stratton Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 After watching on saturday, do Bjerre and Lindgren need to step up to the plate in the gp series?I like them both, and i think they have the ability but is time passing them by now.They are not young as in exsperience wise but if they are not in the top 8 should they get a place.N.Pedersen i was wrong,the ability is there and he can still be a threat where i thought maybe he was on the downslide.I said at the start that only 4 riders could win the title Hampel,Gollob, Hancock,Crump i see nothing to change my mind which is a bit worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Bjerre has qualified by right but seems to be treading water really, not challenging for top 3. Lindgren is a good league rider but not top 8 GP standard and won't be until Hancock/Gollob/Crump drop out. I would say Bjerre will be ok as he'll keep scraping 7/8th and Lindgren should be ditched along with Harris next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Quite simply we are lacking world class riders. Who would you replace them with? Darcy Ward is the obvious but beyond that there is nobody. Im no fan of Bjerre and yes he had a bad GP but him and definatly Lindgren are in the top 16 riders in the world. The standard at the bottom is poor this year with Bjarne (tho had a good gp) Hans, Harris, Ljung probably never gonna win one or get close so who if Bjerre and Lindgren miss out which could happen, would go in that is any better? Not Janowski maybe Billy Hamill in a couple of years!! Personally if Tai keeps going maybe him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Whilst the NZ GP was quite entertaining and I have absolutely nothing against Greg Hancock, the fact that 40 or nearly 40 somethings continue to dominate the SGP demonstrates the lack of talent coming through the ranks. It's highly likely that Hancock, Gollob and possibly even Crump will all hang up their leathers in the not too distant future, and who's there to replace them? Â The current SGP lineup could well claim to be the weakest in history... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Whilst the NZ GP was quite entertaining and I have absolutely nothing against Greg Hancock, the fact that 40 or nearly 40 somethings continue to dominate the SGP demonstrates the lack of talent coming through the ranks. It's highly likely that Hancock, Gollob and possibly even Crump will all hang up their leathers in the not too distant future, and who's there to replace them? Â The current SGP lineup could well claim to be the weakest in history... Â Quite amazing when you consider that Gollob won his first world title at close to 40, some riders could go 20 years between an u-21 title and a senior title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Bjerre has qualified by right. Â What a stupid thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Dear me Kris Ad you do seem totally cluless on some things dont you. Yes Bjerre qualified by right i give you that but the point of the thread is that these 2 riders are around the cut off point each year but continue to qualify and yes if Bjerre comes top 8 he will deserve his place and they are both lucky that there are no real worthwhile contenders to take their place. Look at 2000 for an example LORAM, HAMILL, RICKARDSSON, CRUMP, HANCOCK, ADAMS, GOLLOB, WILTSHIRE was the top 8 followed by sullivan, louis,nilsen,danno, mikeal karlsson,henka,pk,screen and even dugard won a gp as a wildcard. With the possible exception of Danno both Bjerre and Lindgren are not as good as any of these guys. Â So yes i would have both in the gp next year even if they are 8th and 9th as the quality is so poor nowadays and although Bjerre is a bottling gating tart, Freddie is a racer and these 2 far better than boring Bjarne or Protasiewicz again hell lets get Ulamek back in as well!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Bjerre has qualified by right. Â What a stupid thread. My point was i like both riders, yes they are in on merit and yes they are in the top 16 riders in the world.But if they come 9 or 10 th do they keep getting in?Janowski and Ward certainly will get in the series soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 It's the first GP of the season, for pity's sake. Â One Swallow doesn't make a summer (although one made my Sunday arvo in Auckland!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I would say that Lindback, Sayfutdinov, Holder, Ward easily have the potential to fill the void left by Crump etc. There will also be others along in the next few years able to challenge for honours, no need for doom and gloom about top quality riders for the future in my opinion. Â Lindgren qualified for the semi finals and was on the pace and Bjerre broke down twice so not sure quite why their future should be in doubt already. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Bjerre A blown engine and a popped rear tyre from 2 rides and 2 2nd places - so lets right him off  Harris - he must be there, cause he's planning to go out and win his next race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 While Bjerre and Lindgren are borderline for top 8 they are definately in the top 16 GP riders so they have every right to be considered if they drop out of the 8. Should ALL riders be made to Qualify for the next seasons GP? that would solve all the problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 While Bjerre and Lindgren are borderline for top 8 they are definately in the top 16 GP riders so they have every right to be considered if they drop out of the 8. Should ALL riders be made to Qualify for the next seasons GP? that would solve all the problems. Be great wont happen ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Bjerre and Lindgren are completely different. Â Bjerre finishes in the Top 8 Lindgren relies on a wildcard. Â What makes you think Janowski or Ward would do better than Bjerre; Kenneth is a proven world class rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 While Bjerre and Lindgren are borderline for top 8 they are definately in the top 16 GP riders so they have every right to be considered if they drop out of the 8. Should ALL riders be made to Qualify for the next seasons GP? that would solve all the problems. Â So you want riders to ride in 11 or 12 GP's plus do the qualifiers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 So you want riders to ride in 11 or 12 GP's plus do the qualifiers? Why not. They would race 7 nights a week if the money was there.They do 4 countries a WEEK when it suits.IF they had to do Qualifiers they would manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Maybe not in his first season but after that Ward would be above Bjerre every time. Can Bjerre be world champion or even on the rostrum.......NO! Could Ward be world champion or on the rostrum one day ......YES! Â At this stage Bjerre has achieved more due to his age lets see where these two are at in the next 2 years and who has the most success in their career. Only a fool would say Bjerre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) They do 4 countries a WEEK when it suits.IF they had to do Qualifiers they would manage. Â It would surely be a bit bizarre though, to determine all the qualifiers for a GP series on the basis of a knockout competition. And what would happen if the GP champion (or high finisher) got knocked out in the first round of the qualifiers...? Â Surely better to use league averages or something similar as the qualification criteria, although personally I'd like to see some sort of second-half competition in league meetings and use those as the basis of SGP qualification (and bring back World of Sport whilst we're at it)... Edited April 3, 2012 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 The reason why the top four seasoned ( older) riders of Gollob, Hancock, Crump and Pedersen are still dominating the SGP is down to their mentality and desire to be succesful on the worlds stage. Their drive and dedication ensures they leave no stone un-turned in their quest to succeed. It comes from experience and they all know they have that in-born self belief. Of the younger generation, only Hampel , AJ and Sayfutdinov have consistantly shown, they are in the same bracket. Others like Lindback have mixed it at times but no-one else has attained the standard that is needed to figure in the finals regularly. Â Both Bjerre and Lindgren are good riders, and would figure in most people top 16. But the difference is that neither have shown, the desire, belief or the mentality to totally focus their aim on the SGP. Looking at them competing in these big events, i get the impression that they turn up and expect it to happen. Just look at what happened in New Zealand!!! Â Thats the difference between, being 'Good' and 'World Class' Â Sadly there's a lot of riders who fall into this catagory....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Sadly there's a lot of riders who fall into this catagory....... And thank goodness they do imo!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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