Who Should Ride In The World Cup For Uk

[michaelcroucher]

Went to the U21 World cup at Lakeside yesterday and Australia and Denmark was outstanding. Anyway I was starting to think about the World cup coming up at Kings Lynn and who should be picked. As a nation should we start building the team with the youngsters like Denmark and other countries do. So for this year World Cup I think the team should be

 

Scott Nicholls

Ben Barker

Josh Auty

Adam Royton

Lewis Bridger

 

I know a lot of people are probably saying this guy is mad and where are the likes of Tai Woffinden, Chris Harris, Edward Kennett, Simon Stead,Daniel King. Lets start with Tai never has done well around Kings Lynn and not a top rider when it comes to his country. Chris, Chris is a great rider in the EL but with GP he hasnt been on the pace. Edward, Like him a lot always trying but doesn't really have it. I know im going to get replys with you stuipd etc but work with the youngerts now and maybe in 3 yrs time they would be ready for Gold. I know Scott is not young but he has always been great for UK and he can help with the youngters.

 

PS it was good to see Andy Grahmme in the Pits tonight helpping Adam.

[JT]

We've tried 'youngsters' before and it was embarrassing.

 

Aren't there 4 riders in a team this season? This should help us.

 

Harris has been woeful in the GP's but he's still our best rider.

 

Woffinden is our next best and is probably our best bet on the world stage for the future. If the British charity continues next year, I expect Tai to take over from Harris in the GP series.

 

Providing he's fit, Nicholls is out third best rider AND has plenty of experience at this level.

 

Finally i'd give the last place to the next top British rider in the EL averages. I assume that's one of Kennet or King?

 

JT.

Edited May 28, 2012 by JT

[ImpartialOne]

Woffinden

Harris

Barker

Auty

[Cj69]

1. Me

2. My Mate

3. My Gran (only if midsummer murders isnt on)

4. A polish chap at my local tescos

[Dave_minall]

I remember years ago Denmark tracked a VERY young side in a test match against GB, that team was Hans Andersen, Kenneth Bjerre, Puk and a few other names I can't remember.

 

They were criticised for it at the time as GB gave them a trouncing, but the team tracked then are now top class mature riders. Britain's team then? I believe it was David Norris, Mark Loram, Dean Barker, Scott Nicholls and perhaps Rico.

 

A sign of how far behind we were even back then.

[JT]

I remember years ago Denmark tracked a VERY young side in a test match against GB, that team was Hans Andersen, Kenneth Bjerre, Puk and a few other names I can't remember.

 

I was at that match, Denmark won if I remember correctly? These were the teams;

 

Team GB

 

1. Scott Nicholls 8.66

2. David Howe 7.71

3. Lee Richardson 7.79

4. David Norris 10.12

5. Mark Loram 10.10

6. Stuart Robson 6.93

7. Chris Neath 6.29

 

Total = 57.60

 

Denmark

 

1. Hans Andersen 8.42

2. Jesper B. Jensen 7.35

3. Bjarne Pedersen 8.67

4. Kenneth Bjerre 7.60

5. Nicki Pedersen 9.22

6. Niels-Kristian Iversen 6.43

7. Charlie Gjedde 7.00

 

Total = 54.69

 

Howe and Neath were young at the time, and with all due respect to them both, riding in such a test match hardly turned them in to world class riders.

 

There have been a few exceptions (Andersen and Iversen spring to mind) over the years, but by and large if you're Danish you don't expect a Grand Prix wild card EVERY season. Maybe if our riders didn't rely on a charitable pick every year, they'd be forced to raise their game, instead of relying on their nationality year after year?

 

JT.

Edited May 29, 2012 by JT

[michaelcroucher]

Ok i didnt know there was only 4 riders for this year for the World Cup. I still think we should have the youngsters ie 3 young guys and 1 rider who has international experience. I think that Nicholls is a much better rider than Harris and as he is not in the GP and he has been a rock as a rider for the UK. I can understand what people are saying about the other riders like Tai and Kennet and King but Tai has never been good at Kings Lynn he even said so himself that he doesn’t like the track, Kennet is so off form at the mo and King has been there before. If you look at the other teams coming up with their young ones we are still going to be behind when we come to this championship again over the next few years.

 

I can see Australia has some top international riders and also there under 21 look solid and the way they are going the u21 they will probably be the next team in a few years to come. Poland are solid as well with the young brothers coming up, can’t think of their name at the mo yet. I can’t see us ever winning the World cup if the country doesn’t do something for now for the future. Lets bring on the young ones and work with them so somewhere down the line in 3 years or there about we might have a chance. On Sun at the u21 World Cup it showed that as a team they just was not good enough, inexperience comes to my head,b ut with a little bit of hard work they can get there. I was watching the riders from the coutries in the pits and was shock on the attitude compare to the UK lads.

[mdmc82]

would def say Harris esp as he is starting to find some form and is good at lynn.

 

I would say Tai and nicholls but will depend on if they are fit

 

1) Harris

2) nicholls

3) Woffy

 

4) would have said Kennett or barker but neither on great form at the moment, think it is too soon for auty

[Deano]

It should be the the best four riders for the World Cup. The World Cup isn't the training ground, there should be other opportunities for training riders and giving the experience. Selecting wild cards for GP's can give a youngster an idea of the 'moment' without losing any potential cups in the process.

[mdmc82]

It should be the the best four riders for the World Cup. The World Cup isn't the training ground, there should be other opportunities for training riders and giving the experience. Selecting wild cards for GP's can give a youngster an idea of the 'moment' without losing any potential cups in the process.

 

if you were to go by top 4 averages of british riders it would be:

 

1) Tai Woffinden 8.49

2) Edward kennett 8.06

3) Chris Harris 7.82

4) Scott nicholls 7.66

 

although alot would be down to if tai and nicholls have recovered from injury and also kennetts form.

[spook]

1. Me

2. My Mate

3. My Gran (only if midsummer murders isnt on)

4. A polish chap at my local tescos

 

i'm with CJ69 on this one

but alternatively if we cant attract that lineup then the riders and BSPA should pull out, and take the time to figure out what package is needed to be competitive for future years.... we can go on about the standard of the riders as much as we like but if the machinery isnt there and it is all down to the riders to pay for everything upfront and put something together to the standard required...... then I think we have had enough proof down the years that its never going to be good enough......... lets not forget why GB's highest SWC scorer decided not to ride for GB

Edited May 29, 2012 by spook

[manchesterpaul]

1. Me

2. My Mate

3. My Gran (only if midsummer murders isnt on)

4. A polish chap at my local tescos

 

Changes needed to that line-up for sure....

 

My Gran is better than your Gran so change number 3.

 

Also make an alteration at number 4 because at our local Tesco's we have a gorgeous Polish girl and although (in common with our riders) she can't ride a speedway bike, i sooooo got to see her in leathers/kevlars.

 

You sure a number 2 exists? it not going to be a phantom or wishful thinking rider?

[jimmy jimmy]

Harris

Woffinden

Barker

Bridger

[HasseHolmqvist]

1. Tai Woffinden

2 Chris Harris

3. Scott Nicholls

4. Josh Auty/Danny King

 

No place for learner except Auty

[phillipsr]

Are people forgetting Tai is only 21?? Average wise the best british rider in this country. so what if he doesnt like kings lynn he would still beat all the other riders people are suggesting around there. You read some crap on here but this is right up there with the Mark Burrows is one of most naturally talented riders in the world thread.

[Gavan]

Is this thread serious i cant believe what some people are writing. I want to see Team GB in the final and that means picking the four best riders that we have yes or no? The top 3 pick themselves HARRIS NICHOLLS WOFFINDEN simple as that. The only position up for grabs is number 4. This should be picked on form and experiance basically. Kennett and Barker have ridden in world cups so to have Stead and i believe King and Bridger. Kennett is out of form and personally i think Stead has had his chances at this level and isnt good enough. I also dont really think King is up to it so i would pick Bridger or Barker. The young blood the worralls and the like are nowhere near up to this level yet. Put Auty in the squad to give him that experiance of being around it all but i want us to do well and see us in the final and no one can tell me that Screeny wouldnt get more points than Stead or King because he is in great form

[SCB]

Are people forgetting Tai is only 21?? Average wise the best british rider in this country. so what if he doesnt like kings lynn he would still beat all the other riders people are suggesting around there. You read some crap on here but this is right up there with the Mark Burrows is one of most naturally talented riders in the world thread.

Yeah but them youngster Barker and King are clearly better riders for the future If fit Woffinden is the one rider who is a certainty. After that I accept it depends how Middlo wants to play it with the choice of Harris, Nicholls and Barker or a younger looking team including Bridger and possibly one of Mear, Auty or Worrall. Still a little too soon for them 3 though IMO, but they SHOULD be there in the pits!

[A ORLOV]

Would like to see GB in the final but cannot see them getting there. Have looked at the make up of the competition and with the following schedule and the riders GB has it is going to be very difficult.

 

Event 1 winner to final. This is likely to be Poland but Denmark will push them hard and may even pull out a surprise.

Event 2 winner to final. This is likely to be Australia if Ward, Holder,Crump and probably Watt are the team choice.

Event 3 winner to final. This meeting will probably see GB against either Denmark or Poland. Cannot see GB winning this one.

Sweden seeded to final.

It comes back to the problem that at the moment GB does not have world beating riders, in a few years maybe but not now.

Edited May 30, 2012 by A ORLOV

[iris123]

Oh please......my ribs are just recovering from the Mark Burrows topic.....been trying to put it out of my mind,then someone brings it up again unexpectedly.......Doctor!!!!!

[L8entry]

Having noted Adam Roynons recent performances I was thinking similar thoughts to Mark Burrows about the composition of the World Cup team. Yes the U21 performance was a reality check but bets just assume, and I hope its not the case, that Scott and Tai are not fit. I'd stick with Bomber but, given that we don't appear to have much chance this year, wouldn't this be an opportunity to give 1 or 2 of the youngsters a chance to increase their experience? One or 2 of Robert Mear, Adam Roynon, Richie Worrall etc mixed in with Bomber and whoever is best of GB riders at the time - could be Ben Barker, Lewis Bridger, Danny King, Eddie Kennett (if he improves) would at least show the youngsters coming through that there is a opportunity if they want to grab it.