iris123 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 (edited) I pay around a hundred quid a month to SKY for their various services I believe therefore I am entitled to an opinion on one of it's products. The irony of someone who pays for the SKY package being told they should be thankful for what they get by someone who watches it for nowt via illegal streams Gotta link? pm'd ya...... Edited May 15, 2012 by iris123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012   Finally, of course, if you are that disgruntled you could cancel your subscription. I,resident in the speedway wasteland of the USA, get no television coverage whatsoever. I watch, thanks to the internet, speedway in a variety of languages. Polish, Swedish, Danish being the main ones. I've watched streams in Norweigan, Ukranian, you name it. I take what i can get and am eternally grateful. When the tapes go up, the commentary is utterly secondary to the thrill of watching four guys racing. Whether we like it or not, our wonderful sport is a minority interest item, both to the public at large and to the television companies. We really should be grateful. I am! Regards. Alan.  Have I read this correct. Is someone who steals a service telling a legitimate buyer he should be grateful for the service received  If I was stealing my weekly shopping from Sainsbury's I would accept the odd out of date item in there, but as I pay for it, like 99% of the population, rest assured I voice my disattisfaction when something is amiss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Time to defend myself- and others. I have no way of subscribing to any television service whatsoever, that gives me any speedway coverage. I pay for Fox (i.e Sky) coverage here in the USA. Football and Rugby only. They carry Sky Sports news twice a day. That's it. We can obtain no package for Polish TV or any other speedway nation. The numbers on the internet streams show the number of viewers. Very rarely does it get above 200 viewers. Which tells the companies that there is no money in it whatsoever. A willing buyer, but no seller. So for those of us in far off lands the streams are a godsend. The first poster has taken an extreme dislike to me and talks about irony. The true irony,of course, is that HE watches these "illegal" streams that he berates me for so doing. ANYONE who watches Polish speedway on Sunday is committing a "crime". Go through the threads and see the posters names. Every one of us a "criminal" Haul us all off to jail and you won't have a forum!. To equate that with stealing from your local supermarket is a real stretch. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" comes readily to mind. If there was any real demand for the product, someone would fill it. Sadly for speedway, there really isn't. I responded to a post , that itself responded to a post from someone who has an extreme dislike of Nigel Pearson. I say again to that individual. If you so dislike him, let Sky know and set out your reasons. I would simply caution though. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. And the "it" might be no Nigel Pearson and no speedway coverage at all. Cricket, Football, Formula 1, Rugby. There is a huge worldwide market for them. Sadly, for Speedway, no one really cares. Regards. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Time to defend myself- and others. I have no way of subscribing to any television service whatsoever, that gives me any speedway coverage. I pay for Fox (i.e Sky) coverage here in the USA. Football and Rugby only. They carry Sky Sports news twice a day. That's it. We can obtain no package for Polish TV or any other speedway nation. The numbers on the internet streams show the number of viewers. Very rarely does it get above 200 viewers. Which tells the companies that there is no money in it whatsoever. A willing buyer, but no seller. So for those of us in far off lands the streams are a godsend. The first poster has taken an extreme dislike to me and talks about irony. The true irony,of course, is that HE watches these "illegal" streams that he berates me for so doing. ANYONE who watches Polish speedway on Sunday is committing a "crime". Go through the threads and see the posters names. Every one of us a "criminal" Haul us all off to jail and you won't have a forum!. To equate that with stealing from your local supermarket is a real stretch. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" comes readily to mind. If there was any real demand for the product, someone would fill it. Sadly for speedway, there really isn't. I responded to a post , that itself responded to a post from someone who has an extreme dislike of Nigel Pearson. I say again to that individual. If you so dislike him, let Sky know and set out your reasons. I would simply caution though. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. And the "it" might be no Nigel Pearson and no speedway coverage at all. Cricket, Football, Formula 1, Rugby. There is a huge worldwide market for them. Sadly, for Speedway, no one really cares. Regards. Alan  I have no issues with Nigel Pearson, I quite like him nowadays, nor do I have any gripe with the Sky coverage. I am also under no illusions as to how insignificant speedway is to Sky, it is purely something to show between the ads and its format lends itself to multiple ad breaks. As long as viewing figures are reasonable speedway will stay on Sky, when they drop, speedway will be off our screens like a shot. What I thought strange was you coming on here stating that you, in essence, steal the service (for whatever reason).  While your case may be different the internet streams are partly responsible for lower viewing figures year on year for Elite League and this ultimately threatens the sport staying on Sky. Stealing is stealing, however you dress it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 I have no issues with Nigel Pearson, I quite like him nowadays, nor do I have any gripe with the Sky coverage. I am also under no illusions as to how insignificant speedway is to Sky, it is purely something to show between the ads and its format lends itself to multiple ad breaks. As long as viewing figures are reasonable speedway will stay on Sky, when they drop, speedway will be off our screens like a shot. What I thought strange was you coming on here stating that you, in essence, steal the service (for whatever reason).  While your case may be different the internet streams are partly responsible for lower viewing figures year on year for Elite League and this ultimately threatens the sport staying on Sky. Stealing is stealing, however you dress it up I respect your reasoned response. My conscience regarding "stealing" a Polish tv signal is clear. You may feel differently and that is your right. We can civilly agree to disagree. As for Sky viewing figures being affected, if the numbers reflected on the internet streams are correct, and i have no doubt they are, then we are looking at around 300 viewers WORLDWIDE most of the time. How many of those are potential lost subscibers to Sky in the UK. i have no idea. It is a sad reflection of the lack of interest in Elite League speedway. Because of the time difference of 5 hours i am often at work (still at 68!) on a Monday afternoon. Whilst Poland on Sundays is a must see , i do not feel i am missing much if i don't catch the Elite league. But that is a whole other topic. Nigel Pearson is employed by Sky. They pay him and if he was not delivering what they require then he would be out the door fast. Sky are trying to sell the sport. TV is a circle where companies deliver programmes to viewers and companies deliver those viewers to advertisers. The internet has completely changed the way programmes are delivered. My 17 year old son never watches tv. But his iPAD is always on. The TV companies here have responded by making their programming available , sometimes simultaneously and usually 24 hours later on the net for free. They make money by selling ads on their streaming services. Some with a small subscription fee, mostly free. There is no "one model fits all" solution. We shall see how it all evolves. This afternoon i will watch the Danish Individual Final here  http://kanalsport.dk/  A company that has decided the way forward is to stream it -legally and for free. No "stealing" involved. Tomorrow i will watch my favourite little Swedish team Smederna for which i will pay a fee for the stream. Sunday i will watch Polish speedway "illegally". My choice, my conscience. Your choice. Your conscience. Regards. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 I respect your reasoned response. My conscience regarding "stealing" a Polish tv signal is clear. You may feel differently and that is your right. We can civilly agree to disagree. As for Sky viewing figures being affected, if the numbers reflected on the internet streams are correct, and i have no doubt they are, then we are looking at around 300 viewers WORLDWIDE most of the time. How many of those are potential lost subscibers to Sky in the UK. i have no idea. It is a sad reflection of the lack of interest in Elite League speedway. Because of the time difference of 5 hours i am often at work (still at 68!) on a Monday afternoon. Whilst Poland on Sundays is a must see , i do not feel i am missing much if i don't catch the Elite league. But that is a whole other topic. Nigel Pearson is employed by Sky. They pay him and if he was not delivering what they require then he would be out the door fast. Sky are trying to sell the sport. TV is a circle where companies deliver programmes to viewers and companies deliver those viewers to advertisers. The internet has completely changed the way programmes are delivered. My 17 year old son never watches tv. But his iPAD is always on. The TV companies here have responded by making their programming available , sometimes simultaneously and usually 24 hours later on the net for free. They make money by selling ads on their streaming services. Some with a small subscription fee, mostly free. There is no "one model fits all" solution. We shall see how it all evolves. This afternoon i will watch the Danish Individual Final here  http://kanalsport.dk/  A company that has decided the way forward is to stream it -legally and for free. No "stealing" involved. Tomorrow i will watch my favourite little Swedish team Smederna for which i will pay a fee for the stream. Sunday i will watch Polish speedway "illegally". My choice, my conscience. Your choice. Your conscience. Regards. Alan. When you buy the Smederna stream tomorrow can you pm me the password so i can watch it free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 When you buy the Smederna stream tomorrow can you pm me the password so i can watch it free  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops22 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 So whats the verdict on Prague has it done enough to stage a GP next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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