greyhoundp Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 it was sad to see some of the british Under 21 guys didnt appear in this, allegedly because there was NO financial backing from The BSPA, Joe Haines, Kyle Howarth, Jason Garrity all would have given a good showing in this, and just to be left with the guys who have most money or sponsors, is a sad indictment of British Speedway. Just a question for the BSPA where did the profits from the British Under 21 Final go ??? because i was at Monmore Green, and despite the weather there was definately a very healthy crowd, some of that money could have been used to help with transport costs at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 it was sad to see some of the british Under 21 guys didnt appear in this, allegedly because there was NO financial backing from The BSPA, Joe Haines, Kyle Howarth, Jason Garrity all would have given a good showing in this, and just to be left with the guys who have most money or sponsors, is a sad indictment of British Speedway. Thats world speedway, it's the same everywhere. Well maybe not Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) it was sad to see some of the british Under 21 guys didnt appear in this, allegedly because there was NO financial backing from The BSPA, Joe Haines, Kyle Howarth, Jason Garrity all would have given a good showing in this, and just to be left with the guys who have most money or sponsors, is a sad indictment of British Speedway. Just a question for the BSPA where did the profits from the British Under 21 Final go ??? because i was at Monmore Green, and despite the weather there was definately a very healthy crowd, some of that money could have been used to help with transport costs at least. Joe Haines was quoted in the Speedway Star the week after he'd won at Wolves that he wouldn't be doing the World Qualifiers as he couldn't afford it and the help from the British authorities was more or less non existent. Its been pretty obvious since Rob Lyon left the Team GB set up that the BSPA / SCB can't / won't invest in the future of the British team and that any future SWC or GP success is likely to be a very long way off. At least Mr Worrall gives us something to enthuse over, hopefully Middlo will have the good sense to get him and one or two others involved in the SWC pits for experience. Edited May 20, 2012 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 The usual "Google translate" apology, but it gives the gist. Regards. Alan. World Junior Speedway in Blijham Tonight (Saturday, May 19) was the first time in the history of Dutch speedway a qualification for the World Speedway U21 organized. Blijham had the honor to organize this competition. Many top riders were on the start list. Pawlicki including the brothers (and Przemyslaw Piotr) and the rapid Please Andzejs Lebedevs. Netherlands had a solid rider on the starting grid. Jeffrey Woortman was up against a lot of fast speedway talents. Lars Zandvliet and Randy Oldenziel stood reserve for the Netherlands. Before the World Cup competition was held were the first riders of the future art and theater. The 125cc class special was very well represented with 21 riders including the European (Sandro Wassermann) and the World Champion (Romano Hummel) last year. The match was eventually won by Sandro Wassermann. Wassermann was already good at the start right away and could not be overtaken. The second place went to the very strong driving Dave Meijerink. Meijerink ride all year already strong matches, a highlight for the future! The third place went to Romano Hummel. Hummel was unbeaten in the heats. Mike van der Noordaa was there again after his nasty wrist fracture during a game in Vledderveen. Van der Noordaa placed himself with 11 points for the B final but unfortunately went bottom up, luckily it went well. At 7 o'clock in the evening were the drivers for the World Cup qualifier on to the public. The evening was supposed to start with a minute's silence to remember the deaths of Lee Richardson last Sunday. Unfortunately, this was not the case. That the Netherlands is not really minded speedway is clear, but that in a World Cup match Heuze no minute can silently is downright disrespectful ... The match after 20 heats were both Przemyslaw Pawlicki and Richie Worrall on 14 points. Because no final was held had a runoff be driven. Both drivers got together in turn one and crashed Worrall. Pawlicki assumed that this "red" and was returned to the entrance of the paddock, but there was no great surprise given red and had Pawlicki still have 4 rounds spreading. A strange end of the evening. Ritichie Worrall was in second place. Worrall drove a strong race with a very challenging speedway style. Ritchie is not the only Worrall in the speedway world. His twin brother, Steven, also riding speedway tonight and had also occurred during an U21 World Cup qualification. Steven was Gorican (Croatia) ninth. Third place went to the younger brother of Przemyslaw, Piotr. Piotr had a bad first heat and scored a third place. In his next heat he had told his brother, both of Poland had clearly agreed that Piotr was going to win and this was also evident when the door is left open and Przemyslaw Piotr so the heat could win. The first eight riders go through to the semi finals in Terenzano or Chervonograd. The ninth rider reserve one of these contests. For this ninth spot to determine needed a runoff be held between Sean Mason and Marcel Helfer. Mason, who reserve stood at the Speedway GP in Auckland, was well in the lead until the last lap and he crashed. This was so Helfer ninth. Jeffrey Woortman rode a strong race and eventually became 11th with 5 points. Jeffrey wirst three thirds places, a last and a second place to score. Lars Zandvliet once came into action and scored a point. Randy Oldenziel did not play as a reserve. U21 World Cup Qualifying: 1. Przemlyslaw Pawlicki POL (3,2,3,3,3) 14 3 2. Richie Worrall GB (3,3,2,3,3) 14 + X 3. Pawlicki Piotr POL (1,3,3,3,3) 13 4. Andzejs Lebedevs LAT (2,3,3,2,2) 12 5. David Bellego FRA (3,1,2,3,1) 10 6. January Holub CZE (0,3,2,2,2) 9 7. Alex Davies AUS (3,2,1,1,0) 7 8. Tom Perry GB (2,1,1,1,2) 7 --- 9. Marcel GER Helfer (2,0,2,1,1) 6 +3 --- 10. Sean Mason NZ (2,2,0,2, X) 6 + X 11. Cejka Roman CZE (0,2,3, X, -) 5 12. Jeffrey Woortman EN (1,1,1,0,2) 5 13. AUS Mason Campton (1,0,0, X, 3) 4 14. Alexander Kochetov RUS (X, X, 1,2,1) 4 15. Ladislav Vida SLO (1.1 X, 1.0) 3 16. Xavier Muratet FRA (X, 1,0,0, X) 1 17. Lars Zandvliet EN (1) 1 125cc specials: 1. Sandro Wassermann GER (6,6,5) 17 2. Dave Meijerink EN (4,6,5) 15 3. Romano Hummel EN (6,6,6) 18 4. Buddy Price NL (6,5,6) 17 5. Richard Geyer GER (5,5,4) 14 6. Mika Meyer NL (5,4,3) 12 ---- 7. Jack Cornes GB (3,3,6) 12 8. Kelvin Bordihn GER (5,4,2) 11 9. Mike Pultrum EN (4,3,5) 12 10. Mike van der Noordaa EN (3,5,3) 11 --- 11. Lizanne de Vries EN (3,1,0) 4 12. Darrel de Vries EN (X, 6,4) 10 13. Inge Slagter NL (1,2,3) 6 14. Alwin Slagter NL (2,2,4) 8 15. Jeffrey Sijbesma EN (2,2,1) 5 16. Jackie Rooks EN (4,3,2) 9 --- 17. Erik van Dijk, NL (2,0,2) 4 18. Christian Wagemans NL (1,1,1) 3 19. Daisy Diever NL (X, X, X) 0 20. De Vries Jarno NL (X, -, -) 0 21. Zach Wajtknecht GB (X, -, -) 0 Sorry, we have no pictures of the paddock of the U21 World Cup. Stiching Track Sports Blijham us no press akkreditatie granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 it was sad to see some of the british Under 21 guys didnt appear in this, allegedly because there was NO financial backing from The BSPA, Joe Haines, Kyle Howarth, Jason Garrity all would have given a good showing in this, and just to be left with the guys who have most money or sponsors, is a sad indictment of British Speedway. Just a question for the BSPA where did the profits from the British Under 21 Final go ??? because i was at Monmore Green, and despite the weather there was definately a very healthy crowd, some of that money could have been used to help with transport costs at least. Why do you assume it has anything to do with the BSPA? They seem to get blamed for everything! There is backing, some backing. Not huge amounts, but it helps. And it comes from the SCB (Speedway Control Bureau, not the forum member, FYI!) The problem is not so much that, but the ridiculous amounts of licences and fees that you need to compete in FIM events. Even when you have the various licences, and there are numerous, you still need to pay the one-meeting race fee, or whatever they call it, which is £135. The guys who were left to do with it were the guys who were either prepared to, or wanted to do it. It was nothing to do with money or sponsors. Oh, and Garrity didn't go, because from what I can tell, it was based on the Under 21 Final results, and he was below the 4 riders who did go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 The problem is not so much that, but the ridiculous amounts of licences and fees that you need to compete in FIM events. Even when you have the various licences, and there are numerous, you still need to pay the one-meeting race fee, or whatever they call it, which is £135. You need your national license from your own federation and a FIM license thats around 400 euros for a season or the mentioned for a one off. What else do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Why do you assume it has anything to do with the BSPA? They seem to get blamed for everything! There is backing, some backing. Not huge amounts, but it helps. And it comes from the SCB (Speedway Control Bureau, not the forum member, FYI!) The problem is not so much that, but the ridiculous amounts of licences and fees that you need to compete in FIM events. Even when you have the various licences, and there are numerous, you still need to pay the one-meeting race fee, or whatever they call it, which is £135. The guys who were left to do with it were the guys who were either prepared to, or wanted to do it. It was nothing to do with money or sponsors. Oh, and Garrity didn't go, because from what I can tell, it was based on the Under 21 Final results, and he was below the 4 riders who did go. I'd agree with you to an extent.Of course if a rider wants to he will do it.That is what the FIm is exploiting.The fact is more and more is being asked of juniors at this level.I really can't see many being able to follow in the GP footsteps and do 7 finals,plus all the other meetings at this stage of their career.It is a sad reflection of the sport that riders from Finland + Norway couldn't turn up.Saying that,i was talking a few years back to an ex rider from Australia who now has a son riding and he said riders shouldn't always look to their federation for support,they should get out and make thingshappen themselves.Having said that,he also said that when he was riding he also expected the MA(?) to do a lot for him.Somehow a balance needs to be found.It is great for the big competitions to be shared out around the speedway world.But it should only expand with the funds available.Fans also are not that interested in U21 meetings.I was at for example a Denmark v Sweden and a Sweden v Denmark U21 test with Klindt,Madsen,Hougaard,Alden,Forsberg etc and it was one man and a dog.I was at a Nordic U21 Final with Möller,Lindbäck,Alden and Lindgren(?)etc and the crowd was minimal.Last years U21 Final round at Holsted was 1,000 or so.....about the same or less than a Superliga meeting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) Why do you assume it has anything to do with the BSPA? They seem to get blamed for everything! There is backing, some backing. Not huge amounts, but it helps. And it comes from the SCB (Speedway Control Bureau, not the forum member, FYI!) The problem is not so much that, but the ridiculous amounts of licences and fees that you need to compete in FIM events. Even when you have the various licences, and there are numerous, you still need to pay the one-meeting race fee, or whatever they call it, which is £135. The guys who were left to do with it were the guys who were either prepared to, or wanted to do it. It was nothing to do with money or sponsors. Oh, and Garrity didn't go, because from what I can tell, it was based on the Under 21 Final results, and he was below the 4 riders who did go. As the british Under 21 final was a BSPA event, and the big wigs were there and they provided the Start line girls, and the Fireworks, then i assume it is something to do with the BSPA. As a matter of interest Iris, the crowd on a poor night weather wise was around 1200/1500. Edited May 20, 2012 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em1500uk Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Well done to Richie and Tom I hope they and Kyle Newman make it stick when they get into the semis now. It's nice to see Britain getting some young riders making a decent showing on the international scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Big well done to Ritchie Rising fast and will hopefully make a Polish/Swedish team take note for 2013. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Well Done to both Ritchie and Tom, both are having great seasons and really pleasing seeing them doing so well in this!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) It's crazy in this day and age that the FIM don't pay enough "wages" to the guys competing in the competition to cover at least their costs!! Mind you the same applies in the GPs let alone this!! Nevertheless congrats to Richie in particular, his brother and Tom Perry for making the effort all worthwhile for themselves, so good to see a brit do well abroad, hopefully they've made another sponsor sit up and take notice of them eh!! Edited May 21, 2012 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 It's crazy in this day and age that the FIM don't pay enough "wages" to the guys competing in the competition to cover at least their costs!! Mind you the same applies in the GPs let alone this!! Actually it's the organizer that pays the prize money thats set up by the FIM. But you are quite right. But for eample MX people/teams dont get paid, they pay to get to ride in Worlds events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) Are the semi-finals at Terenzano and Balakovo(Russia)on june the 2nd-will there be problems for the riders drawn in Russia getting everything sorted in time ? Edit just been on to the FIM website and the russian semi has been moved to Chervonograd which is in the Ukraine hopefully riders will be able to get there ok. practice is on the day of the meeting in both semi`s Edited May 21, 2012 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I was just going to say that I thought the other semi was scheduled for Ukraine. The Ukrainians don't have the same visa requirements as Russia and that track isn't too far from the Polish border, so there should hopefully be no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 But for eample MX people/teams dont get paid, they pay to get to ride in Worlds events. Are they mostly works riders who ride in the World events though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 it was sad to see some of the british Under 21 guys didnt appear in this, allegedly because there was NO financial backing from The BSPA, Joe Haines, Kyle Howarth, Jason Garrity all would have given a good showing in this, and just to be left with the guys who have most money or sponsors, is a sad indictment of British Speedway. I can assure you that Kyle Newman has entered because he wants to race and get valuable experience. He is certainly not awash with money or sponsors. These youngsters are lucky if they manage to break even on these trips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 it was sad to see some of the british Under 21 guys didnt appear in this, allegedly because there was NO financial backing from The BSPA, Joe Haines, Kyle Howarth, Jason Garrity all would have given a good showing in this, and just to be left with the guys who have most money or sponsors, is a sad indictment of British Speedway. Just a question for the BSPA where did the profits from the British Under 21 Final go ??? because i was at Monmore Green, and despite the weather there was definately a very healthy crowd, some of that money could have been used to help with transport costs at least. There is only a certain number of entries GB can enter, it isn't you're under 21 you can enter. NZ we have only 1 spot, and that's all we deserve at present, but all the costs involved getting from NZ to one event are up to the rider and their family, There is a contribution made by SNZ but it is small in the overall cost. And if he should get through to the next round, then that becomes another logistics nightmare, does he stay and not be able to work while he waits or returns home back to a job only to pay all the costs again in a months time. It's tough, but if you want it bad enough you find a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Are they mostly works riders who ride in the World events though? Teams in MX pay to compete in the series, what happens between teams and riders I dont know. MX is a bigger sport, so instead of the main sponsor in speedway in MX they might pay 6 figures for a sticker on the bumper. Actually I know nothing of MX, other than that they dont have prize money like track racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statman Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) Went over for this meeting, first thing to say that was excellently run by the folk at Blijham, nice track in a lovely location and made to feel very welcome by everyone there. Richie Worrall was superb and extremely unluckily in what turned out to be a farce of a run-off for 1st place. Everyone, including Pawlicki thought race was going to be stopped with it being at least a case of both riders back for a re-run. Pit gate opened, Worall rode went back into pit to get new front wheel as one in bike had many spokes missing and looked very bent after being run into by Pawlicki. Meanwhile Pawlicki turned round and went back to just outside pits while his pit crew swarmed around him with clutch coolers, bike stands etc to wait until Worrall returned. Then he was informed that race hadn't been stopped by referee and that it was still effectively running, so Pawlicki turned around, completed the 4 laps and took the winner's cheque. Question is...how was it that if race hadn't been stopped by referee (and to be fair no red lights came on or red flags shown), why Pawlicki wasn't excluded for a] riding wrong way round track to get back to wait outside pit gate & b] fact his mechanics appeared to touch bike while he was waiting outside pits. Plus race was still effectively 'running' but pit gate had ben opened???? Anyway apart from the bizarre ending, meeting was a good one, Tom Perry blew his best engine in afternoon practice so had to compete using his spare, but picked up points in every ride and did what was needed with a second place in his last ride to qualify for the semi-final's. Somerset fans will also be pleased to see that Alex Davies also qualified for the semi-final stages, a win in his opening ride setting him on his way, although he found points gradually harder to come by as the meeting progress. With Tom & Alex both qualifying it means that 4 Somerset riders, with Sam Masters & Kyle Newman already through from their qualifying in Germany last month, will be amongst the 32 competing in the 2 semi-final's. Finally a word about Sean Mason - from the evidence of this meeting he is worth a look at for a possible PL berth, if not this year, then next...he acquitted himself well and but for an exclusion in his final ride might well have qualified for the semi-finals as of right, or at worse been in a run-off for final spot up for grabs, and then a fall on last bend when miles ahead of Helfer in run-off for reserve berth in semi-finals denied that him place. Edited May 21, 2012 by Statman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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