Buxton V Stoke Sunday 27th

[andy1967]

stoke to win i think.. any updates for this meeting?

[Clint]

Is there anyone going to this meeting who would be able to text updates to the updates site? If so, could you please leave a message below.

 

Thanks

Edited May 27, 2012 by Clint107

[crazysue]

Texter now found. Thanks

[vog]

Awful meeting. Buxton managed to stay on more than Stoke to win the 3 points.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Track was fine as ash birks said himself ,I never once struggled to turn and thought the track was fairly easy to ride , and at least we didnt have to collect car parts off our track before the meeting , you lost to a better team on the day just like we did last night ,,

[vog]

Track was fine as ash birks said himself ,I never once struggled to turn and thought the track was fairly easy to ride , and at least we didnt have to collect car parts off our track before the meeting , you lost to a better team on the day just like we did last night ,,

 

From a spectator point of view, I watched as every rider hit the same bit of dirt on bend 2 that caused McKinna, Birks, Reade, Neale, Pickard, Blacklock all to fall. For me, that's not fine.

 

Add to that, heat 13, after Branford and McKinna both almost binned it in the same place, all 3 riders took it easy. The track, from where I was, looked inconsistent.

Edited May 27, 2012 by vog

[Jayne]

Awful meeting. Buxton managed to stay on more than Stoke to win the 3 points.

 

 

Not according to the referee. Incidentally not one rider or member of Stoke's management team made a complaint either.

[vog]

Not according to the referee. Incidentally not one rider or member of Stoke's management team made a complaint either.

 

Didn't mention the track in my first post, but I did in the updates. The meeting was pretty bad, irrespective of track. Buxton stayed on their bikes better than Stoke did, and neither team seemed to want to win the meeting. Stoke threw away a 5-1 in heat 1, Buxton threw away a 9 point lead, then Stoke should have grasped the meeting and didn't.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Didn't mention the track in my first post, but I did in the updates. The meeting was pretty bad, irrespective of track. Buxton stayed on their bikes better than Stoke did, and neither team seemed to want to win the meeting. Stoke threw away a 5-1 in heat 1, Buxton threw away a 9 point lead, then Stoke should have grasped the meeting and didn't.

buxtons track has a rare thing in speedway these days , dirt and it builds up quite alot on the outside , ash birks was flat out in his second ride and won with the fastest time for a long time , that dosent happen on a bad track ,

[junior fan]

buxtons track has a rare thing in speedway these days , dirt and it builds up quite alot on the outside , ash birks was flat out in his second ride and won with the fastest time for a long time , that dosent happen on a bad track ,

 

Your right machine, sounds like dirt over there is a rare commodoty from what ive seen on sky, which is why a lot of riders struggle when they come acrodss it.

Isnt the point of having a home track, setting it up how the opposition dont like it, so sounds like it worked in buxtons favour.

Some will argue its a s hole but others will say they like it that way.

 

Junior

[speedy bill]

whats all this rubbish about buxtons track it was good meeting and all riders were trying hard and it was a good meeting to watch just because buxton won you are pissed off i think today was good speedway entertaining for a change

 

speedway today at buxton was both entertaining and unpredictable on a well prepared race track and a good win for the home team all riders gave it 100% if all meetings were like that the crowds would increase it was not like your from the gate elite league stuff a good match on a good track. good night.

Edited May 27, 2012 by bw double

[teddy2706]

The meeting was great, two friends who rarely watch speedway came from Doncaster and said they were very pleased they came, an afternoon in the sun and some hard racing.

Ashley zipped around in a brilliant exhibition of speedway riding, an absolute joy to watch.

Ross Walters and Liam Carr were fast getting to grips with the place and Ryan Blacklock's courageous efforts sadly didn't earn him all the points he deserved.

It was a considerably better and more entertaining meeting than the previous night at Loomer rd. which was embarrassing and not entertaining.

 

Personally, I love to see Stoke win, but they absolutely didn't deserve to win yesterday, just as Buxton most certainly didn't deserve to win on Saturday.

[Fromafar]

buxtons track has a rare thing in speedway these days , dirt and it builds up quite alot on the outside , ash birks was flat out in his second ride and won with the fastest time for a long time , that dosent happen on a bad track ,

Good post, nowadays if there is dirt on the track many riders stuggle to work out how to ride it,Its meant to be dirt track raciing.

[vog]

whats all this rubbish about buxtons track it was good meeting and all riders were trying hard and it was a good meeting to watch just because buxton won you are pissed off i think today was good speedway entertaining for a change

 

speedway today at buxton was both entertaining and unpredictable on a well prepared race track and a good win for the home team all riders gave it 100% if all meetings were like that the crowds would increase it was not like your from the gate elite league stuff a good match on a good track. good night.

 

Am I gutted Stoke lost? Of course. But to say it was a good meeting, in my opinion, is a stretch.

 

For me, a good meeting should be one where riders use their skills to overtake each other on a pretty regular basis. If I see that, I'm not fussed if my team wins or loses. Yesterday I saw:

 

12 fallers

Numerous riders almost coming to grief on bend 2 (The two that stick in my mind are McKinna and Branford)

Experienced riders unable to slide the bike going into bend 3 (Atkin always seems to struggle at Buxton, but McKinna in the early heats was two wheeling in then sliding after the apex)

Passes due to rides not being able to control their bikes.

Watering of a single line on the inside, which seemed to do more harm than good (And at the time, I commented to a friend that the track was finally settling down when the water was put on and falls happened again)

 

From where I was stood, there was an obvious patch, on bend 2, which was about 10 shades darker than anywhere else. When riders hit this, they were flung towards the fence (See Adam McKinna in heat 7) For me, that was ridiculous, and I took no pleasure in watching experienced and talented riders struggle for 4 laps. But hey, if that's what you enjoy, good luck to you.

[Baldy]

Am I gutted Stoke lost? Of course. But to say it was a good meeting, in my opinion, is a stretch.

 

For me, a good meeting should be one where riders use their skills to overtake each other on a pretty regular basis. If I see that, I'm not fussed if my team wins or loses. Yesterday I saw:

 

12 fallers

Numerous riders almost coming to grief on bend 2 (The two that stick in my mind are McKinna and Branford)

Experienced riders unable to slide the bike going into bend 3 (Atkin always seems to struggle at Buxton, but McKinna in the early heats was two wheeling in then sliding after the apex)

Passes due to rides not being able to control their bikes.

Watering of a single line on the inside, which seemed to do more harm than good (And at the time, I commented to a friend that the track was finally settling down when the water was put on and falls happened again)

 

From where I was stood, there was an obvious patch, on bend 2, which was about 10 shades darker than anywhere else. When riders hit this, they were flung towards the fence (See Adam McKinna in heat 7) For me, that was ridiculous, and I took no pleasure in watching experienced and talented riders struggle for 4 laps. But hey, if that's what you enjoy, good luck to you.

I think you have it summed up nicely there Vog. Although I don't think the track was bad at all. The second bend had a problem that did skittle the riders some what. For me what Dean said was interesting and it is true that the modern day speedway rider seems to struggle with dirt on the track and that's what seemed to happen. They should have more set-ups like that as I always enjoyed riders riding how it was meant to be. I know some tracks cannot take dirt on as it makes it impossible to ride; I think Rye House is one of these. So even though for me the dirt caused the riders to perform like novices at times and for me added little or any entertainment value as most of the time riders seem more interested in just staying on than lining up passing moves, they should have more dirt on the tracks because when the riders get used to it again it is the best possible racing. Riders did not complain because they probably thought I should be able to ride this!!!.At present riders struggle but we should start a campaign to bring back the dirt!!. In another post somebody said that Stokes match was embarrassing?. What was embarrassing about it?

[vog]

I think you have it summed up nicely there Vog. Although I don't think the track was bad at all. The second bend had a problem that did skittle the riders some what. For me what Dean said was interesting and it is true that the modern day speedway rider seems to struggle with dirt on the track and that's what seemed to happen. They should have more set-ups like that as I always enjoyed riders riding how it was meant to be. I know some tracks cannot take dirt on as it makes it impossible to ride; I think Rye House is one of these. So even though for me the dirt caused the riders to perform like novices at times and for me added little or any entertainment value as most of the time riders seem more interested in just staying on than lining up passing moves, they should have more dirt on the tracks because when the riders get used to it again it is the best possible racing. Riders did not complain because they probably thought I should be able to ride this!!!.At present riders struggle but we should start a campaign to bring back the dirt!!. In another post somebody said that Stokes match was embarrassing?. What was embarrassing about it?

 

The dirt one is an interesting one, as I remember hearing Crabby saying that there was no less dirt on the track last year at Stoke than when he was riding!

Edited May 28, 2012 by vog

[greyhoundp]

And if i recall, last week on updates at KL v The Heathens in the NL, it said riders struggled early on, something about to much grip..there maybe a point coming to the fore here, are the youngsters not used to having shale on a Track ??.

Edited May 28, 2012 by greyhoundp

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

A couple of points ,Adam McKinna runs smaller sprockets than most riders, hence he 2 wheels into corners on most tracks and the dark part of turn 2 was a build up of dirt, and yes it can get you into trouble but it's the fastest way and if you put gp riders on it they would be looking to hit that dark part every lap, ash birks was using it and so was Ben reade to a degree, but if you come to high edge on a downer about the track your not going to win, believe me there is a lot tracks worse than buxton

[fredbogge]

i think the biggest trouble with todays riders and track conditions is the type of engines being used today. All rev no torque ( light flywheels ultra/ short stroke / no pulling power/ all top end) tracks with blue line corners ( concrete slick) maybe think a change of gear ratio when the track gets cut up and patchy . I can remember when team managers used to advise riders of the best gear for conditions and were usualy right . can also remember changing sprockets five times during a meeting

[Baldy]

 

 

The dirt one is an interesting one, as I remember hearing Crabby saying that there was no less dirt on the track last year at Stoke than when he was riding!

If Crabby said that then I bow to that as these were/are the people who race the bikes. Memory is a terrible thing but remember rakers bringing the dirt back to the track. Of course the tractor could be doing that. Tracks do seem slicker to me but the people who prepare and race on the track say different I go with their view.