Steve Hewitt Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Can anyone throw some light on the qualifying process this year and if it's like last year who currently looks like qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cat2 Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 its all names in to a hat and drawen out like it makes sence to us all !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Top 8 teams using combined averages of the top 4 riders in each team as at a certain cut off date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Be the usual last minute farce......not that fans have to sort out transport time off work etc....making that decision for themselves at the last minute because they dont know if there time is gonna be in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Top 8 teams using combined averages of the top 4 riders in each team as at a certain cut off date. Â Which, with rolling averages not changing too much, makes it fairly easy to calculate even now if your team will be in or out. Â But don't let that get in the way of your having a a few wild swipes at anyone and everyone, please. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post screm Posted May 31, 2012 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Untill the powers that be bring back 4TT Qualifiers,the selection system will always be a farce. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hewitt Posted June 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Used to enjoy the quailifiers, with the teams all being reasonably local could get to more than one meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Surprised they never bring back the qualifiers. Surely a good earner if done regionally. Would have thought that anyone with half a brain would realize that but it is the BSPA we are talking about here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 If you work on the current system of having 2 "heatleaders" in a team, an average gate has to cover the expense of 4 heatleaders, 6 second strings & 4 reserves. A 4TT qualifier will have to cover 8 heatleaders, & 8 second strings plus some guarantee for 4 non-riding "reserves" - who may well be the remaining second string in the clubs' normal 1 - 7. Â Legend has it that popularity waned, especially at southern tracks, which is what killed them off in the first place. With the increasing northern bias in the location of PL teams there may or may not be more sway towards their return, but that doesn't addess the fact that they're considerably more expensive to stage if they're arranged properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 If you work on the current system of having 2 "heatleaders" in a team, an average gate has to cover the expense of 4 heatleaders, 6 second strings & 4 reserves. A 4TT qualifier will have to cover 8 heatleaders, & 8 second strings plus some guarantee for 4 non-riding "reserves" - who may well be the remaining second string in the clubs' normal 1 - 7.  Legend has it that popularity waned, especially at southern tracks, which is what killed them off in the first place. With the increasing northern bias in the location of PL teams there may or may not be more sway towards their return, but that doesn't addess the fact that they're considerably more expensive to stage if they're arranged properly  Quite correct backless. All riders are on the same payrate so you are really having to pay for 16 heatleaders and for 4 reserves, who would also get the same rate. The heatleader rate is not as high as some top lads get who sometimes insist on their contract rate, further increasing the final wagebill for their owning club. The hosting club would pay each visiting team the event payrate. With this averaged rate, plus the number of riders and 20 heats to pay for, it is expensive to run which in the North is usually helped by bigger gates from visiting teams travelling fans. Not so true in the Southern teams such as IOW, Exeter, Reading and Newport who always used to vote against the qualifiers when it was on the AGM agenda to bring them back. Most regard it now as a lost cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Even now, picking the groups from the north wouldn't be easy -- Glasgow, Edinburgh, Berwick and Worky?  Then Newcastle, Redcar, Sheffield and Scunny?  Leaving the close-knit group of Plymouth, Rye, Somerset, Leicester and Ippy to make up a "lucrative" final quintet  Back in the day, when there were 16 or twenty teams in the (old) National League, everybody had near-neighbours and derbies, and the increased travelling and rider-payment costs (three away meetings to be met out of one home gate) were matched by increased attendances.  Nowadays, not so much. As one who remembers some of the northern group weekends being a fantastic time for fans, it is so sad that it can't be expected to happen (even if some of us are a little older and wiser in our behaviour today) but that shouldn't stop us having a fine old time at Peterborough next month. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Even now, picking the groups from the north wouldn't be easy -- Glasgow, Edinburgh, Berwick and Worky?  Then Newcastle, Redcar, Sheffield and Scunny?  Leaving the close-knit group of Plymouth, Rye, Somerset, Leicester and Ippy to make up a "lucrative" final quintet   So not that hard after all then.  If there was a will from the BSPA to bring back the qualifiers then it would happen,but for some strange reason it hasnt quite happened yet.A level playing field is my arguement in bring back the qualifiers,as everyone starts off with the same chance,instead we have this qualification by average system which truely works well doesnt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Qualifiers should be (averages taken from the BSPA website) Â Berwick 29.32 Glasgow 29.91 Leicester 29.21 Newcastle 29.33 Plymouth 30.9 Scunthorpe 29.07 Somerset 30.07 Workington 29.81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 hmmm, seems like a good system when some of the best supported clubs in the PL are denied entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 hmmm, seems like a good system when some of the best supported clubs in the PL are denied entry. So will the qualify criteria change to the amount of people each club gets through the turnstiles then?? Every club has been dissapointed at not qualifing at some stage or another and this will continue to be the case unless the BSPA change the criteria (highly unlikely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) The eight qualifying clubs are now known. Plymouth, Somerset, Workington, Newcastle, Berwick, Leicester, Glasgow and Scunthorpe will all do battle over two semi-finals.  They have used May’s averages in June as the cut-off for qualification.  Sadly, the current champions will not be in a position to defend their title which is a disappointment.  There is an argument of course that qualification should be based on the combined averages of the top five, as of course each team will be tracking FIVE, not four riders each. Had that been the case, then it would be Ipswich and not Berwick that would have qualified.  It isn't of course, so we will just have to live with it!!! Edited June 11, 2012 by Mr Snackette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Not so true in the Southern teams such as IOW, Exeter, Reading and Newport who always used to vote against the qualifiers when it was on the AGM agenda to bring them back.So 4 clubs that are no longer in the PL are the reason they dont have qualifiers. Pull the other one! Someone else must be against them or they'd be back now. I'm shocked Newport were against them, I remember a huge crowd at Newport in '99. And Phillipe Berge was flipping awesome for IOW. The next day at Exeter Mark Simmonds hit Frank Smarts bake wheels and flew over the fence and out of the stadium and had to climb back into the stadium up a ladder with a broken thigh! I'm sure Emil Lindqvist was unbeaten at Arena Essex too. Why can I remember pointless stuff like this from 1999 but when I just rung up the garage about my car I was unable to recall the regestration number! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 This method of selection favours teams who build top heavy - ironic that we won it last year with a strength in depth approach yet this year can't defend our title! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 This method of selection favours teams who build top heavy - ironic that we won it last year with a strength in depth approach yet this year can't defend our title! Workington , Newcastle, Somerset, - top heavy teams don't be silly !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 This method of selection favours teams who build top heavy - ironic that we won it last year with a strength in depth approach yet this year can't defend our title! Did Ippo not only qualify last year because of newcastles injurys?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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