What Is Going On At Leicester ?

[wandersome]

i.exciting and interesting time's ahead for the loin's

 

Blooming eck Neb, you need to get a room!

 

Mick.

[TMW]

i would agree and say you are spot on.it has to be better to have an all rounder such as glyn in the pits who can help out rider's with setup's and any mechanical problems they may have,the package has to be good with him being an ex rider a currant engine tuner and track curator.i just hope he has'ent taken on to much it will be interesting to see if eric boocock come's on board this week.exciting and interesting time's ahead for the loin's

 

I don't deny he has all these skills and will be an assett to the Lions but how come other clubs weren't clambering for the skills you mention and not in great demand to the highest bidder. Ummmmm it is a poser

[WIE-JA]

I've now added my 2 and 2 and made the following 5.

 

How close do you think i am?

Mick.

 

Not very close. I do hope you're not an accountant as you've made about 25 with your theory.

[wandersome]

Not very close. I do hope you're not an accountant as you've made about 25 with your theory.

 

but going on how you generally see 25 passes in most races at BP, i'm not sure, not being an accountant an' all, but doesn't 2 + 2 = 25? anyways, you're not Jason Attwood are you? which bits do you think are wide of the mark?

 

Mick.

Edited May 22, 2012 by volty

[Tsunami]

I don't deny he has all these skills and will be an assett to the Lions but how come other clubs weren't clambering for the skills you mention and not in great demand to the highest bidder. Ummmmm it is a poser

 

Not really a poser if you think about it.

Glyn is an engine tuner for both speedway and small racing bikes. that is his business. He is an established track builder, Redcar and Somerset, and is a recognised track man and has worked at many venues. Team managers tend to be stable, so not that many opportunities unless of course if it is Leicester.

[TMW]

Not really a poser if you think about it.

Glyn is an engine tuner for both speedway and small racing bikes. that is his business. He is an established track builder, Redcar and Somerset, and is a recognised track man and has worked at many venues. Team managers tend to be stable, so not that many opportunities unless of course if it is Leicester.

 

In my experience as Team Leader and Teacher. There is a difference between leading a team and ruling a team. I do hope Glyn's approach is the former. as there has been much mention of his peope management skills.

Edited May 22, 2012 by TMW

[LionLover]

Leave Lasse alone; Not his fault that Leicester track doesn't conduct over-taking.

 

Totally agree with you, Lasse will be the next big thing at BP as long as he stays and isn't pushed out by DH.

[wandersome]

In my experience as Team Leader and Teacher. There is a difference between leading a team and ruling a team. I do hope Glyn's approach is the former. as there has been much mention of his peope management skills.

 

I don't think this has quite come out correctly so i'm not sure the point you are making TMW.

 

Mick.

[Tsunami]

In my experience as Team Leader and Teacher. There is a difference between leading a team and ruling a team. I do hope Glyn's approach is the former. as there has been much mention of his peope management skills.

 

Interesting but different skills are needed for different riders and different occasions. In Glyn's case, when he rode for us 1997, he used to insist he was told he was say a tac sub, rather than be asked to do it. As you will know as a Team Leader and Teacher, there is no one way of dealing with folks. Everyone is different in different circumstances, and it is the skill of the leader to be able to read the signs and treat the individuals in a way that it brings out the best of that individual.

[bornagainlion]

Not really a poser if you think about it. Glyn is an engine tuner for both speedway and small racing bikes. that is his business. He is an established track builder, Redcar and Somerset, and is a recognised track man and has worked at many venues. Team managers tend to be stable, so not that many opportunities unless of course if it is Leicester.

 

All great that Leicester is getting this experience back but none of the above mentions previous Team management???

 

Interesting but different skills are needed for different riders and different occasions. In Glyn's case, when he rode for us 1997, he used to insist he was told he was say a tac sub, rather than be asked to do it. As you will know as a Team Leader and Teacher, there is no one way of dealing with folks. Everyone is different in different circumstances, and it is the skill of the leader to be able to read the signs and treat the individuals in a way that it brings out the best of that individual.

 

So you could say Glyn was more submissive than assertive in preferring to be told what to do. Not a particularly positive Leadership trait. The sentence in bold is spot on in what is required for managing/leading people but having all the experience you mention in the first quoted post doesn't mean anyone would necessarily have those skills of understanding and recognising what makes people tick and how to get the best out of them?

 

I hope Glyn does have these skills in abundance, keeps this team together and makes them over achieve then I'm sure all the Lions fans, including me, will be happy but if management/leadership is about people skills Jason Attwood is a tough act to follow IMO.

[Drac]

 

 

 

 

What nonsense. I bet your loving this news - another chance to spin your never ending doom and gloom.

 

However, this is brilliant news for the Lions. Whilst Jason fulfilled the role he brought little to it, lacking any experience and not being involved in the sport to any decree before.

 

The Lions now have Glynn back (so much for Hemsleys apparent arrogance) and one of Englands greatest riders, and experienced team managers in Eric Boocock, in tow.

 

The change also brings back Glynns experience with the track to perhaps add to the great work Garath in doing.

 

The Lions are riding high, the biggest sponsor in the PL, experienced administrators, increasingly better racing at BP, great programme and facilities improving all the time. How pathetic are they the few on here, so called fans, who seem to want Leicester to fail, who moan and whinge at every turn.

 

DH strikes again.

Edited May 23, 2012 by Drac

[wandersome]

All great that Leicester is getting this experience back but none of the above mentions previous Team management???

I hope Glyn does have these skills in abundance, keeps this team together and makes them over achieve then I'm sure all the Lions fans, including me, will be happy but if management/leadership is about people skills Jason Attwood is a tough act to follow IMO.

 

Warren, It's also true that Jason didn't appear to have any tactical awareness at all or i would have to sumise his 'team leadership' skills were getting in the way of actually making any on track decisions for fear of upsetting riders.

I have to say, we've had 3 months of people calling David Hemsley blind on thread after thread for not changing the track (including this one). We've also had 6 pages of people 'Lionising' Jason Attwood and yet over the last week what has been played out has made it increasing apparent that here is the person whose 'team leading' skills have left us with the dog of a track we still have. No response to my post, no response to other people who point out the same. I know i'm probably being pilloried for this but i'm standing up to be counted on this one. I think there has been a 'cult of personality' going on at Leicester and unfortunately for some, including the man himself for listening to the wrong man, it isn't David Hemsley.

 

So where are all the thoughts of the Lionsden's and Robert 72's.. You've spent months going on about it but finally the person who didn't want to change the track IS GONE and yet all of a sudden it's gone quiet. Unfortunately for some David Hemsley is still there.

 

Mick.

Edited May 23, 2012 by volty

[ballroom]

Warren, It's also true that Jason didn't appear to have any tactical awareness at all or i would have to sumise his 'team leadership' skills were getting in the way of actually making any on track decisions for fear of upsetting riders.

I have to say, we've had 3 months of people calling David Hemsley blind on thread after thread for not changing the track (including this one). We've also had 6 pages of people 'Lionising' Jason Attwood and yet over the last week what has been played out has made it increasing apparent that here is the person whose 'team leading' skills have left us with the dog of a track we still have. No response to my post, no response to other people who point out the same. I know i'm probably being pilloried for this but i'm standing up to be counted on this one. I think there has been a 'cult of personality' going on at Leicester and unfortunately for some, including the man himself for listening to the wrong man, it isn't David Hemsley.

 

So where are all the thoughts of the Lionsden's and Robert 72's.. You've spent months going on about it but finally the person who didn't want to change the track IS GONE and yet all of a sudden it's gone quiet. Unfortunately for some David Hemsley is still there.

 

Mick.

 

All the above is spot-on. There was a big outcry when Glynn left, with people blaming Hemsley, surely now hes back people have got what they wanted? As well as Jasons issues with the track, it really shows how ill-informed some people (who sole agenda seems to be the disparaging of Hemsley and Leicester Lions at every turn), that they think Jason had any power at all. He filled in the programme. He was not involved in contract negotiations in any way, so any suggestion he played any meaningful role in either hiring or firing is nonsense. Hemsley and Jones signed the team. As in any other sport, the riders know where the power lies, not with a powerless team manager but those that pay them. It really show the nativity of some people who have posted on this thread of the role Speedway team manager. Only Rossiter and Drury, to a lesser extent Middleditch, have any real influence in team affairs in the whole sport. To underscore this, these three are the only ones who actually get paid, the rest do it for expeses only in virtually every other case.

[Tsunami]

All great that Leicester is getting this experience back but none of the above mentions previous Team management???

 

 

 

So you could say Glyn was more submissive than assertive in preferring to be told what to do. Not a particularly positive Leadership trait. The sentence in bold is spot on in what is required for managing/leading people but having all the experience you mention in the first quoted post doesn't mean anyone would necessarily have those skills of understanding and recognising what makes people tick and how to get the best out of them?

 

I hope Glyn does have these skills in abundance, keeps this team together and makes them over achieve then I'm sure all the Lions fans, including me, will be happy but if management/leadership is about people skills Jason Attwood is a tough act to follow IMO.

 

I think you are reading far to much into one example of Glyn, probably for your own purposes. Glyn is certainly NOT a submissive character, he is highly knowledgeable, opinionated on most subjects and good company to be with. He has been a promotor in OZ and has lots of ideas that he shared with me at Newcastle.

[Skodaman]

I think you are reading far to much into one example of Glyn, probably for your own purposes. Glyn is certainly NOT a submissive character, he is highly knowledgeable, opinionated on most subjects and good company to be with. He has been a promotor in OZ and has lots of ideas that he shared with me at Newcastle.

 

David Hemsley told me on Sunday evening that Glyn has several ideas he wants to try on the track. He also said that all of theriders want to ride for Leicester even though Jason Has gone. David was wandering around the terraces on Sunday willing to answer any questions put to him; all you need to do is stop him and ask if you want to know anything. Please ask politely otherwise you will get no response.

Edited May 23, 2012 by Fanmale

[bornagainlion]

All the above is spot-on. There was a big outcry when Glynn left, with people blaming Hemsley, surely now hes back people have got what they wanted? As well as Jasons issues with the track, it really shows how ill-informed some people (who sole agenda seems to be the disparaging of Hemsley and Leicester Lions at every turn), that they think Jason had any power at all. He filled in the programme. He was not involved in contract negotiations in any way, so any suggestion he played any meaningful role in either hiring or firing is nonsense. Hemsley and Jones signed the team. As in any other sport, the riders know where the power lies, not with a powerless team manager but those that pay them. It really show the nativity of some people who have posted on this thread of the role Speedway team manager. Only Rossiter and Drury, to a lesser extent Middleditch, have any real influence in team affairs in the whole sport. To underscore this, these three are the only ones who actually get paid, the rest do it for expeses only in virtually every other case.

 

 

Big out cry because people think a lot of the guy as a Track Curator and perhaps people on here blamed David Hemsley for it because Glynn himself stated he had been sacked by David Hemsley for comments made regarding track alterations that should not have been in the public domain.

Powerless Team manager you say but then say Mick is spot on that this powerless man ensured we did not get the track changes.

As for expenses if you know as much as you think, and to be honest you don't you'll understand what a joke that comment is

[bornagainlion]

Warren, It's also true that Jason didn't appear to have any tactical awareness at all or i would have to sumise his 'team leadership' skills were getting in the way of actually making any on track decisions for fear of upsetting riders.

I have to say, we've had 3 months of people calling David Hemsley blind on thread after thread for not changing the track (including this one). We've also had 6 pages of people 'Lionising' Jason Attwood and yet over the last week what has been played out has made it increasing apparent that here is the person whose 'team leading' skills have left us with the dog of a track we still have. No response to my post, no response to other people who point out the same. I know i'm probably being pilloried for this but i'm standing up to be counted on this one. I think there has been a 'cult of personality' going on at Leicester and unfortunately for some, including the man himself for listening to the wrong man, it isn't David Hemsley.

 

So where are all the thoughts of the Lionsden's and Robert 72's.. You've spent months going on about it but finally the person who didn't want to change the track IS GONE and yet all of a sudden it's gone quiet. Unfortunately for some David Hemsley is still there.

 

Mick.

 

I didn't reply as I wanted to find out some facts of my own before posting and as I'm not "in the know" as some and somethings I do know I'd rather tell people face to face I didn't think your "theory" was for me to reply to. I however don't feel I'm Lionising (great new word by the way ) anyone just saying things as i see them and let's no forget it's the Lions management that came out and said they didn't want Jason to go.(possibly PR but said?) It was the Lions management that if they really wanted to carry out you Glynns wishes for track changes decided not too at then end of the season when the time was right during the mildest November to January for years. Glyn spent half an hour with me and others in the pits at the end of last year showing just what he was expecting to do to improve things.

Jason went of his own accord for reasons only him and a few people obviously really know from this thread (me not being one of them) But if you want to just chuck out theories how this. David Hemsley wants to make changes (possibly team who knows) but not the track because he says that is fine . Jason doesn't agree so leaves. David has an epiphany realises the track isn't any good and we need Glynn Taylor back to do both track and cover the vacant TM duties (it's only filling in the score card for petrol money anyone can do it ) Conveniently months after sacking a guy you need to get back stories emerge that it was Jason Attwood not wanting track alterations behind the dismissal after all.

 

Well first of all if I were Glynn I'd be looking for a bit of compo here for what was obviously a case of unfair dismissal and I'd be a little worried to return to an employer who blatantly lied whilst dismissing me but this just another 2+2=5 theory with no facts to back it up only hearsay and regurgitation of some of the rubbish on here.

 

Who knows but these nesbits are real and anything can happen on the only way is BP

 

I think you are reading far to much into one example of Glyn, probably for your own purposes. Glyn is certainly NOT a submissive character, he is highly knowledgeable, opinionated on most subjects and good company to be with. He has been a promotor in OZ and has lots of ideas that he shared with me at Newcastle.

 

I did say I hope Glynn does a good job and I don't have an agenda like some just opinions on what I see/hear. I spoke with Glynn a few times last season and he was enthusiastic and he also did a great job getting the American Tour meeting on at short notice and helped make it a real success for all concerned and all this with Jason Attwood clerk of course doing it for Glynn for nothing on his day off.

 

My biggest wish is for the rest of the season to go well, with the riders we have or others if Glynn/David Hemsley feels changes need to be made, for us to be a competitive team and hopefully with that a few more people back through the gates.

 

Cheers

Warren

Edited May 23, 2012 by bornagainlion

[LionsDen]

Not commented on this so far but as certain individuals were asking where the likes of Robert72 and myself are....

 

Glyn's sacking in the first place was handled very badly. Glyn himself has said that. Everyone knows that. A curt email whilst you're out the country is not an honourable way to sack someone - but he does have previous on that one! Glyn's re-appointment is well, frankly bewildering, in so much as his acceptance of it given his views last December. Sadly, Jason's position was getting increasingly untenable and when the promoter is openly discussing his dissatisfaction with his manager, and his desire to approach Eric Boocock, to non-essential people two weeks beforehand then it was only a matter of time before Jason was gone. That actually happened and I can imagine Jason got to hear about it, amongst other things.

 

The truth behind all this presumably remains confidential to those imediately concerned, and so it should. However, what this whole furore has done is cause yet more rumour-mongering and yet more disquiet among the supporters (and I mean away for the microcosm that is the BSF) who can't understand why one experienced track curator is sacked in December, a new curator then gets appointed (who we're all told is going to right the wrongs of last season), the racing gets a little bit better and the team tops the league (albeit briefly) only to see the team manager walk out claiming he's unsupported by the club and the new curator is replaced after just two months by the one who wasn't good enough previously! Added into which he's also given an extra job of new team manager too! No wonder people are talking about Leicester Speedway as much as they are. And no wonder the supporters end up debating off-track issues here more than at any other track. The endless questions Leicester Speedway throw out into the public domain by their seemingly never-ending and non-sensical decisions means you're always going to get that. Inevitably some will chose to stick up for them come what may, after all, we didn't even have a track for 28 years did we? Some will criticise endlessly and some will not care one jot so long as the team's doing ok. Personally, I don't care either way anymore. The promoter will get the business, the club, the team and the support his efforts deserve in the long run.

 

Knowing him as I did, my own view is that he needs to calm down a bit and stop acting like he needs to do everything immediately and falling out with anyone who spends any length of time with him! If he allowed people to get on with their jobs instead of interfering, brandishing the big stick, generally getting in people's faces and subsequently driving them away, he might find that what's obviously a difficult job becomes a slightly easier one!

 

PS: I think bornagainlion is fairly accurate in his assessment above, apart from the bit about an epiphany - that would never happen!

Edited May 23, 2012 by LionsDen

[TMW]

I don't think this has quite come out correctly so i'm not sure the point you are making TMW.

 

Mick.

 

You are right. I meant to say not much has been been mentioned of his people skills

Edited May 23, 2012 by TMW

[wandersome]

I didn't reply as I wanted to find out some facts of my own before posting and as I'm not "in the know" as some and somethings I do know I'd rather tell people face to face I didn't think your "theory" was for me to reply to. I however don't feel I'm Lionising (great new word by the way )

 

Warren, my bad as ever. the first paragragh of my response was a reply to your post, the rest of my post was generalised. I certainly didn't mean to be having a go at you specifically.

 

Mick.