salty Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Right decision by the ref, whichever way he arrived at it. Got to love Nicki, saying THJ threw it down - I don't know how he keeps his face straight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 (edited) There are 12 volumes of the FIM rulebook (I won them in a quiz) and such an eventuality is covered. Basically if one (or more) riders have completed the race, then the ref can award the positions based on the positions at the time of the incident. That's waht happened tonight. I wish the SKy TV crew knew the rules, and then there wouldn't be all the confusion on here. All the best Rob I agree with you but Greg had not finished the race. Do it could not be awarded. If Greg had been 30 metres further away then the referee would have been right. One other thing, top 6 covered by 12 points. So all to play for. Edited May 26, 2012 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Seems like very good refereeing then - it would have an easy reflex to hit the red light button (and unfairly make Greg and THJ go again) but he stayed calm and thus allowed himself to be able to call the fair and just result. I agree with you but Greg had not finished the race. Do it could not be awarded. If Greg had been 30 metres further away then the referee would have been right. One other thing, top 6 covered by 12 points. So all to play for. But Greg did finish as the race was never stopped. Ref then calls result at time of incident that prevented further finishers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 I agree with you but Greg had not finished the race. Do it could not be awarded. If Greg had been 30 metres further away then the referee would have been right. But the race wasn't stopped mate. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 There are 12 volumes of the FIM rulebook (I won them in a quiz) and such an eventuality is covered. Basically if one (or more) riders have completed the race, then the ref can award the positions based on the positions at the time of the incident. That's waht happened tonight. If that's what happened tonight, then effectively the rule is the same as allowing races to be awarded if the riders are on the last lap. For example, if a rider was brought off on the first bend of lap 4 then the race could just continue to its conclusion and the race awarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencebel Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Congratulations Freddie... Really enjoyed this GP. Some really good racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 If that's what happened tonight, then effectively the rule is the same as allowing races to be awarded if the riders are on the last lap. For example, if a rider was brought off on the first bend of lap 4 then the race could just continue to its conclusion and the race awarded. I guess it is similar. The difference at FIM level is that at least one rider has to complete the race before it is stopped. The current rules came about following a very controversial incident in the 1973 World Final, which denied Zenon Plech a place in the run-off for first place. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonBomber Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Glad to see Lindgren win his first GP, just a shame i had my money on Lindback to win his first instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Seem white was the place to be !! .... great pass and fair play to Chris Holder who seemed pleased for Freddie getting his first GP win, and ever the gentleman Greg Hancock of course Nicki unlucky to get a bit to much drive coming off the last turn and hit THJ rather than moving him over, still a good night from the 118 118 man tho Good nights racing & welll done FAST Freddie Lindgren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 But Greg did finish as the race was never stopped. Ref then calls result at time of incident that prevented further finishers. But the race wasn't stopped mate. All the best Rob So who finished 3rd?! Nobody. As THJ never went over the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Good gp, shame my money went on Lindback and Jonasson rather than Lindgren! Spoilt slightly yet again by Pearson and Tatum... So many good races spoilt by what sounded like Tatum going into labour. Any idea on the actual crowd number? Looked poor again but hard to gauge on tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngy105 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noMUpEBcK-0 The Final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 So who finished 3rd?! Nobody. As THJ never went over the line. He doesn't have to. There's so many volumes of the FIM rulebook for me to find it tonight, but it's all in there. As long as the race is completed by at least one competitor, then the ref can award the race based on the positions at the time of the incident. I'm surprised you're taking so long to latch onto this one; you're normally very quick to assimilate the rules. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 So who finished 3rd?! Nobody. As THJ never went over the line. Crump was classified as 3rd and THJ 2nd - neither crossed the line but were declared in those positions by the ref as those were the positions they held when Nicki was rightly excluded and Greg completed the race. Not really very difficult unless of course you happen to be someone that wants to start an arguement in an empty room!! Are you Nicki in disguise!!??!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 SCB, i'm trying to send you a message? Is your inbox full? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 (edited) http://www.fim-live....exesCCP_en2.pdf 070.10.13 Foul or dangerous riding The Referee shall immediately disqualify any rider team whom he considers indulges in foul, unfair or dangerous riding. There shall be no protest or appeal against a Referee’s decision to declare a heat completed or as to his statement of foul, unfair or dangerous riding. If, in the opinion of the Referee, such conduct produces an advantage to the rider (or team) involved or affects the chances of one or more riders, the Referee may stop the heat and order a re-run. If any rider is unable to cross the finish line as a result of foul, unfair or dangerous riding on the part of another rider who, in consequence, has been disqualified, the disadvantaged rider shall be deemed to have finished the heat in the placing held immediately before the foul, unfair or dangerous riding and allowing for any advancement in placing following the disqualification of the guilty rider. A similar system shall apply for a rider/sidecar team who, in the opinion of the Referee, has deliberately laid down his machine or has left the course in the interest of safety. 070.10.17 Finish of a heat The finish of a heat shall occur in the case of any of the following circumstances. a) when the front part of the front wheel of the motorcycle (whilst attached to the machine) passes over the finishing line after completing the appropriate number of laps provided the Competitor is in contact with his motorcycle. b )when the referee has awarded the heat as provided for in these regulations. 070.10.18 False finish When a heat has been indicated as finished by display of the black-and-white chequered flag before the required number of laps has been completed by the leading rider, the Referee must declare the heat void and order a rerun. If the black-and-white chequered flag has not been shown after the completion of the required number of laps, the flag shall be considered to have been shown. 070.10.19 Rerun heat If an accident on the track occurs and, in the opinion of the Referee, it is dangerous for the heat to continue, he must stop the heat. Only the Referee is empowered to order a heat to be stopped. Any rider who, for any reason, is deemed to have been the primary cause of the heat being stopped shall be disqualified from the rerun. A reserve rider is not permitted to take their place. The Referee may permit any rider who has fallen as a result of having been fouled or because they have deliberately laid down their motorcycle or left the course in the interest of safety to take part in the rerun. In such cases any outside assistance may be ignored. If a Referee declares the heat over after one or more riders have crossed the finish line, it shall not be re-run. Except in very special circumstances and situations that are beyond the control of the referee and have influenced the heat result. Then a heat can be re-run. Only the referee can take this decision and order a re-run. Any rider eligible to take part in a rerun may change their motorcycle for the rerun. A reserve rider is permitted to replace a rider who has injured himself or damaged his motorcycle but who has not been deemed to be the primary cause of the heat being stopped. When taking part in a rerun, riders must start from their original starting positions and any permitted reserve rider must occupy the position of the rider he is replacing. My emphases Edited as posted twice! Edited May 26, 2012 by NeilWatson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 (edited) Cheers Neil - just proves what I was saying. Spot on refereeing from Craig Ackroyd. All the best Rob Edited May 26, 2012 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 The real Nicki is back. Looking good but pulling desperate moves when he needs to. And Nigel is right, you can't award races. THJ didn't finish! SORRY but the referee (Craig Ackroyd) was absolutely correct. Seems like very good refereeing then - it would have an easy reflex to hit the red light button (and unfairly make Greg and THJ go again) but he stayed calm and thus allowed himself to be able to call the fair and just result. But Greg did finish as the race was never stopped. Ref then calls result at time of incident that prevented further finishers. CORRECT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 The Referee shall immediately disqualify any rider team whom he considers indulges in foul, unfair or dangerous riding. Immediatly, NOT 3 second later after the leader has crossed the line. You can only award a heat that has finished but Nicki was excluded, so he was excluded immediately, thus the heat was not completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 So, if that is the most recent rule book then it means FIM races CAN be awarded. So why do they keep saying they can't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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