wandersome Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 cross posted from the GB vs Australia thread. Got to say that this meeting was a trully appaling advert for speedway. A very good job so few people turned up. For the first time in my life i actually left a meeting early due to boredom (i'd had enough at 10.10 and heat 13, my uncle baled after heat 12 but what seemed a 1/2 an hour before me!). Who was the referee because i can't find out who it was anywhere. Shocking display by him/her and it ought to be the last meeting they officiate. I missed why Josh Auty ended up back in heat 3 but whatever the reason it would have to be classed farcical. A farce that removed the importance and meaning of the meeting. In heat 12 Grajczonek and Campton were sat at the tapes for what seemed like 10 minutes with no sign of the GB riders, or more importantly the 2 minute warning. Did he forget. By that time did we care! I'm not even going to mention the tractor coming out for a 10 minute grade of the track 1 heat after a 20 minute delay (whilst they fixed a fence panel because of a crash) when no sign of the tractor was seen. Sorry, i just did mention it! The track was/is hopeless, Not a single proper overtake until Auty in heat 12. A depressing sight to see the effort Lewis Bridger was putting in without any headway being made on clearly slower riders. Next year's season ticket money and sponsorship money are staying firmly in my pocket until i see those physical track changes made. I'm afraid the track shape has no redeeming features. My money isn't being spent on promises or benefits of the doubt next year, it will be out when i can see those changes. finally, due to the crowd being so thin and the extra time we were getting before the start of the meeting and between heats i decided to put my old concert promoter head back on for the night and do a walk round head count! There were between 650-700 people watching last night. Anyways, hopefully, with a couple of weeks off, i'll be forgot all this and feel passionate for the Lions (if not for the track) come the next Leicester home meeting but not holding my breathe. Mick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 cross posted from the GB vs Australia thread. Got to say that this meeting was a trully appaling advert for speedway. A very good job so few people turned up. For the first time in my life i actually left a meeting early due to boredom (i'd had enough at 10.10 and heat 13, my uncle baled after heat 12 but what seemed a 1/2 an hour before me!). Who was the referee because i can't find out who it was anywhere. Shocking display by him/her and it ought to be the last meeting they officiate. I missed why Josh Auty ended up back in heat 3 but whatever the reason it would have to be classed farcical. A farce that removed the importance and meaning of the meeting. In heat 12 Grajczonek and Campton were sat at the tapes for what seemed like 10 minutes with no sign of the GB riders, or more importantly the 2 minute warning. Did he forget. By that time did we care! I'm not even going to mention the tractor coming out for a 10 minute grade of the track 1 heat after a 20 minute delay (whilst they fixed a fence panel because of a crash) when no sign of the tractor was seen. Sorry, i just did mention it! The track was/is hopeless, Not a single proper overtake until Auty in heat 12. A depressing sight to see the effort Lewis Bridger was putting in without any headway being made on clearly slower riders. Next year's season ticket money and sponsorship money are staying firmly in my pocket until i see those physical track changes made. I'm afraid the track shape has no redeeming features. My money isn't being spent on promises or benefits of the doubt next year, it will be out when i can see those changes. finally, due to the crowd being so thin and the extra time we were getting before the start of the meeting and between heats i decided to put my old concert promoter head back on for the night and do a walk round head count! There were between 650-700 people watching last night. Anyways, hopefully, with a couple of weeks off, i'll be forgot all this and feel passionate for the Lions (if not for the track) come the next Leicester home meeting but not holding my breathe. Mick. Mick, just found out the answer to your question it was tony Steele who was ref and jason attwood who was clerk of the course last night, also apparently there was about 5 people left in the stadium when the aussies did there victory parade at around 10.30pm straight after heat 15. For you to be unhappy says alot for last nights meeting at BP but it seems your not alone,3 people that i have spoken to who went last night said thats it for the season,as they have had enough of the meetings being dragged on too long up there this season and its too cold now to hang around watching a tractor. tony steele put the red lights on as he couldnt get the tractors off the track and they still went round apparently i was told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Mick, it was tony Steele who was ref and jason attwood who was clerk of the course last night, So whose fault for the unbearable delays?. Constant lack of switching the two minutes on would point at the ref, the lack of coordinating the tractors and riders would point at clerk of the course. Either way it seemed to point at a mexican standoff between the ref, the clerk and the fans patience. As the fans were the first to hit the floor can someone tell us who was last man standing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson2 Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Glad o did not go £16 to see that I don't think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Why does speedway continually shoot itself in the foot? The biggest gripe from fans is endlessly waiting around for races to start and riders being allowed to return to the pits after a false start. When will promoters, referees, clerk of the course, the bloke that keeps driving the tractor round lap after lap get the message?! I went to Coventry as usual on Friday and got back to Leicester at about the same time my husband returned from Beaumont Park last night - 10.50pm - but meetings don't start at Brandon until 8 o'clock and I also watched all of the second half Mercia Vikings match, plus demonstration rides by 14 year old Nathan Grieves, whereas Leicester's scheduled start time was 7.30pm and there were just 15 races. Diabolical to keep fans hanging around for so long in the cold. No wonder so many walked out before the end. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Why does speedway continually shoot itself in the foot? The biggest gripe from fans is endlessly waiting around for races to start and riders being allowed to return to the pits after a false start. When will promoters, referees, clerk of the course, the bloke that keeps driving the tractor round lap after lap get the message?! I went to Coventry as usual on Friday and got back to Leicester at about the same time my husband returned from Beaumont Park last night - 10.50pm - but meetings don't start at Brandon until 8 o'clock and I also watched all of the second half Mercia Vikings match, plus demonstration rides by 14 year old Nathan Grieves, whereas Leicester's scheduled start time was 7.30pm and there were just 15 races. Diabolical to keep fans hanging around for so long in the cold. No wonder so many walked out before the end. Why does speedway continually shoot itself in the foot? The biggest gripe from fans is endlessly waiting around for races to start and riders being allowed to return to the pits after a false start. When will promoters, referees, clerk of the course, the bloke that keeps driving the tractor round lap after lap get the message?! I went to Coventry as usual on Friday and got back to Leicester at about the same time my husband returned from Beaumont Park last night - 10.50pm - but meetings don't start at Brandon until 8 o'clock and I also watched all of the second half Mercia Vikings match, plus demonstration rides by 14 year old Nathan Grieves, whereas Leicester's scheduled start time was 7.30pm and there were just 15 races. Diabolical to keep fans hanging around for so long in the cold. No wonder so many walked out before the end. Need to get Ronnie Allen to ref the meeting,done agreat job at Berwick and Glasgow couple of weeks ago,on with the 2min straight away if Tapes incident,flashing the green light to riders messing at the start ,riders soon got the message Meeting over by 8.30Juniors got their match in without to much rushing about.Same at Glasgow on Sunday and beat the rain that would have definately called a halt to a slow run event. Fans can accept delays when rider s safety is concerned but not the messing about pretending to be GP stars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I'm really pleased I didn't bother with this one, going to the PLRC instead on Sunday. Leicester really do appear to be the kings of messing about. The track is still bloody awful, and don't get me started on the amount of grading that is done .............oh boy. And Speedway wonders why some clubs are in financial difficulty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Does Ronnie Allen cover meetings in the Midlands and South or is he mostly a Northern ref? Serious question because I wonder if referees are given meetings fairly near to where they live, hence Tony Steele being in charge of Leicester last night (allegedly.) Leicester really do appear to be the kings of messing about. The track is still bloody awful, and don't get me started on the amount of grading that is done .............oh boy. I really don't see how the same person can be in charge of the track and be a team manager as well, especially when Glyn, by all accounts, seems to spend most of his time grading the track. Has this scenario happened anywhere else? Edited September 19, 2012 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 cross posted from the GB vs Australia thread. Got to say that this meeting was a trully appaling advert for speedway. A very good job so few people turned up. For the first time in my life i actually left a meeting early due to boredom (i'd had enough at 10.10 and heat 13, my uncle baled after heat 12 but what seemed a 1/2 an hour before me!). Who was the referee because i can't find out who it was anywhere. Shocking display by him/her and it ought to be the last meeting they officiate. I missed why Josh Auty ended up back in heat 3 but whatever the reason it would have to be classed farcical. A farce that removed the importance and meaning of the meeting. In heat 12 Grajczonek and Campton were sat at the tapes for what seemed like 10 minutes with no sign of the GB riders, or more importantly the 2 minute warning. Did he forget. By that time did we care! I'm not even going to mention the tractor coming out for a 10 minute grade of the track 1 heat after a 20 minute delay (whilst they fixed a fence panel because of a crash) when no sign of the tractor was seen. Sorry, i just did mention it! The track was/is hopeless, Not a single proper overtake until Auty in heat 12. A depressing sight to see the effort Lewis Bridger was putting in without any headway being made on clearly slower riders. Next year's season ticket money and sponsorship money are staying firmly in my pocket until i see those physical track changes made. I'm afraid the track shape has no redeeming features. My money isn't being spent on promises or benefits of the doubt next year, it will be out when i can see those changes. finally, due to the crowd being so thin and the extra time we were getting before the start of the meeting and between heats i decided to put my old concert promoter head back on for the night and do a walk round head count! There were between 650-700 people watching last night. Anyways, hopefully, with a couple of weeks off, i'll be forgot all this and feel passionate for the Lions (if not for the track) come the next Leicester home meeting but not holding my breathe. Mick. I have to agree with most of what you say, i did stick it out to the bitter end, even if i did have to be up for work at 3.10am, but to finish at 10.20 was a bit of a joke. Some of the delays were unavoidable where crashes & falls had happened, but like you i found it unbelieveable that after a 20 minute delay for repairing the fence they then graded the track after the re-run ,why didn't they do it while the fence was being repaired ? Also the first race didn't get under way until about 7.50 why didn't the riders just do a quick parade lap like they do in league matches, surely they was no need for rider introductions & national anthems.The referees must start to get the meetings moving on more quickly & should take alot of the blame.I felt a bit sorry for David Hemsley, because the meeting on paper had all the potential to be a good occassion, with some of the best talent from the GB & Australia on show but for a number of reasons it just wasn't a good advert for speedway, & with the size of the crowd i would suspect he made a loss on the night, which is a shame.I doubt he will run a meeting on a tuesday night again in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Does Ronnie Allen cover meetings in the Midlands and South or is he mostly a Northern ref? Serious question because I wonder if referees are given meetings fairly near to where they live, hence Tony Steele being in charge of Leicester last night (allegedly.) [/font][/color] I really don't see how the same person can be in charge of the track and be a team manager as well, especially when Glyn, by all accounts, seems to spend most of his time grading the track. Has this scenario happened anywhere else? because unlike you females us guys can multi task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Does Ronnie Allen cover meetings in the Midlands and South or is he mostly a Northern ref? Serious question because I wonder if referees are given meetings fairly near to where they live, hence Tony Steele being in charge of Leicester last night (allegedly.) [/font][/color] I really don't see how the same person can be in charge of the track and be a team manager as well, especially when Glyn, by all accounts, seems to spend most of his time grading the track. Has this scenario happened anywhere else? Think the refs are covering all over the country Dont think Ronnie Allen is based in the north and is not at Berwick that often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Think the refs are covering all over the country Dont think Ronnie Allen is based in the north and is not at Berwick that often Ronnie Allen lives south of Bristol in Clevedon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Ronnie Allen lives south of Bristol in Clevedon. Ronnie Allen lives south of Bristol in Clevedon. Ronnie Allen lives south of Bristol in Clevedon. Ronnie Allen lives south of Bristol in Clevedon. Thanks,knew him when he was in Scotland in the Sixties,Pretty sure he was the man who set Pernod sponsership for Ivan Mauger and was involved with him for anumber of years.Knew he was in Bristol years ago but wasn't sure if he was still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Thanks,knew him when he was in Scotland in the Sixties,Pretty sure he was the man who set Pernod sponsership for Ivan Mauger and was involved with him for anumber of years.Knew he was in Bristol years ago but wasn't sure if he was still there. it wasn`t that good to quote it 4 times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 it wasn`t that good to quote it 4 times Perhaps somone can tell me why this happens although it is usually only twice Have no ides why this happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson2 Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Well Leicester speedway have oplagised for last night and if fans can tell them what can be done to make it better they say that there are some things that they know needs changing but they would like to know what we think. A bit late for that for some fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Leicester Lions Speedway Team about an hour ago Apology Last night’s meeting should have been a night to remember but for many reasons it did not turn out that way and we apologise for the length of time it took to complete. Apart from one or two occasions when things have not gone so smoothly we think we can all say that overall the season has been a success. People have said just that, but we are not foolish to think that everything is perfect. So we would like to hear from you about the things where we fall short so we can address the issues. Some we will be aware of and are currently being addressed and others will no doubt be surprises so don’t hold back. We will be handing out feedback forms at our next meeting on Friday 28th September so give us the good, the bad and the ugly and we promise to publish the findings and what we are going to do about addressing the issues. David and Alan I think that's fair enough. Edited September 19, 2012 by mrcts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Leicester have just released an e-mail to all e-mail subscribers apologising for the length last nights meeting took to complete. They say they realise things aren't perfect and are going to hand out feedback forms at the next meeting so fans can have there say & all the results will made public.This is good news but can't help thinking they should hand the forms out at the 1st play-off meeting when they will be a much bigger crowd & will get a bigger response, rather than hand them out at the development league meeting when with all due respect to the young lads competing i don't the crowd will be particularly big especially as its on a friday rather than the usual weekend meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson2 Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 This should have been done at the end of last season. But i hope they will listen to the fans this time and do the things the say there going to do to put things right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Leicester have just released an e-mail to all e-mail subscribers apologising for the length last nights meeting took to complete. They say they realise things aren't perfect and are going to hand out feedback forms at the next meeting so fans can have there say & all the results will made public.This is good news but can't help thinking they should hand the forms out at the 1st play-off meeting when they will be a much bigger crowd & will get a bigger response, rather than hand them out at the development league meeting when with all due respect to the young lads competing i don't the crowd will be particularly big especially as its on a friday rather than the usual weekend meeting. Good to see an apology made - takes big men to do that and i appreciate it. There were difficult circumstances especially the considerable damage to the fence early on but the lengthy track grading and then the slowness in getting riders out on track compounded those delays. Still fair play that the club recognise there need to be improvements and that's a positive thing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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