikes in Poland.

[uk_martin]

Points limit down to 39 with a minimum team average of 31.

 

39 sounds very limited until you bear in mind that the reserves are 2 x 2.5, leaving 34 to be spread around the other 5 places. What's with the minimum 31 points limit though? Which clubs would field a 31-point aggregate average team?

 

I think the teams will be allowed to spend a max of 4.5m pz on their team building...

 

I would think that implimenting this is going to make Greek austerity plans sound like a walk in the park. If the Stal Gorzow budget for 2012 that I was told about is anything to go by, and if that's typical of other clubs, then this is going to be drastic with a capital D-R-A-S-T-I-C.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

39 sounds very limited until you bear in mind that the reserves are 2 x 2.5, leaving 34 to be spread around the other 5 places. What's with the minimum 31 points limit though? Which clubs would field a 31-point aggregate average team?

 

 

 

I would think that implimenting this is going to make Greek austerity plans sound like a walk in the park. If the Stal Gorzow budget for 2012 that I was told about is anything to go by, and if that's typical of other clubs, then this is going to be drastic with a capital D-R-A-S-T-I-C.

If these cuts happen will we all of sudden see the return of popularity for racing in Britain!!

[Ghostwalker]

If these cuts happen will we all of sudden see the return of popularity for racing in Britain!!

 

maybe but i think that many riders still thinks that its to many days of racing in Britain.

Also i dont think that riders will get that much less pay since i assume that the sponsors will put take a larger part

of their sponsor funding to sponsor the teams riders, rather then sponsor the team.

 

So if a sponsor have 100'000 that he/she use for sponsoring. I think that instead of paying 75% to the teams and

25% to the riders. The sponsor will now pay 75% to the riders and 25% to the team.

 

The teams appears to have less rider wages but also have less income.

 

Just look at some of the Swedish Elitserien teams, like Vetlanda, Dackarna, Piraterna & Indianerna.

Then tell me if you believe that they spend only 260'000 pound this season on rider wages, which is the salary cap for Elitserien.

[iris123]

maybe but i think that many riders still thinks that its to many days of racing in Britain.

Also i dont think that riders will get that much less pay since i assume that the sponsors will put take a larger part

of their sponsor funding to sponsor the teams riders, rather then sponsor the team.

 

So if a sponsor have 100'000 that he/she use for sponsoring. I think that instead of paying 75% to the teams and

25% to the riders. The sponsor will now pay 75% to the riders and 25% to the team.

 

The teams appears to have less rider wages but also have less income.

 

Just look at some of the Swedish Elitserien teams, like Vetlanda, Dackarna, Piraterna & Indianerna.

Then tell me if you believe that they spend only 260'000 pound this season on rider wages, which is the salary cap for Elitserien.

Yes,that is why i said some things sound "iffy".Hard to police and easy to get round.That is why i wouldn't concentrate on the financial side but the other regulations here.You will still miraculously find the top teams still attracting the best riders......

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

So basically a token financial cap,a bit of posturing and moaning from the various parties and then it all carries on pretty much as normal!!

[severnsider]

See Emil is quoted as saying won't ride in Poland next year under the regulations and that others won't either so the posturing is gathering pace

[iris123]

So basically a token financial cap,a bit of posturing and moaning from the various parties and then it all carries on pretty much as normal!!

Well a German journalist has criticised the plans.He doubts any of the clubs will have transparency of finances or that they won't hand over a packed brown envelope to the riders that they want

http://www.speedweek.de/art_26275.html

 

I also was talking to him last night about the fairly uneven draws for the GP qualifiers,where one or two are much harder than others.Unbelievably stronger line-ups.Well i wait for him to put that one online......

[racers and royals]

posted today on the extraleague website (google translation)

 

On 06/23/2012 in Gorzow was a meeting of the Shareholders passed by Extraliga Slag Ltd. statutory changes to the 2013 season. From the players in a meeting attended by Krzysztof Cegielski and Rafal Dobrucki, by members of the General Meeting of Wojciech Stępniewski, Irenaeus Igielski, Maciej nightmare and CEO Richard Smith and Peter Szymanski President GKSŻ. At the meeting, presents the positions of parties on the proposed changes and conducted a discussion that has taken place in a substantive and constructive atmosphere. After the discussion, representatives of the speedway proposed curricula, which will be presented to the shareholders of the company at the shareholders meeting on 06.27.2012

Edited June 23, 2012 by racers and royals

[hans fan]

how many polish clubs actualy pay there riders ???

[brandonbee48]

how many polish clubs actualy pay there riders ???

 

In any league, if a rider hasn't been paid, it doesn't take long for it to come out. In this day of Twitter, Facebook the BSF , someone, somewhere would put it out. There have been no murmurings that i have seen this season regarding Poland or anywhere. Why do you raise the issue? Have you any information to share?

Regards. Alan.

[racers and royals]

Interview with rider`s rep krzysztof Cegielski on Sportowfakty which is Google translated-trouble ahead i fear.

 

Jaroslaw Galewski: How do you react to the provisions of Extraleague Speedway, which was held in Warsaw on Wednesday about the Financial Regulations?

Krzysztof Cegielski: On the one hand I was surprised, since the meeting last Saturday in Gorzow gave a chance for a compromise on the issues of the Rules. It was a meeting at which the conversation took place with the originators of the Rules of evolutionary ideas to the formulation of a rational function Enea Extraleague Speedway in subsequent years. In Warsaw, however, quite another man gave the card and the result is also quite different than I could have hoped. On the other hand, yesterday's order does not surprise me, because the people who voted for such regulations did not want to lower the rates of competitors, these people are very determined to Poland has never been a slag at current levels. They did exactly what they wanted. Congratulations.Applied even more restrictions

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JG Limit spending the season in 2013 is expected to be 3 million, not 4.5 as previously assumed. Discounts will also be the amount that players had to receive a point, according to KSM for season 2012. The amounts were reduced by about 30-40 percent. What do you think will lead this situation?

 

KC It is not about 3 or 4.5 million. The point is that in a way unparalleled in any other discipline rules limited the freedom of negotiations and talks about his salary. I would like to clarify, because many people do not understand how the speedway rider in the sport. Every professional athlete practicing this sport has its own business and performs a service to the club. To conduct these activities must employ mechanics, buy a car for transporting motorcycles, motorbikes and must purchase all the equipment on which is performing a service to the club. It must also be insured, pay for hotels, travel and other expenses incurred throughout the current season. A player is not an employee of the club. If the club during a conversation with a player does not fit the proposed conditions of service, it just does not have a club match. If a player wants to get paid too much, it simply will not find any club job. Given this very low limit on the team and the inability to complement the player's budget through individual contracts with sponsors come to the fact that players will surely be wondering about the continuing need to drive in the Polish league

 

JG .As you can see, the voice of the players, which you represent, is not taken into account by the Liga. What action will you take on behalf of the players in the near future?

 

KC Inform the players about the situation and, like so Extraleague Speedway partners and competitors will give a clear message about their actions. This will be the position of not a few players, not just the best, but just all the competitors in Polish league.

 

JG Had the players can freely dispose of advertising spaces, have gone to make concessions?

 

KC We wanted to maintain the current condition, or one in which the clubs have exclusivity for the entire ad space, but the players in the interviews re-purchased or received from the clubs, some advertising space for individual sponsors. I think some were jealous of the players that are able to sign contracts with larger companies than the club, and the movement of a total ban on signing individual contracts will drain money, because I do not think that all sponsors of the players were interested Flipped the money to the club . I think if we lose by changing the rules on the market in speedway even one penny, I think these changes are wrong. It is at this point to raise the controversial issue of sponsorship of clubs or players by state-owned company. I have read on this issue so much falsehood and misunderstanding that hard to believe it. Circulates in the minds of many erroneous stereotype that State-owned companies tend to slag our money, taxpayers. These companies generate profit after themselves and spend money to profit in various ways. Some go in the opposite direction from everyone it seems, that is, through the payment of dividend money will go to the State budget, and part of the sponsorship m.in.na slag. We need to puff and blow, that these companies keep the slag, and not the cause, that alienate the wrong treatment and would simply shift their interest to other disciplines. I guess no one believes that it would be different. Just do not lose big money in the slag, but also lose a lot of ideas, which are those companies to promote themselves through slag, and thanks to this same slag.

 

JG the only concession that was incorporated into the regulations is a change in transfer fees.The relaxation in this regard lies in the fact that you will be taken into account up to three years of starts a player regardless of how long he represented the club. How can you refer to this change?

 

KC Is a welcome change, so it should be a positive assessment, although it is difficult to understand any fees for the player, whose contract just expired

 

JG .In an environment of cinder are presidents who criticize Mr. actions.Recently he did Wladyslaw Komarnicki, who said that you do not have adequate knowledge of economics, and the players that you represent and who are outraged by the Financial Regulations to accept much lower wages in England or Sweden, so why not protest in the local leagues. As you can refer to these words?

 

KC As for Mr. Ladislaus this before sending me on a course in economics, and so then and now to answer the same. I was on more than one lecture linked to the economy and there taught me, among others to what can be very useful even when creating speedway team - do not spend more money than I have. This economic truism, however, I do not think anyone took into consideration, if today turns out that there are clubs that have a very bad situation. It was not me after all overpaid players to have them in your team, what gave me the day after the criticism of Mr. Wladyslaw, which I mentioned a few sentences. I quote "I had to accept conditions that have been shot." I think that no one had but just wanted to have all costs of the players and joined in a przepłacanie.Z why I do not know. Besides, they sound awkward words about economics course, if a day later,we read that the organization of GPs in Gorzow was a financial flop

 

JG .And what to pay players in Sweden and England?

 

KC As for the earnings of players in Sweden and in England is a matter of looks like this: England would leave the side, because there very few players from the world's leading ride. In Sweden, the players actually go perfect, I dare say that in Poland by m.in.zmianę rule about players of the series GP, in Sweden we have many meetings higher than in Poland. At the start, we can see up to four players with a GP. There is absolutely, so that players earn a lot less there than in Poland. Some people earn less, some earn much, and some earn more. Sweden is a financial rules that limit spending on the club team, but no limits have individual sponsors riders. No one receives the normal negotiations with the players clubs, no sum shall transfer, no one is doing with the juniors to seniors. Spaces where normal economic freedom. By normality, a very high level of competition and of course a good salary players start there

 

JG .Do you already can ensure that the environment of the players will stubbornly stick to her in the event of such Rules speedway will not leave the track?

 

KC I can only assure that it will inform the players about the situation. I'll ask them to terminate their opinion on the subject and then we will inform our next steps

 

JG .Do you see any chance of further amend the provisions of Financial Regulations?-

 

KC I see, but they all will be the decision of those who introduced these regulations. It does not create rules of the Association of speedway, it's not the players or fans. We and the fans we can only deliver their opinion, and someone may or may not need to take this into account. Fans can not possibly be interested in such competitions, and players may not be interested in riding in the league

 

.JG Met on Saturday with representatives in Gorzow dyskutowaliście Extraleague and on the proposed changes.This meeting was a harbinger of what happened today in Warsaw?

 

KC Absolutely not. All that was established in Gorzow, gave hope that we will step in to reduce the wages of competitors, leaving a certain freedom of talks, negotiations and common sense. There was also hope that we leave the high level games and we will do with the seniors and juniors once again changed the table with two sets of gear for juniors. I think if the fans are paying so much for the tickets, you want to watch the best riders on the track, not necessarily so often those who have the least skills. If you prefer to watch the juniors themselves, it will come with a lot less money for competitions MDMP. A provision that punishes the best juniors, it is quite dangerous because it can cause a hard time for those still young players who can go out one season, and another is not necessarily that good anymore. So if we ask for weaker disposal, Jr. to ride only in races with seniors, you may end up differently. And history has different reactions, if we put too young players at too high expectations. An example of the fact that different, even the best juniorom, go racing with the seniors is Bartek Zmarzlik. On Saturday went brilliantly in the GP in Gorzow, a day later in Gdansk, after winning the junior race in heats with seniors scored: 1,0,0. In my opinion we need to protect these children, maintaining the current state, because this system has proven itself and thus we have as many as seven Junior World Cup

 

JG .In what direction will tend Polish speedway, if the Financial Regulations shall come into force?-

 

KC I hope that does not come into force. It's not like that the players want to earn millions. Competitors must and understand that in some clubs hard and will have to reduce their earnings. But everything should be done with their participation. Just invite them to the table and explain to them the situation in the club. Then the speedway will be able to say whether they want to continue to compete in this place, and agree to the terms and conditions, or perhaps it completely not interested in longer riding on the slag. When placed behind their backs rules "about them, without them," it is up to no good has resulted

Edited June 28, 2012 by racers and royals

[racers and royals]

Another Google translation of a further Sportowfakty article on the Extraleague TV rights tender.

 

 

 

Wednesday's meeting of shareholders in addition to tightening Speedway Extraleague Financial Rules also brought a decision on the sale of television rights.

 

Meeting of Wednesday's Extraleague Speedway in addition to decisions on tightening the rules of the Financial Regulations, has had an important movement in the sale of broadcasting rights for the next season. The partners have agreed to sign the Speedway agreement with UFA Sports, which is to be responsible for the organization of a new tender for television rights to Enea Extraleague and mediate in the sale of television rights for 2013-2015 seasons.

 

Recall that the UFA Sports is a company on behalf of the football league SA brokered the sale of television rights in the Polish league for 2011-2014. The matches will be shown by Canal +, which also decided to sell sub-stations Polsat Sport and Eurosport. Football clubs for season 2010/2011 the division received a total of almost 120 million. For the past season, this amount was lower, but still exceeded 100 million for distribution. Participation in this amount was determined by the result of sports teams and figures showing the meetings with interested teams.

 

On what basis UFA Sports will cooperate with the Speedway? That still is not yet known. Our service could be established that the remuneration of the company as part of the RTL Group is composed of two parts: the amount for the organization of a new tender and the percentages of the amounts to which the successful tenderer will pay for the television rights to Speedway Extraleague. Here is a catch, however. Unofficially it is known that Speedway for three television rights would get the amount of 13-15 million. That is why the canceled the first tender, in which the tenders submitted did not satisfy the shareholders. Recall that the previous three-year contract TVP Sport amounted to about 6 million. Meanwhile, the best of the submitted bids in the first tender was not much better than those offered by TVP Sport and amounted to little more than 8 million registered gold. That's why UFA Sports has announce a new competition. But will receive a percentage of the sale of television rights only if the winning bid will be better than those that were made in the first tender.

 

UFA Sports has until September to hold a new competition for bids for television rights to Speedway Extraleague. It also has responsibility for oversight over the execution of the agreement during its term

Edited June 28, 2012 by racers and royals