Rye House Select V Usa Future (int. Challenge, April 14th @ 7pm)

[Alan_Jones]

With Shane Hazelden and James Sarjeant committed to the re-staging of the U21 semi at Stoke, Ritchie Hawkins and Jason Garrity are 'promoted' into the Raiders team in order to "test equipment".

 

Rye House : Tom Braddock, Luke Chessell, Jason Garrity, Ritchie Hawkins, Nick Lee, David Mason, Ben Morley.

 

USA Future : Dylan Black, Mike Buman, Aaron Fox, Russell Green, Gino Manzares, Brad Pappalardo, Bryce Starks.

 

To be followed by Milton Keynes Knights v Coventry Mercia Vikings in the MDL.

Edited April 10, 2012 by Alan_Jones

[speedyguy]

With Shane Hazelden and James Sarjeant committed to the re-staging of the U21 semi at Stoke, Ritchie Hawkins and Jason Garrity are 'promoted' into the Raiders team in order to "test equipment".

 

Rye House : Tom Braddock, Luke Chessell, Jason Garrity, Ritchie Hawkins, Nick Lee, David Mason, Ben Morley.

 

USA Future : Dylan Black, Mike Buman, Aaron Fox, Russell Green, Gino Manzares, Brad Pappalardo, Bryce Starks.

 

To be followed by Milton Keynes Knights v Coventry Mercia Vikings in the MDL.

 

Why is there a MDL match at Rye House involving two teams competing in an area not relative to the club? Where's the Rye House Anglian Junior League side?

Edited April 10, 2012 by speedyguy

[Main Man]

Milton Keynes ride their MDL matches at Rye House.

 

Blimey Garrity and Hawkins for Hazelden and Sarjeant .....might fly Greg in for a No. 8 spot !!

[Rockets]

Well Garritty will strengthen us but i'd have still preferred Hazelden for Hawkins.

[waco]

Well Garritty will strengthen us but i'd have still preferred Hazelden for Hawkins.

Should have been National League riders in my opinion this team will slaughter the usa if past meetings are anything to go by .Hope im wrong and this U.S .A Team is a big improvement. on previous sides, .Also dont agree with premier riders coming in and probably reducing the earning power of the national league boys and the yanks ,,They dont earn much to start with,,suppose it might put a few more on the gate though..Feel sorry for Shane and James to who have effectively lost a meeting ,,and the associated earnings Edited April 10, 2012 by waco

[Rockets]

Waco would nt they have been missing anyway?

[BigDave1]

I notice on the Rye House website that admission is £12. I was led to believe all Raiders fixtures were £10, obviously the £2 extra is to pay for Garrity & Hawkins although It states that they are riding in this fixture as they both wish to test their equipment. So really its just a glorified training session for them both that we are asked to pay extra for.

[Dekker]

hawkins is a NL rider atm if you realistically look at his form.

[waco]

Waco would nt they have been missing anyway?

The stoke under 21 qualifier was cancelled last sat so,, no they wouldnt have missed this meeting,, but now it clashes with the U.S.A Meeting.... And Hawkins aint great Dekker... But with his experience though ,,hardly a national league rider,, only ones likely to beat him on sat would be Garrity or Morley,, if they gate in front of him...

[Shadders]

Waco is 100% correct. This USA side look well out of their depth and will be lambs to the slaughter, especially with Ritche and JasonG in the Raiders side... Even if I wasn't out on a works do on Saturday I'd not turn up to watch this. I've been to a couple of these USA touring meetings and they were entertaining, but not with side's this weak.

 

hawkins is a NL rider atm if you realistically look at his form.

 

He's a PL second string riding on an NL reserves bikes

Edited April 10, 2012 by Shadders

[Dekker]

Hawkins real season ave atm is?

[Shadders]

Hawkins real season ave atm is?

5.18 with bonus points, 4.47 without

Edited April 10, 2012 by Shadders

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

Waco is 100% correct. This USA side look well out of their depth and will be lambs to the slaughter, especially with Ritche and JasonG in the Raiders side... Even if I wasn't out on a works do on Saturday I'd not turn up to watch this. I've been to a couple of these USA touring meetings and they were entertaining, but not with side's this weak.

 

Oh and also the Pope's a Catholic...!

[greyhoundp]

You know, i am all in favour of this idea, of The Young Americans, and am fully behind these Teams coming over, BUT and this is the BUT, the meetings have to be competitive, it doesnt matter if the Heat times are 5 seconds slower or something like that, but what does matter is if there is half a lap between the first and last placed rider, supporters will not pay hard earned money to watch something like that.

 

It may well be time in the interests of entertainment, and for the future of these Tours to introduce some kind of handicap racing, something similar to the Olympique that is held at Wolves ie, race winner goes off 30 metres, 2nd place goes off 20 metres, and 3rd placed guy goes off 10 metres, if a rider wins 2 races in a row, then he has a further 10 metre penalty, 3 races another 10 metres and so on, i dont know its just a thought, and only the management know how easy or hard it was to fill the program with dates for this Tour, but looking at the IOW result and Heat details, what was it 12 races before there was a USA heat winner?

Laurence i am sure YOU know i mean well, and i am not criticising, I know the young guys spend lots of money to come here, and they try there hearts out, each and everyone of them, but its time now, that the management looked at ways to make these meetings more competitive, and thought of constructive ways to help the guys, and stop them becoming disheartened and demoralised before they even start out on there Speedway careers.

 

In my opinion, you need to try to achieve two added things to these Tours to help them become a long term established event.

 

1. From the riders point of view, they cannot become competitive and achieve NL heat leader standard overnight, and to help them to not become demoralised, some sort of Handicap system HAS to be introduced.

 

2. This will also help to achieve what the supporters need which is entertainment.

 

If i am speaking out of turn, then i am sorry, but its how i feel. These Tours need to be refreshed and i would like to read others thoughts on this matter, because i am sure most people want these Tours to continue, and there is a depth of support in the UK for American riders, they dont miss many meetings as some other countries riders seem to do, and there has always been Characters produced for whatever reason, so to encourage the development of American riders, these Tours need to continue.

Edited April 10, 2012 by greyhoundp

[SteveEvans]

You know, i am all in favour of this idea, of The Young Americans, and am fully behind these Teams coming over, BUT and this is the BUT, the meetings have to be competitive, it doesnt matter if the Heat times are 5 seconds slower or something like that, but what does matter is if there is half a lap between the first and last placed rider, supporters will not pay hard earned money to watch something like that.

 

It may well be time in the interests of entertainment, and for the future of these Tours to introduce some kind of handicap racing, something similar to the Olympique that is held at Wolves ie, race winner goes off 30 metres, 2nd place goes off 20 metres, and 3rd placed guy goes off 10 metres, if a rider wins 2 races in a row, then he has a further 10 metre penalty, 3 races another 10 metres and so on, i dont know its just a thought, and only the management know how easy or hard it was to fill the program with dates for this Tour, but looking at the IOW result and Heat details, what was it 12 races before there was a USA heat winner?

Laurence i am sure YOU know i mean well, and i am not criticising, I know the young guys spend lots of money to come here, and they try there hearts out, each and everyone of them, but its time now, that the management looked at ways to make these meetings more competitive, and thought of constructive ways to help the guys, and stop them becoming disheartened and demoralised before they even start out on there Speedway careers.

 

In my opinion, you need to try to achieve two added things to these Tours to help them become a long term established event.

 

1. From the riders point of view, they cannot become competitive and achieve NL heat leader standard overnight, and to help them to not become demoralised, some sort of Handicap system HAS to be introduced.

 

2. This will also help to achieve what the supporters need which is entertainment.

 

If i am speaking out of turn, then i am sorry, but its how i feel. These Tours need to be refreshed and i would like to read others thoughts on this matter, because i am sure most people want these Tours to continue, and there is a depth of support in the UK for American riders, they dont miss many meetings as some other countries riders seem to do, and there has always been Characters produced for whatever reason, so to encourage the development of American riders, these Tours need to continue.

 

Everyone can have an opinion Paul and there is much here to take on board.

 

I'm not sure I agree that this team is weak. Tonight 6 of the riders raced equipment they had never ridden before - no practice, racing at Isle of Wight and versus a team with quite an experienced NL 1-5. I'll bet there are teams who will put less on the board than we do. I think we were only down 33-27 in the last 10 heats.

 

The team that is over right now aside from Fox are essentially on a different agenda than usual. They are getting ready for the Under 21 WC Qualifier in the Ukraine next week where Ricky Wells will join them. The more laps done, the better the impression we will make.

 

The team we brought last October was excellent, but with the available fixtures at the end of a very wet season we ran only 1 meeting vs a true NL squad (3 were PL, one was against GB Under 21s) and we came close to winning on opening night at Lynn. The October 2010 team demolished a GBU21 team at Lakeside that was stronger than a typical NL team.

 

In the early Dream Team days tours were every 1-2 years but that wasn't enough to get riders improving and on teams. Coming every 6 months ultimately gave the likes of Ingalls and Burmeister enough meetings in 12 months to be league ready. Possibly the quality of teams has dropped a little with the frequent tours, but coming as often as we do is a necessity. It also should be remembered that in the early days the economy was much better so some riders or their families found it easier to fund these trips. If anything the last two or three teams lacked that #1 ringer to take the pressure of the kids - Buck Blair, Tommy Hedden, Jimmy Fishback, but you can only bring those who have the funding.

 

The Handicapping idea is sound and we did an American style meeting at Leicester last October that used with and was very well received. We'd like to do more of that again at some point.

 

Your opinions are appreciated Paul! I'm not saying mine are better or are right but it may give you an idea as to where I am coming from. We actually were not planning to tour this Spring but circumstances changed around Christmas. I am sure as the meetings go on we will improve and we'll be ready to give our best in Ukraine. And we get a phenomenal reception and great feedback wherever we go!

Edited April 11, 2012 by SteveEvans

[greyhoundp]

Its a catch 22, as you say you can only bring those that have the funding, and its not nececarily those that have the funding, who have the most natural ability, and also the economy has played a big part in recent years, this is what i am saying Steve, whereas a couple of years ago, I wouldnt think twice about going to away meetings, me and many others have to consider the cost nowadays, i live very close to your guys base at the Saltwells, i went to Bournemouth over the weekend, fuel alone cost me £45, and i am sure many people here are in the same boat as me, when it comes to travelling costs.

 

Thats why i say, maybe its time to look at how the Tours are made up, whereas before many came to watch YOUR Teams, mostly as General Speedway fans, and nostalgic reasons from days past, <similar to BV days past> there comes a time for whatever reason, more needs to be done, to attract the local Speedway fan, the non Speedway fan, to make it value for money, and at the same time give YOUR guys the experience that they badly need.

[builderbob]

garrity is a national league rider he is no bettter than a lot of the nl boys but has been given the chance to progress this year ritchie is allso now droping down to nl standard

however this us team is weak perhaps they would have been better at the iow as the last trip on there tour not the first as the iow is so different than what they are used to.

i think the us team will ride the toy track of rye much better, but rye didint need ritchie and jason. should have brought a couple of the riders not attached that are trying to break into the nl.

[Main Man]

May I stick up for the USA Future team --as you would expect me to !! As mentioned they are all on hired bikes which they had not sat on until last night at the IOW and we hit so many niggling mechanical problems it was unreal.

Gino Manzares looked super fast in practice then missed his first two rides when the cut out falied when he had an over-revving bike at the start line for heat 4. Feverish work by mechanics and the IOW technical staff failed to rectify the problem amd an old cut out Chris Strong had in his toolbox went on and solved the problem and it was therefore heat 9 before he had his first ride. He then scored paid 5 from his last two outings including a brilliant 5-1 in heat 13 with Mikey Buman after a heavy rain storm had hit the track. Each and every one of the lads encountered problems throughout the night --and had we been able to arrange a practice somewhere on the Monday these gremlins would have been ironed out.

 

I cannot believe people are coming on here saying this is a weak USA side --it is NOT!! There is mountains of potential and now we have dialled in on the hired bikes things can only get better. After heat 9 you might have thought that with a 40-14 scoreline BUT in the last six races once they were dialled in to the bikes and track we actually outscored the Islanders 19-17 !!

 

I am not saying we would have won but had we ignored the first ten bedding in races which was like our practice and getting set ups right things would have been much closer.

 

In 9 tours we have entertained the British public and will continue to do so. Losing the Kings Lynn fixture tonight is a big blow both financially and race fitness wise. I have tried , unsuccessfully, to get at least at second half on Thursday for the lads which they could have done with.

 

The schedule with a shorter tour than normal is demanding on the riders and our UK back up staff but we will be giving 110% believe me !!

 

Please give the boys a chance - please don't knock them until you've seen them !!

 

 

On another note --was great working with USA team boss Richard Child last night ..with me on crutches getting up and down those long pits was difficult but having two of us working with the boys was great!!

Edited April 11, 2012 by Main Man

[SteveEvans]

Its a catch 22, as you say you can only bring those that have the funding, and its not nececarily those that have the funding, who have the most natural ability, and also the economy has played a big part in recent years, this is what i am saying Steve, whereas a couple of years ago, I wouldnt think twice about going to away meetings, me and many others have to consider the cost nowadays, i live very close to your guys base at the Saltwells, i went to Bournemouth over the weekend, fuel alone cost me £45, and i am sure many people here are in the same boat as me, when it comes to travelling costs.

 

Thats why i say, maybe its time to look at how the Tours are made up, whereas before many came to watch YOUR Teams, mostly as General Speedway fans, and nostalgic reasons from days past, <similar to BV days past> there comes a time for whatever reason, more needs to be done, to attract the local Speedway fan, the non Speedway fan, to make it value for money, and at the same time give YOUR guys the experience that they badly need.

 

Its the job of the home promoter to market the opposing team coming in and those that know how to do well when USA rolls in.

 

As far as the funding - I have always found that those who really want to make it in the sport work out how to get on the tour. There is essentially only one other rider outside of the seven in the UK right now who was seriously considered. Several of this team have worked feverishly to put together their budget and more than one rider I have helped personally or found them sponsors.

 

Aside from last October match one of every tour results in a sound beating. You see on this time seven of the brightest spots in US speedway right now and every one of them deserves their shot.

[Dekker]

how do market a team thats basically sub nl standard.