vog Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 i would have loved Lee Smart but at 10 pound a point i doubt it. Mackinna let them down last time he signed for hitmen and dont forget he rides at newcastle a sunday track if they get a injurer at res he will be recalled and Buxton will be back to square one oh well. Let me say this again HE DOES NOT RIDE FOR NEWCASTLE. IF they were to get an injury (And I hope that doesn't happen!) then they would use either a 3 point NL guest, or an actual guest (Depending on who got injured) It couldn't be Adam unless Buxton let him be used, as he is signed for Buxton now so their meetings take priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Not eligible due to the one rider over 30 rule. I guess its safe to say I'm not going to be ever riding speedway but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. Perhaps if all riders treated facilities with respect then we may be more inclined to maintain them. As for riders being prepared to race for the league pay scale they are indeed a rarity especially when other teams offer much more money. One rider we approached was quite happy to ride but required £25 per point so that was a no go for us although other teams in the league seem quite happy with those sorts of demands. I respect your pay policy,too many riders in NL trying to make decent money (i.e £25/pt) and treating speedway as a hobby.If every Promoter was like Buxton there would be a lot more geniune talent produced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I respect your pay policy,too many riders in NL trying to make decent money (i.e £25/pt) and treating speedway as a hobby.If every Promoter was like Buxton there would be a lot more geniune talent produced. I'm not sure what to take from this post; what exactly do you mean? Too many riders in NL trying to make decent money and treating speedway as a hobby? I think I've missed the point you're making. Could you explain further... I'd think it's logical that rider's will want to earn as much as possible, considering it's hardly a cheap sport, and at this level you'd be very lucky to make anything out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm not sure what to take from this post; what exactly do you mean? Too many riders in NL trying to make decent money and treating speedway as a hobby? I think I've missed the point you're making. Could you explain further... I'd think it's logical that rider's will want to earn as much as possible, considering it's hardly a cheap sport, and at this level you'd be very lucky to make anything out of it. I think the point he/she was making is that the league isn't meant to be about making money and riders should be taking the opportunity to learn and move up into the PL/EL and then make money. Of course everyone wants to earn as much as possible in all walks of life but for the majority of us you start at the bottom and work your way upwards and your salary is adjusted accordingly. Speedway shouldn't really be any different in that you learn your trade in the NL and then command more money and status in the PL/EL as you improve and gain experience. Unfortunately not everyone sees it like that and some use the NL as a way of making easy money but then that impacts on us all with clubs closing in the NL due to costs and riders increased demands in the higher leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I think the point he/she was making is that the league isn't meant to be about making money and riders should be taking the opportunity to learn and move up into the PL/EL and then make money. Of course everyone wants to earn as much as possible in all walks of life but for the majority of us you start at the bottom and work your way upwards and your salary is adjusted accordingly. Speedway shouldn't really be any different in that you learn your trade in the NL and then command more money and status in the PL/EL as you improve and gain experience. Unfortunately not everyone sees it like that and some use the NL as a way of making easy money but then that impacts on us all with clubs closing in the NL due to costs and riders increased demands in the higher leagues. That is the exact point I was making and well explained Thank You. Up and coming riders with ambition will not be expecting to make money at NL level IMO,they will want expierience and track time and move on. The original 2nd division developed in to a National League and pay rates went up accordingly but there is no way that this present NL is going to be anything more that a development league in the financial climate and I admire teams like Buxton who treat it the way it was originally intended. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Theoretically, it's a way of getting to a higher league, yes. But with how things are run in higher leagues, it isn't always possible for riders to move up and onto other things. You can't move on if you aren't given the chance, but you need to keep yourself on show and remind the higher leagues you're there, ready and waiting; it doesn't mean rider's shouldn't expect to earn reasonable money. Whilst it may apply to some rider's, I don't think its necessarily fair to all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Unfortunately not everyone sees it like that and some use the NL as a way of making easy money but then that impacts on us all with clubs closing in the NL due to costs and riders increased demands in the higher leagues. The majority of the silly points money in the NL is down to certain clubs not so much the riders. thats why there are so few NL clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Theoretically, it's a way of getting to a higher league, yes. But with how things are run in higher leagues, it isn't always possible for riders to move up and onto other things. You can't move on if you aren't given the chance, but you need to keep yourself on show and remind the higher leagues you're there, ready and waiting; it doesn't mean rider's shouldn't expect to earn reasonable money. Whilst it may apply to some rider's, I don't think its necessarily fair to all. I don't think that there are many riders that have not been given a chance in PL if they have shown some talent,it is noticable that in the last couple of years the younger ridersare actually showing some promise compared to previous years.I will concede that there are too many average foriegn riders also been given a chance in PL and you have to ask how much are they demanding in relation to British talent. Buxton have a good record for giving young riders a chance which was why I applauded their stance on wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 But thats because you didnt want foriegn riders in the National League so now the PL is their entry level. If you had 1 or 2 foreign riders in National league then perhaps the Tims and other Top British National league riders would have places to go to in the PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Too many foreigners in all our leagues is a problem BSPA should be looking at. Surely theres a happy medium, First and foremost we must have means of british youngsters moving through our leagues. Our kids deserve a fair playing field! SorryTim for using your thread to get my point across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Worrals, Howarth, Newman and Birks have all been given a level playing field. That's because they're good enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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