Swedish Gp

[lucifer sam]

If a Referee declares the heat over after one or more riders have crossed the

finish line, it shall not be re-run.

 

SCB, please note this.

 

All the best

Rob

[HasseHolmqvist]

I can just see Crumpy if he was in front running back to the pits jumping on the phone and saying "come on ref rerun it, its only fair"

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Immediatly, NOT 3 second later after the leader has crossed the line.

 

You can only award a heat that has finished but Nicki was excluded, so he was excluded immediately, thus the heat was not completed.

... immediately disqualify any rider he considers etc... Perhaps it took him 3 seconds to consider his decision and then he immediately disqualified Nicki and it just so happens that by that time Greg and the race has finished.

[SCB]

SCB, please note this.

 

All the best

Rob

So again I ask, who finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th? Because if the referee didn't "immediately" exclude Nicki and let the race run it's cause he could not exclude Nicki, he had to "immediately" exclude him or not at all. Meaning that the result was Hancock, Pedersen, Crump, Johnasson(FX) - He could award Crump 3rd as he took evasive action after Greg had crossed the line.

 

 

I agree it would have been harsh on Greg and Thomas Johnasson to re-run the race and the referee made a decision that tbf, makes a lot of sense but it's against the rules.

 

If you immediately exclude Nicki, you have to rerun the race of Greg has not passed the line, if you wait for Greg to pass the line then you cannot exclude Nicki.

 

I'm not going to get wound up about this one as I think the rule is crap and the referee actually made an exception call but if I was Crump I'd be furious.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

So again I ask, who finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th? Because if the referee didn't "immediately" exclude Nicki and let the race run it's cause he could not exclude Nicki, he had to "immediately" exclude him or not at all. Meaning that the result was Hancock, Pedersen, Crump, Johnasson(FX) - He could award Crump 3rd as he took evasive action after Greg had crossed the line.

 

 

I agree it would have been harsh on Greg and Thomas Johnasson to re-run the race and the referee made a decision that tbf, makes a lot of sense but it's against the rules.

 

If you immediately exclude Nicki, you have to rerun the race of Greg has not passed the line, if you wait for Greg to pass the line then you cannot exclude Nicki.

 

I'm not going to get wound up about this one as I think the rule is crap and the referee actually made an exception call but if I was Crump I'd be furious.

You seem to be ignoring my last post that he did exclude Nicki immediately after he had considered his decision by which time the race had ended. I am glad to see that you think it was the right result but am amazed to see you still argue it was against the rules!!

 

I note from following others threads that to get into a tennis match of replies with you could involve me needing to book the week off work to do it justice with the risk that you to find one line in 300 posts that might contradict a point I made 3 days and 25 pages ago so I think I'll end my contribution here!

[Marmite]

I do like Nicki, the GP would be a poorer place without him, but that was plain silly tonight, and to try and argue his point to the referee was silly. No idea about the rules of awarding a race, but surely common sense and logic should come into play. The stoppage was right in front of the finish line, the winner was clear cut, Crump was miles away from the points clear cut, so award the result.

Edited May 26, 2012 by Marmite

[Jacques]

Anyway, wasn't it good! Ullevi hasn't dished up the best in the past. But this one turned out to be a cracker...

 

 

Did anyone else have their hearts in their mouth more than once tonight...Sheesh...

 

Just two weeks after we lost #RICO

[mickthemuppet]

Good gp, shame my money went on Lindback and Jonasson rather than Lindgren!

Spoilt slightly yet again by Pearson and Tatum... So many good races spoilt by what sounded like Tatum going into labour.

 

Any idea on the actual crowd number? Looked poor again but hard to gauge on tv.

The crowd was in the region of 8,000 to 9,000

Very Disappointing but perhaps most Swedes stayed in to watch the Eurovision Song Contest.

[PHILIPRISING]

Immediatly, NOT 3 second later after the leader has crossed the line.

 

You can only award a heat that has finished but Nicki was excluded, so he was excluded immediately, thus the heat was not completed.

 

WRONG!

 

The crowd was in the region of 8,000 to 9,000

Very Disappointing but perhaps most Swedes stayed in to watch the Eurovision Song Contest.

 

CROWD was 12,800

[Gemini]

WRONG!

 

Philip you should know by now that SCB is never wrong.

[Dietbowers]

Nicki P,fantastic,but what the hell is the boy on...only he could see he was`nt wrong...perhaps he has a hiden pair of boobs,and a f...ny

Can`t believe Sam Ermolenko was on about riders boxes tonight,spit my beer out....

[JCookie]

Nice to see Freddie get the win in front of his home fans, hopefully that'll mean now Bomber and Freddie have home GP wins, that both can drop out happy at the end of the year and allow some new talent in.

[speedy den boy]

Well for what its worth i side with what SCB is saying,the confusion is that the ref put the blue exclusion light on ,in league racing on the last lap the rule is crystal clear-award the race,but the SGP is differant as we are led to believe from years of watching that no matter what you cant declare the race finished if he excludes someone,the blue light cleary came on so the only option is to re run it.Thats what we are led to beleive year in year out.Someone somewhere should make the rules crystal clear,not even nigel,kelvin,louis ermolenko and alot of fans didnt know the rule ,its so stupid not to have a crystal clear decion to make that everyone understands.

while im on that issue who knew the 2 minutes warning in re runs was not done by the ref. but some director of speedway?!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited May 26, 2012 by speedy den boy

[lucifer sam]

Well for what its worth i side with what SCB is saying,the confusion is that the ref put the blue exclusion light on ,in league racing on the last lap the rule is crystal clear-award the race,but the SGP is differant as we are led to believe from years of watching that no matter what you cant declare the race finished if he excludes someone,the blue light cleary came on so the only option is to re run it.Thats what we are led to beleive year in year out.Someone somewhere should make the rules crystal clear,not even nigel,kelvin,louis ermolenko and alot of fans didnt know the rule ,its so stupid not to have a crystal clear decion to make that everyone understands.

 

The rule has been the same for nealry 40 years, and is perfectly clear...

 

Craig Ackroyd applied that rule as it should be today.

 

All the best

Rob

[stevebrum]

WELL DONE FREDDIE. So proud of you. Lets hope its the start of something for him. He has the talent.

 

Welcome back to dirty Nicki. The only one who cant see its HIS fault.

[spook]

tbh i'm not sure I see the reason for the semantics in the thread over the result of Semi 1.......... it is obvious that common sense prevailed...... as great as he is Crumpy was never getting 2nd in those final few seconds..... and after taking sensible avoiding action his point shouldnt be in doubt either

 

What should be debated long and hard for the next two weeks is the behaviour of NickiP ..... is he back? yes and good luck to him/his tuner while they get away with it........ but that has nothing to do with his outrageous behaviour at the end of that heat and his subsequent comments about THJ ............... pantomime villain or not he took a rider out at full speed down a straight and risked not injury to himself.. but the other rider

[speedy den boy]

The rule has been the same for nealry 40 years, and is perfectly clear...

 

Craig Ackroyd applied that rule as it should be today.

 

All the best

Rob

 

All i want is to understand the rules-how come nigel,kelvin,louis ermolenko couldnt help? right or wrong what did you think the rule was? say if the same thing happened on the back straight of the last lap?Im not having a go its what we are led to beleive in gps-and what about the 2mins warning for riders in re runs-did you know that rule the its NOT DOWN TO THE REF

[HenryW]

tbh i'm not sure I see the reason for the semantics in the thread over the result of Semi 1.......... it is obvious that common sense prevailed...... as great as he is Crumpy was never getting 2nd in those final few seconds..... and after taking sensible avoiding action his point shouldnt be in doubt either

 

What should be debated long and hard for the next two weeks is the behaviour of NickiP ..... is he back? yes and good luck to him/his tuner while they get away with it........ but that has nothing to do with his outrageous behaviour at the end of that heat and his subsequent comments about THJ ............... pantomime villain or not he took a rider out at full speed down a straight and risked not injury to himself.. but the other rider

Ouch. The bolded bit sounds like a suggestion that you think that Nicki's bikes aren't legal. Would you like to clarify whether that was your aim?

 

The end of the Czech Gp and the start of this one were reminiscent of his dominant year in 2007. He wasn't necessarily dropping the clutch the fastest but was driving to the first turn amazingly well.

 

As for his move on THJ. It was a GP semi final. Should he just sit back and settle for 3rd or actually try and make a pass? As it turned out, he picked up coming out of the corner and lifted which took him further out towards THJ than he probably planned to which caused the incident.

I was initially surprised by his finger wagging reaction to the crash, but I actually thought that his interview kinda made some sense. After lifting and heading out towards THJ, he apparently thought that THJ would get out the way rather than holding his ground and accepting a crash...or at least, that's how I took his words. If that is how he meant it, I can say in all honesty, I think he is probably right with that statement. Plenty of riders would have moved over and just let him by, but THJ wasn't to be denied on home shale and just stuck around and took the fall....and well done to him for doing that.

 

What tonight did prove was that Nicki IS back, and personally I love that he is....I was starting to worry that we had lost him after the last couple of GP seasons.

 

Now all I need to make me really happy in my SGP viewing is for Emil to get back in gear

[Dave_minall]

Immediatly, NOT 3 second later after the leader has crossed the line.

 

 

You can't expect a man to remember a rule which (as far as I know) has not actually been referred to in modern day speedway, and immediately act upon it within 3 seconds? Come on. We're only human.

 

At the end of the day, his decision was bang on correct and that's all we need from a referee.

[BigFatDave]

Well Done Freddie! A great GP and a deserving Victor!