bornagainlion Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) Warren, my bad as ever. the first paragragh of my response was a reply to your post, the rest of my post was generalised. I certainly didn't mean to be having a go at you specifically. Mick. No worries I was interested in your post but didn't know any facts to support an argument for or against. Unlike you I think there have been some decent meetings this year apart from last week but then again like you I'd say the first three were pretty dour. All this said if it's still all about the track then anyone who watched the first 7 heats of last nights Sky Premier League will know even so called great racing tracks like the OTA can have meetings with little or no passes (apart from breakdowns) Btw I haven't watched the rest I yet I fell asleep Apologies to the Rebels and all at the OTA the 2nd half of the meeting was good and I enjoyed it. Would have put earlier but thread was locked!!! Cheers Warren Edited May 28, 2012 by bornagainlion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) PS: I think bornagainlion is fairly accurate in his assessment above, apart from the bit about an epiphany - that would never happen! But surely it needs the epiphany to pull the strands of that theory together. Mick. Edited May 23, 2012 by volty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 ! Glyn's re-appointment is well, frankly bewildering, in so much as his acceptance of it given his views last December. As i see it, that's the trouble with this turn of events though. For it all to be laid at the door of a tyrannical Hemsley is, as you put it, frankly bewildering. If it's not all Hemsleys doing then this turn of events doesn't become half as bewildering at all. for example, what, say, if Glyn didn't know the full facts when he made the initial outburst on here but does now.. Mick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Warren, It's also true that Jason didn't appear to have any tactical awareness at all or i would have to sumise his 'team leadership' skills were getting in the way of actually making any on track decisions for fear of upsetting riders. I have to say, we've had 3 months of people calling David Hemsley blind on thread after thread for not changing the track (including this one). We've also had 6 pages of people 'Lionising' Jason Attwood and yet over the last week what has been played out has made it increasing apparent that here is the person whose 'team leading' skills have left us with the dog of a track we still have. No response to my post, no response to other people who point out the same. I know i'm probably being pilloried for this but i'm standing up to be counted on this one. I think there has been a 'cult of personality' going on at Leicester and unfortunately for some, including the man himself for listening to the wrong man, it isn't David Hemsley. So where are all the thoughts of the Lionsden's and Robert 72's.. You've spent months going on about it but finally the person who didn't want to change the track IS GONE and yet all of a sudden it's gone quiet. Unfortunately for some David Hemsley is still there. Mick. The thing is Mick is that the Leicester track isn't a 'dog'. Dogs don't produce a meeting of the quality that I saw against Scunthorpe. So the much maligned shape isn't, after all, completely to blame because if you can produce a meeting like that once you can do it again. It seems that fingers should not be pointed at David Hemsley so much (and, to his great credit, he is the most visible promoter I have seen for a long time - every time I am there, he is wandering round talking to people) as at the Leicester riders. I suspect that the theory that they were responsible for the change in surface to the appalling one against Plymouth is true. Its one reason why I have always said that you prepare tracks for spectators, not riders, because spectators pay, riders get paid. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 The thing is Mick is that the Leicester track isn't a 'dog'. Dogs don't produce a meeting of the quality that I saw against Scunthorpe. So the much maligned shape isn't, after all, completely to blame because if you can produce a meeting like that once you can do it again. It seems that fingers should not be pointed at David Hemsley so much (and, to his great credit, he is the most visible promoter I have seen for a long time - every time I am there, he is wandering round talking to people) as at the Leicester riders. I suspect that the theory that they were responsible for the change in surface to the appalling one against Plymouth is true. Its one reason why I have always said that you prepare tracks for spectators, not riders, because spectators pay, riders get paid. I agree HT with your post,it what i tried to say earlier,i have been to BP this year twice now,both with Scunny,first time the meeting was awfull and the track seemed to offer the riders no chance of passing unless a rider made a mistake,the second time ,2 weeks ago it seemed to offer the riders a bit of everything,if you gated or not,there seemed to be a chance of a pass in most of the heats.but there did seem some in the home camp that didnt seem happy with the track,which is a shame as they won the bloody meeting!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Like I said awhile ago the set up is a mess, who will leave next and why? The one good thing with glyn strange return is maybe he will get his way and change the shape but who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I suppose time will tell. I just hope that all these ideas Glynn has can wait a while as I think at the moment changes to the set up is the last thing we need but I could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 ok I promise I will never post on this forum again, or even read it. The best thing that could happen is that Leicester closes once again, never to return as they, for some unknown reason seem to be hated in the speedway world. If Leicester ever went the same way as Newport, Weymouth, or any other track that has asked for supporters to e-mail, write, phone, whatever their support, I wouldn't expect anyone to respond. In return, I will never again support any track in trouble as I really couldn't give a toss if they close or not. Enjoy your speedway folks & if you hate Leicester so much, then save your £15 quid & stay at home instead, & maybe when we fold again you can all say "we told you so, & we are over the moon", pathetic. Up the Lions!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 What is Glynn Taylor's record as a Team Manager, and has he ever been a Team Manager? As far as I am aware his expertise is as a Track Curator. For me the appointment seems very strange, sacked from one job to be re employed doing another job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballroom Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Like I said awhile ago the set up is a mess, who will leave next and why? The one good thing with glyn strange return is maybe he will get his way and change the shape but who knows The actual reality is that Leicester Lions Speedway club consistently get top marks in the weekly feedback forms that the official SCB referee has to complete at each match. This includes punctuality, track preparation, programme, administration, performance of key officials and a host of other criteria. This would suggest that the set-up is actually first class. Anyway, why is the set-up a concern for you - unless you just wanted to moan and whinge at everything? Your position is that of a fan who pays to watch a product, in this case 15 heats of Speedway (but you don't go anymore as you seem to delight in telling us). As a fan you are merely a customer, you can chose to go or not (in your case not). It gives you no rights, no executive power, no management input. The management of Leicester Speedway club or the `set-up` is therefore nothing to do with you. By paying your £16 (when you did) that solely entitled you to see 15 heats. Nothing else. It did not give your any rights or power in the running of the business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) The thing is Mick is that the Leicester track isn't a 'dog'. Dogs don't produce a meeting of the quality that I saw against Scunthorpe. So the much maligned shape isn't, after all, completely to blame because if you can produce a meeting like that once you can do it again. Its one reason why I have always said that you prepare tracks for spectators, not riders, because spectators pay, riders get paid. Whilst agreeing with the last two lines i'm not sure i agree with the first (well, obviously i don't being the person who said it was a dog!). I do remember reading a comment on the track debate thread from someone who rode in the flat track meeting. I know flat track isn't speedway but i guess the principle of what happens with bike and track are the same. Basically the point he was making was because of the shape, i guess because everyone is carrying a lot of speed down what ends up being a very narrow corridor, not grippy enough ends up a procession, if you get the track grippy enough it might be good but it would be a very fine line between that and slightly too much grip making the track dangerous. The original post was well worth reading, unfortunately though you'd need to wade through the forum's worst ever thread to find it Mick. Edited May 24, 2012 by volty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 I think everyone has had there say on this topic now. Enjoy your speedway and the nice weather. Big Track changes could never happen during the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Speedway needs as many supporters as possible, think about how to help promote the sport rather than risk damaging it. Constructive criticism and suggestions on improvement rather than negative and damaging attacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) The actual reality is that Leicester Lions Speedway club consistently get top marks in the weekly feedback forms that the official SCB referee has to complete at each match. This includes punctuality, track preparation, programme, administration, performance of key officials and a host of other criteria. This would suggest that the set-up is actually first class. So you have stated everything is FIRST CLASS ? What about the track and the lack of entertainment on it,surely racing and overtaking is what fans pay there money to see,leicester does'nt have a track fit for this to happen,the main thing people go to watch is racing. Anyway, why is the set-up a concern for you - unless you just wanted to moan and whinge at everything? Your position is that of a fan who pays to watch a product, in this case 15 heats of Speedway (but you don't go anymore as you seem to delight in telling us). As a fan you are merely a customer, you can chose to go or not (in your case not). It gives you no rights, no executive power, no management input. The management of Leicester Speedway club or the `set-up` is therefore nothing to do with you. So my input of a former paying customer doesnt mean anything or that of hundreds of fans who no longer attend leicester speedway matter either,are you for real of course it matters, the first thing i would want to know is why speedway fans like myself and others are no longer wanting to go and i would want to fix the problem because simply i would want there money coming into my buisness and for everyone to be happy with the product they are paying good money to watch as that would then hopefully through word of mouth bring new fans into the sport if the product is that good. Speedway can be an awesome sport to watch if the track is good and you have a bunch of exciting riders out there able to race. As you say its nothing to do with me or any other speedway fan who many of us have probally put more money into speedway than you have or you ever will put into it. didnt sudden sam say something about leicester and that he wouldnt go but i guess its got nothing to do with him either. you need to wake up before you write silly things. By paying your £16 (when you did) that solely entitled you to see 15 heats. Nothing else. It did not give your any rights or power in the running of the business. Without fans speedway doesnt excist, if leicester dont make track changes more fans will disapear and leicester speedway may not excist, its a sad fact, you seem to think its just £15 leicester are losing from me alone,what about the other 4 adults that came with me that no longer go and the hundreds of others, you dont seem like you would be very clever at running a buisness. my reply in red Edited May 28, 2012 by robert72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd7244 Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 The thing is Mick is that the Leicester track isn't a 'dog'. Dogs don't produce a meeting of the quality that I saw against Scunthorpe. So the much maligned shape isn't, after all, completely to blame because if you can produce a meeting like that once you can do it again. It seems that fingers should not be pointed at David Hemsley so much (and, to his great credit, he is the most visible promoter I have seen for a long time - every time I am there, he is wandering round talking to people) as at the Leicester riders. I suspect that the theory that they were responsible for the change in surface to the appalling one against Plymouth is true. Its one reason why I have always said that you prepare tracks for spectators, not riders, because spectators pay, riders get paid. Totally agree with you on the last paragraph. But unfortunately, Glynn doesn't seem to agree with us. In the "Star" last week, he stated that he had specifically prepared the track with more grip on the inside of the track to help the reserves! It obviously worked, but was the racing any better? JohnD7244 Enjoy your speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainlion Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 The actual reality is that Leicester Lions Speedway club consistently get top marks in the weekly feedback forms that the official SCB referee has to complete at each match. This includes punctuality, track preparation, programme, administration, performance of key officials and a host of other criteria. This would suggest that the set-up is actually first class. Anyway, why is the set-up a concern for you - unless you just wanted to moan and whinge at everything? Your position is that of a fan who pays to watch a product, in this case 15 heats of Speedway (but you don't go anymore as you seem to delight in telling us). As a fan you are merely a customer, you can chose to go or not (in your case not). It gives you no rights, no executive power, no management input. The management of Leicester Speedway club or the `set-up` is therefore nothing to do with you. By paying your £16 (when you did) that solely entitled you to see 15 heats. Nothing else. It did not give your any rights or power in the running of the business. And to think we got all these accolades from the SCB with that chancer Jason Attwood "filling in score cards for petrol money" these SCB officials are a bright lot A bit like yourself paying £16 when it's only £15 to get in or are you that well connected you don't pay and can only remember the price at Peterborough ??? As for not having a say when you've paid good money to watch something/be entertained it may not give you rights but if I went to see a movie, watch football or go to the theatre I can have an opinion. As a "customer" I would expect a busniess to have some more interest than just getting my money if their long term plans are partly dependant on me giving them that money weekly for 7 months of every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 So what is going on at leicester ? Well the riders are refusing to ride when its Sunny,leaving the fans having to stand and wait till the sun goes down,it didnt happen last season so why are riders not wanting to ride when the sun is out this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 So what is going on at leicester ? Well the riders are refusing to ride when its Sunny,leaving the fans having to stand and wait till the sun goes down,it didnt happen last season so why are riders not wanting to ride when the sun is out this season? It did happen last season at exactly this time of year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 It did happen last season at exactly this time of year. I dont remember this happening last season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainlion Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 There were 2 or 3 breaks for sun last season. This year there have been 2 already. The first was at the request of the Somerset riders and it was pretty obvious they came off far ealier than any time it happened last season resulting in close to an hours waiting. A betting man might put money on the fact Somerset were struggling like mad in the first few heats it added to their need to come off but let's give them benefit of the doubt. Last weekend the "sun off" was used as the interval so no real problem. Riders aren't refusing to ride when it's sunny just a little concerned about going into tight bends and not being able to see anything because they are blinded by the glare. No disrepect to you but I personally would rather wait 10 to 20 minutes for the sun to go down (during the interval) than spend the same time if not more while paramedics attend to a rider stuck in the airfence or worse. Cheers Warren 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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