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There are 12 volumes of the FIM rulebook (I won them in a quiz) and such an eventuality is covered. Basically if one (or more) riders have completed the race, then the ref can award the positions based on the positions at the time of the incident. That's waht happened tonight.

 

I wish the SKy TV crew knew the rules, and then there wouldn't be all the confusion on here.

 

All the best

Rob

I agree with you but Greg had not finished the race. Do it could not be awarded. If Greg had been 30 metres further away then the referee would have been right.

 

 

One other thing, top 6 covered by 12 points. So all to play for.

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Seems like very good refereeing then - it would have an easy reflex to hit the red light button (and unfairly make Greg and THJ go again) but he stayed calm and thus allowed himself to be able to call the fair and just result.

 

I agree with you but Greg had not finished the race. Do it could not be awarded. If Greg had been 30 metres further away then the referee would have been right.

 

 

One other thing, top 6 covered by 12 points. So all to play for.

But Greg did finish as the race was never stopped. Ref then calls result at time of incident that prevented further finishers.
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There are 12 volumes of the FIM rulebook (I won them in a quiz) and such an eventuality is covered. Basically if one (or more) riders have completed the race, then the ref can award the positions based on the positions at the time of the incident. That's waht happened tonight.

 

 

If that's what happened tonight, then effectively the rule is the same as allowing races to be awarded if the riders are on the last lap. For example, if a rider was brought off on the first bend of lap 4 then the race could just continue to its conclusion and the race awarded.

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If that's what happened tonight, then effectively the rule is the same as allowing races to be awarded if the riders are on the last lap. For example, if a rider was brought off on the first bend of lap 4 then the race could just continue to its conclusion and the race awarded.

 

I guess it is similar. The difference at FIM level is that at least one rider has to complete the race before it is stopped.

 

The current rules came about following a very controversial incident in the 1973 World Final, which denied Zenon Plech a place in the run-off for first place.

 

All the best

Rob

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Seem white was the place to be !! .... great pass and fair play to Chris Holder who seemed pleased for Freddie getting his first GP win, and ever the gentleman Greg Hancock of course :D

 

Nicki unlucky to get a bit to much drive coming off the last turn and hit THJ rather than moving him over, still a good night from the 118 118 man tho :drink:

 

Good nights racing & welll done FAST Freddie Lindgren :approve:

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But Greg did finish as the race was never stopped. Ref then calls result at time of incident that prevented further finishers.

 

 

 

But the race wasn't stopped mate.

 

All the best

Rob

 

So who finished 3rd?! Nobody. As THJ never went over the line.

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Good gp, shame my money went on Lindback and Jonasson rather than Lindgren!

Spoilt slightly yet again by Pearson and Tatum... So many good races spoilt by what sounded like Tatum going into labour.

 

Any idea on the actual crowd number? Looked poor again but hard to gauge on tv.

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So who finished 3rd?! Nobody. As THJ never went over the line.

 

He doesn't have to. There's so many volumes of the FIM rulebook for me to find it tonight, but it's all in there. As long as the race is completed by at least one competitor, then the ref can award the race based on the positions at the time of the incident.

 

I'm surprised you're taking so long to latch onto this one; you're normally very quick to assimilate the rules.

 

All the best

Rob

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So who finished 3rd?! Nobody. As THJ never went over the line.

Crump was classified as 3rd and THJ 2nd - neither crossed the line but were declared in those positions by the ref as those were the positions they held when Nicki was rightly excluded and Greg completed the race. Not really very difficult unless of course you happen to be someone that wants to start an arguement in an empty room!! Are you Nicki in disguise!!??!!
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http://www.fim-live....exesCCP_en2.pdf

 

070.10.13 Foul or dangerous riding

The Referee shall immediately disqualify any rider team whom he considers

indulges in foul, unfair or dangerous riding.

There shall be no protest or appeal against a Referee’s decision to declare a heat

completed or as to his statement of foul, unfair or dangerous riding.

If, in the opinion of the Referee, such conduct produces an advantage to the rider

(or team) involved or affects the chances of one or more riders, the Referee may

stop the heat and order a re-run.

If any rider is unable to cross the finish line as a result of foul, unfair or dangerous

riding on the part of another rider who, in consequence, has been disqualified,

the disadvantaged rider shall be deemed to have finished the heat in the placing

held immediately before the foul, unfair or dangerous riding and allowing for any

advancement in placing following the disqualification of the guilty rider.

A similar system shall apply for a rider/sidecar team who, in the opinion of the

Referee, has deliberately laid down his machine or has left the course in the

interest of safety.

070.10.17 Finish of a heat

The finish of a heat shall occur in the case of any of the following

circumstances.

a) when the front part of the front wheel of the motorcycle (whilst attached to

the machine) passes over the finishing line after completing the appropriate

number of laps provided the Competitor is in contact with his motorcycle.

b )when the referee has awarded the heat as provided for in these regulations.

070.10.18 False finish

When a heat has been indicated as finished by display of the black-and-white

chequered flag before the required number of laps has been completed by the

leading rider, the Referee must declare the heat void and order a rerun.

If the black-and-white chequered flag has not been shown after the completion

of the required number of laps, the flag shall be considered to have been shown.

070.10.19 Rerun heat

If an accident on the track occurs and, in the opinion of the Referee, it is dangerous

for the heat to continue, he must stop the heat. Only the Referee is empowered to

order a heat to be stopped.

Any rider who, for any reason, is deemed to have been the primary cause of the

heat being stopped shall be disqualified from the rerun. A reserve rider is not

permitted to take their place.

The Referee may permit any rider who has fallen as a result of having been

fouled or because they have deliberately laid down their motorcycle or left the

course in the interest of safety to take part in the rerun. In such cases any outside

assistance may be ignored.

If a Referee declares the heat over after one or more riders have crossed the

finish line, it shall not be re-run.

Except in very special circumstances and situations that are beyond

the control of the referee and have influenced the heat result.

Then a heat can be re-run. Only the referee can take this

decision and order a re-run.

Any rider eligible to take part in a rerun may change their motorcycle for the rerun.

A reserve rider is permitted to replace a rider who has injured himself or damaged

his motorcycle but who has not been deemed to be the primary cause of the heat

being stopped.

When taking part in a rerun, riders must start from their original starting positions

and any permitted reserve rider must occupy the position of the rider he is

replacing.

 

My emphases

 

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The real Nicki is back. Looking good but pulling desperate moves when he needs to.

 

And Nigel is right, you can't award races. THJ didn't finish!

 

SORRY but the referee (Craig Ackroyd) was absolutely correct.

 

Seems like very good refereeing then - it would have an easy reflex to hit the red light button (and unfairly make Greg and THJ go again) but he stayed calm and thus allowed himself to be able to call the fair and just result.

 

But Greg did finish as the race was never stopped. Ref then calls result at time of incident that prevented further finishers.

 

CORRECT

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The Referee shall immediately disqualify any rider team whom he considers

indulges in foul, unfair or dangerous riding.

Immediatly, NOT 3 second later after the leader has crossed the line.

 

You can only award a heat that has finished but Nicki was excluded, so he was excluded immediately, thus the heat was not completed.

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So, if that is the most recent rule book then it means FIM races CAN be awarded. So why do they keep saying they can't?

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