TMW Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) this did make me laugh so funny Glad I brightened your day Oooh, I hope you don't include me in that Mick. Cretin's certainly a tad harsh! My reasons for saying what I do on here are most definitely nothing to do with suffering from cretinism! And I most certainly don't say what I do blindly! I've seen from the inside what goes on and my eyes are wide open. The bigger issue is that to rectify anything you need to admit to it first, and I see too many people up at Beaumont Park desperately trying to pretend all is well when it's patently not. They're the ones for whom blindness is the problem. I think the fact that he has already made alterations indicates he knows there is something wrong with the track....I don't think anyone of us has defended the track itself although I maintain it's the riders but the more realistic of us know it isn't going to turn into Scunthorpe overnight Scunthorpe didn't turn into Scunthorpe over night (I use Scunny as that is the track we keep getting thrown at us note it isn't Brandon)and as I have said before maybe the shape wasn't the best but you cant undo the done i'm affraid even in the best of fairy tales what we are defending is the process of putting it right you have already made it quite plain how much money DH owes and court cases which are going on etc..... so where do you expect him to get the money from 'only £6.000' the 2 track reshapes which have been mentioned on here Glasgow and Ipswich are far far more then taht. Do you have that in small change????. Then maybe you shouldn't demand others spend what they haven't got either. Edited April 25, 2012 by TMW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainlion Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Do you think I'd make a 50 mile round trip for the past 29 years if it was poor racing all the time? I'm really not that stupid but you're clearly so biased there's not much point in me saying anything else. My pet hate - fans who are so biased towards their own team they can't see anyone else's point of view. I'm just a speedway fan first and foremost and a Coventry fan very much second. So much so that you've spent 29 years sitting with some of the country's top dogs (no pun intended) when it comes to bias btw this is a joke to lighten everyones mood and my pet hate is off topic posts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Oooh, I hope you don't include me in that Mick. Cretin's certainly a tad harsh! My reasons for saying what I do on here are most definitely nothing to do with suffering from cretinism! And I most certainly don't say what I do blindly! I've seen from the inside what goes on and my eyes are wide open. The bigger issue is that to rectify anything you need to admit to it first, and I see too many people up at Beaumont Park desperately trying to pretend all is well when it's patently not. They're the ones for whom blindness is the problem. well, strange as it may seem it wasn't aimed at you as you clearly try to make of reasoned argument and effort at informing rather than being abusive. But i think you know that anyway. Actually, the reality is that cretinous wouldn't be a word i'd use for anyone and the response was purely mocking the turn of phrase used by the original poster as i'm sure you quite aware. It's something i'm aware is probably a cretinous thing to do but sometimes i can't help myself. Somehow the way this thread was heading you just knew there was one last 'Glory' post in him though. There's probably another now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd7244 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Whatever happened to the track rakers (the human variety)? Can you remember them? They used to have three foot wide rakes with which they used to pull the loose dirt back trom the outside to the centre and inside of the track. Were they all made redundant because everyone stopped putting dirt on the track, sorry shale?. My point is, let's get plenty of loose shale on the tracks and see some real speedway racing, then we can go home after the meeting looking like we had been in Barbados for a month. Sorry everyone, just one old codger sitting in his rocking chair reminiscing about speedway in past times.. JohnD7244 Enjoy your speedway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Too many people getting in free, with a cup of tea and a few custard cream biscuits at the interval, just for pulling a bit of shale around all night. Actually with the so called 'Wonder Wheel' doing the job I don't think they are needed any more - at Coventry anyway? Also haven't I read somewhere that it makes the track more dangerous to rake the shale back to the inside so it's like riding on marbles? Edited April 26, 2012 by Gemini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd7244 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Sorry Gemini, I was just having a bit of fun, to try and get a bit of humour back into the posts. Everyone seems to be slagging every one elses views just lately. I think most supporters would agree that we need more dirt on the tracks though. Does anyone remember the old Long Eaton track. All the dirt they used to have on their track made for fantastic racing. In my opinion it was the most exciting racing anywhere that I have seen. Just a pity the atmosphere, amenities and comfort were zero, so I'm afraid we went back to Coventry purely for the comfort, amenities, and good natured supporters there. JohnD7244 Enjoy your speedway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Sorry Gemini, I was just having a bit of fun, to try and get a bit of humour back into the posts. Everyone seems to be slagging every one elses views just lately. I think most supporters would agree that we need more dirt on the tracks though. Does anyone remember the old Long Eaton track. All the dirt they used to have on their track made for fantastic racing. In my opinion it was the most exciting racing anywhere that I have seen. Just a pity the atmosphere, amenities and comfort were zero, so I'm afraid we went back to Coventry purely for the comfort, amenities, and good natured supporters there. JohnD7244 Enjoy your speedway. Well there you go. Coventry only has it's facilities because of the Stox and Greyhound and Speedway rides shotgun on those money spinners. Eventually Leicetser will be for all kinds of Speedway events with not bad facilities it has to be said. Not once has a Coventry fan, as I have stood on the terrace between bend 1 & 2 on my own, has anyone ever made the effort to speak to me at Brandon. I'm sorry I don't share your view of friendly Yours faithfully Rose tinted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Perhaps you look too scary to be approached. Anyway, I can't be bothered with all this stupid and childish Leicester is/will be brilliant and Coventry is awful racing with unfriendly fans but feel free to carry on if it makes you happy. It is a forum afterall. John...... I loved going to Long Eaton. You say it's a pity the amenities and comfort were zero but to me that didn't matter because like you say there was some fantastic racing. I'd much rather have a brilliant track for racing and watch from a grass bank than have a grandstand and good amenities but a rubbish track. Mind you they did make mistakes sometimes. I don't know if you were at the Long Eaton v Middlesborough match? It was a lovely Summer's day in June (but don't know the year) when the track was overwatered and Middlesborough refused to ride so Long Eaton just rode round for 5-0's in every race. My memory being what it is I could have this wrong and it was another occasion when the track was overwatered. I know Ove Fundin and his wife were there as special guests so I think it was pretty embarrassing all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Mind you they did make mistakes sometimes. I don't know if you were at the Long Eaton v Middlesborough match? It was a lovely Summer's day in June (but don't know the year) when the track was overwatered and Middlesborough refused to ride so Long Eaton just rode round for 5-0's in every race. My memory being what it is I could have this wrong and it was another occasion when the track was overwatered. I know Ove Fundin and his wife were there as special guests so I think it was pretty embarrassing all round. It was against Milldenhall. Dave Jessop was the captain of Milldenhall, and persuaded his team mates it was to dangerous to ride the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandersome Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 It was against Milldenhall. Dave Jessop was the captain of Milldenhall, and persuaded his team mates it was to dangerous to ride the track. If i remember rightly it was pretty much how the track was being prepared week in week out at the time and from a spectators point of view generally produced great entertainment. My abiding memory of Jessup as a second tier rider was of him always complaining about track conditions and pulling out of meetings. Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobrakeshere1 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 If i remember rightly it was pretty much how the track was being prepared week in week out at the time and from a spectators point of view generally produced great entertainment. My abiding memory of Jessup as a second tier rider was of him always complaining about track conditions and pulling out of meetings. Mick. Yep, the track could be a little on the wet side but after a few heats it usually produced great racing. I actually started to go before Leicester closed and always thought the racing was better there than Blackbird Road was towards the end. Mind you standing with John "Mooneyes" Cooper was entertainment in itself! Facilities were pretty terrible though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Perhaps you look too scary to be approached. Anyway, I can't be bothered with all this stupid and childish Leicester is/will be brilliant and Coventry is awful racing with unfriendly fans but feel free to carry on if it makes you happy. It is a forum afterall. Ye that'll be it.......Oh dear 'again' call yourself a grown up but you are right about the being bothered thing lets just agree to disagree I think. I'll stick with the Lions you stick with Coventry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Ye that'll be it.......Oh dear 'again' call yourself a grown up but you are right about the being bothered thing lets just agree to disagree I think. I'll stick with the Lions you stick with Coventry. I've noticed one thing about you if it's wrong that you're too scary to be approached (note the smiley face!) - you are definitely lacking a sense of humour. Try lightening up a bit because it's not supposed to be a battle. We're all speedway fans who love the sport no matter where we decide to watch it. It was against Milldenhall. Dave Jessop was the captain of Milldenhall, and persuaded his team mates it was to dangerous to ride the track. Ah... thanks for that. At least both names began with an 'M' so I wasn't far out. So was this the same night that the Invaders just rode round for 5-0's or was it another time when Ove and his wife were there and the meeting got called off? I agree the facilities weren't very good but I was quite happy standing on that bank overlooking the pits. Happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd7244 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Can I ask all our learned members which track they think provides the best racing?. I can't get out much these days so I spend a fair bit of time watching videos from the "Speedway On Disc" blogsite, sad case that I am. It seems to me that all the tracks are pretty much the same in regards to actual racing excitement. Looks like Plymouth have a fair amount of close racing, but with the size of their track, racing's bound to be close. It must be about the same size as Mr Hemsley's old stamping ground at Slater Street. Also noticed that the track records are about the same at 47 seconds. Have you seen any Polish meetings? The actual racing makes Eastbourne speedway look exciting. But the crowd, wow!! You've got 10,000 supporters going absolutely mad: shouting, screaming, jumping up and down, and the occasional firecracker throughout every lap of every race, even if the riders are strung out for over a quarter of a lap. JohnD7244 Enjoy your speedway whichever team you support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 It seems to me that all the tracks are pretty much the same in regards to actual racing excitement. I think you are right there John. Doesn't matter if it is Elite, Premier or National League they'll be some exciting races, some average and some strung out. Watching Chris Harris at Coventry in full flow, picking off riders from the back, is worth the admission money alone for me and I missed him last season. Now with him, Scott and Eddie back who are all racers I'm really happy with the Bees team this season - when they ever get back on track that is after all the rain lately. I've not watched any Polish meetings but gather from comments on here that, despite all the top riders being there, the racing is not any more spectacular than over here. Just that there are more fans which make for a better atmosphere. I used to like the racing at Oxford but of the present day tracks I think Peterborough is my favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd7244 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Whatever all Lions fans think about Coventry and their track, I must admit that it looks like you Bees are in for some exciting speedway this year with the riders you have. Looking forward to meeting you next year providing DH can get the track right at BP. Who remembers the East Midland Bowl? Where has everyone gone? JohnD7244 Enjoy your Speedway, at least if it stops raining any time soon. Whatever all Lions fans think about Coventry and their track, I must admit that it looks like you Bees are in for some exciting speedway this year with the riders you have. Looking forward to meeting you next year providing DH can get the track right at BP. Who remembers the East Midland Bowl? Where has everyone gone? JohnD7244 Enjoy your Speedway, at least if it stops raining any time soon. Sorry, East Midlands Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Where has everyone gone? JohnD7244 Enjoy your Speedway, at least if it stops raining any time soon I think everything that needs to be said has been said but if there is any speedway on sat this thread will soon pick up a head of steam again. Edited May 1, 2012 by TMW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Thanks for finally setting the record straight , as you probably would'nt know since you are new to speedway many leicester fans have always said we have only got great facilities because Charles Ochiltree sold Leicester down the river and spent the money on Coventry Well there you go. Coventry only has it's facilities because of the Stox and Greyhound and Speedway rides shotgun on those money spinners. Eventually Leicetser will be for all kinds of Speedway events with not bad facilities it has to be said.I have spoken to you on more than one occasion so this is a lie Not once has a Coventry fan, as I have stood on the terrace between bend 1 & 2 on my own, has anyone ever made the effort to speak to me at Brandon. I'm sorry I don't share your view of friendly Yours faithfully Rose tinted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Sorry to go off subject but I wanted to mention the actual track at Leicester Only time I have been there was a few weeks ago and for flattrack not Speedway. I thought that the track is an unusual shape with the bends too tight for the straights (or the straights too long for the bends!) however the problem when I saw it was that the surface wasn't binding together to produce grip. This is something I have noticed elsewhere, especially with new tracks, presumably in the 'good old days' all the oil being dumped on the surface quickly stuck everything together nicely but things take a lot longer with only water doing the job. The surface appeared very 'marbly' as though it could do with more fines to pack it down, however that may well not be the case as there might have been plenty of fines packed underneath. Maybe working with the surface could produce an improvement more quickly and less expensively than changing the shape although changing the shape would be the ideal. Too much grip though and it could be a nightmare I should think so it's a very fine line. Then again maybe they have already tried everything they can with the surface and I am talking nonsense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I have spoken to you on more than one occasion so this is a lie I have already been branded unapproachable you don't expect me to advertise that I have been seen consorting with your sort at Brandon. Do you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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