Drac Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Where's the nearest boozer to the track then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) You could have the Fours meeting that would include every team in the league. Seed last years winner directly to the Final i.e. Ipswich. The split the other 12 teams into 3 groups of 4 with winners of each group qualifying for the Final. Edited July 6, 2012 by spin king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Group 1 looks interesting, shame we didn't have Worky in there as well - but should be competitive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambpanther Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Where's the nearest boozer to the track then? right outside the enterance to the showground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drac Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 right outside the enterance to the showground Ta very muchly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 That's nonsense given that averages can be manipulated etc.. I would like to know where you are going with this one.... If a team has "manipulated" their averages it means they are basiclay eliminating themselves from the event......good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 So you're telling me that teams sign reserves on averages higher than 5 then use the rest for the remaining riders , yeah right that makes sense Most of the PL team,s have done that this season...NOT! Whats that got to do with the discussion? The suggestion was that Workington , Newcastle, Somerset were not top heavy. Add up the total of their top 4's at the start of the year and compare to other teams and see how top heavy they are (or are not as you believe) - I think you'll find them 3 teams used up a lot of their points on their top 5 and have a minimal amount left for their bottom 3 - They just happened to use that minimal amount very well in signing the likes of Roynon, Howarth, Worrall (x2)m Davies and Newman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Interesting piece by Mike Bacon in the EADT: http://www.lovespeedway24.co.uk/teams/ipswich-witches/louis_fury_as_redcar_now_get_premier_fours_call_up_1_1439011 I reckon Louis may have a point. Ignoring the fact that Ipswich are the current champions, and really should be there to defend their title, now the teams have been announced, they justify inclusion based on the combined averages. Using the June RAs, Ipswich have a combined average of 34.09, which is only bettered by Somerset (35.69), Plymouth (35.20), and Newcastle (35.17). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 But if you don't meet the criteria then you don't meet it. He wants to stop moaning IMO...it's the same for every club at the start of every season....unless your Leicester 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmuffe Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Interesting piece by Mike Bacon in the EADT: http://www.lovespeed...ll_up_1_1439011 I reckon Louis may have a point. Ignoring the fact that Ipswich are the current champions, and really should be there to defend their title, now the teams have been announced, they justify inclusion based on the combined averages. Using the June RAs, Ipswich have a combined average of 34.09, which is only bettered by Somerset (35.69), Plymouth (35.20), and Newcastle (35.17). Should be this seasons averages 2012 --it is the 2012 PL4's --as r'as as you pointed out include some 2010!!! (cannot be arsed to check as trust your figures). Top 8 teams not perfect... who ever they are. Surely as the original selections were made on previous months figures its the 9th club on those figures was it Redcar ? You could have the Fours meeting that would include every team in the league. Seed last years winner directly to the Final i.e. Ipswich. The split the other 12 teams into 3 groups of 4 with winners of each group qualifying for the Final. Now this surely says what i feel the majority of us feel about the " day of the 4's Finals" maximum involvement from all Clubs. I also want return of the QR's but feel this would compensate until the day we increase PL numbers to 16.(dream dream i know) They did run a QR Group with only 3 clubs once for a 4TT ...only in speedway!! Seems you have a sown a seed to work on & at first viewing looks promising. Wish you luck because imo this has no chance of being adopted because it has integrity(apologies Snacky if used that incorrectly) and would appear to be the fairest solution. Suggest you flower it with a stupid idea or 2 to increase its chances of adoption....ie up live up to your name!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Interesting piece by Mike Bacon in the EADT: http://www.lovespeed...ll_up_1_1439011 I reckon Louis may have a point. Ignoring the fact that Ipswich are the current champions, and really should be there to defend their title, now the teams have been announced, they justify inclusion based on the combined averages. Using the June RAs, Ipswich have a combined average of 34.09, which is only bettered by Somerset (35.69), Plymouth (35.20), and Newcastle (35.17). Interesting piece by Mike Bacon in the EADT: http://www.lovespeed...ll_up_1_1439011 I reckon Louis may have a point. Ignoring the fact that Ipswich are the current champions, and really should be there to defend their title, now the teams have been announced, they justify inclusion based on the combined averages. Using the June RAs, Ipswich have a combined average of 34.09, which is only bettered by Somerset (35.69), Plymouth (35.20), and Newcastle (35.17). Do you ever give up???? you realy are taking this one badly?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cat2 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Never mind all this average stuff who do you all think will will the meet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Do you ever give up???? you realy are taking this one badly?! I know my posts are good, but there is really no need to quote them twice!!!!!! I haven't taken anything badly, just bringing to other members' attention to an article in the local press that may be of interest In addition I have added a little factual comment. Pip pip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I haven't taken anything badly, just bringing to other members' attention to an article in the local press that may be of interest why would anybody have any interest in what mike bacon says 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I know my posts are good, but there is really no need to quote them twice!!!!!! I haven't taken anything badly, just bringing to other members' attention to an article in the local press that may be of interest In addition I have added a little factual comment. Pip pip I know my posts are good, but there is really no need to quote them twice!!!!!! I haven't taken anything badly, just bringing to other members' attention to an article in the local press that may be of interest In addition I have added a little factual comment. Pip pip Yawn!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) Interesting piece by Mike Bacon in the EADT: http://www.lovespeed...ll_up_1_1439011 I reckon Louis may have a point. Ignoring the fact that Ipswich are the current champions, and really should be there to defend their title, now the teams have been announced, they justify inclusion based on the combined averages. Using the June RAs, Ipswich have a combined average of 34.09, which is only bettered by Somerset (35.69), Plymouth (35.20), and Newcastle (35.17). 27.73 actually, top 4 in the averages Lanham, Doolan, North and Tungate - same for every club so they didn't qualify and Redcar were above them on 27.81 once Scunny dropped out. Edited July 11, 2012 by Piccolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 27.73 actually, top 4 in the averages Lanham, Doolan, North and Tungate - same for every club so they didn't qualify and Redcar were above them on 27.81 once Scunny dropped out. I was using the figures to underline Louis point of “....... we (would) be one of the strongest teams.......”. Remember the teams announced by the BSPA consist of FIVE riders, and given that, Ipswich are the fourth strongest team based on RAs. We all know how the BSPA base their qualifying criteria, which is fair enough, but it doesn't lessen the substance of Louis' remarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgowmicktiger Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Had a good laugh at the bspa website today with ben barker talking tough about the fours how anyone could fear ben and ryan is laughable <personal abuse removed - refer to forum rules> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) Had a good laugh at the bspa website today with ben barker talking tough about the fours how anyone could fear ben and ryan is laughable <personal abuse removed - refer to forum rules> When Barker was interviewed I bet it went something like this. " Well, you know I think I`m doing ok and you know the fish is right up there,you know., and you never know if Cory can get some you know , big you know points , and Toddy can you know surprise a few you know people , you never know we might just nick it.......................................you know.."............. Edited July 13, 2012 by Cliffeboy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneylegend Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Really looking forward to this meeting as its my 1st visit to the East of England Showground, lets hope im returning with fond memories of a Comets win fingers crossed this will be our 6th PL 4s title and the 1st peice of silverware of the 2012 season. Doubt it will be easy as it has the making of a very close fought meeting, on the plus side Bach, Lawson and Roynon all the no the Peterborough track well and im sure Kenny will give it his all. Coming down on the supporters bus, sunny skys please........... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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