gaptooth Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Well done to Marc, hope it comes good for him this year after some rubbish luck in the past. Without a doubt one of ,if not the most naturally talented riders of his age around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 With my involvement with training schools and watching these kids, I am more than hopeful for the future. Look at Danny Philips from Middlesbrough, Max Clegg of Sheffield and Josh Bates, the first 2 are 15 year old and are the reserve partnership at Scunny NL team and Josh is in at Mildenhall. Saw a lot of these kids last year at Buxton Youth Training day for U15, and you would be very impressed with them as riders as well as young men. Unfortunately this years day was postponed last Tuesday and I had two riders down aged 15 and 7 year olds. Sure you are right i look for these lads results be great if a few of them do well for themselves and the sport.The main thing for them is to enjoy what they are doing to me thats the most important thing in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Sure you are right i look for these lads results be great if a few of them do well for themselves and the sport.The main thing for them is to enjoy what they are doing to me thats the most important thing in life. Sydney, If you ever get chance pop to Scunny to an Amateur meeting in the winter. See 60 odd races of mostly youngsters ( few older ones riding for pleasure ) Its great, these kids go hell for leather. Names like the Worrall twins, Ashley BIrks, G Irvin, K Howarth ,J Sargeants., A Morris , S Neilson, A Wrathall all progressed to N/L and even Prem as you will know. This year D. Phillips O. Greenwood and Tom Young been getting loads of practice and have done the AM meetings. I'm expecting them to improve in the NL this year. Other training schools operate, W Carter has a busy one on the training track at Scunny plus Newcastle, Stoke, K. Lynn and possibly others are doing their bit to give youngsters a chance. So whilst the system in your eyes is maybe not like it used to be there are many people dedicated to helping our young brits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) Sydney, If you ever get chance pop to Scunny to an Amateur meeting in the winter. See 60 odd races of mostly youngsters ( few older ones riding for pleasure ) Its great, these kids go hell for leather. Names like the Worrall twins, Ashley BIrks, G Irvin, K Howarth ,J Sargeants., A Morris , S Neilson, A Wrathall all progressed to N/L and even Prem as you will know. This year D. Phillips O. Greenwood and Tom Young been getting loads of practice and have done the AM meetings. I'm expecting them to improve in the NL this year. Other training schools operate, W Carter has a busy one on the training track at Scunny plus Newcastle, Stoke, K. Lynn and possibly others are doing their bit to give youngsters a chance. So whilst the system in your eyes is maybe not like it used to be there are many people dedicated to helping our young brits. All of them you named June are promising, Birks the Worralls Howarth going well the other young uns i notice are scoring good points.Only been to Scunny once in the Big Arthur and Phil White days years ago. Edited April 16, 2012 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickp Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Getting back to the U21 meeting could someone from Stoke answer these questions:- 1 Since it was a Saturday why couldn't the meeting be started at 6 o'clock to allow for any contingences, because of the 10 o'clock curfew, or is there a restriction on starting times as well.  2 Only one ambulance and then have to phone for county ambulance if there is an injury. This happened and also delayed the meeting. Why not two ambulances from the start.  3 Was the track watered or was the state of the track down to the weather.  These young lads do not get a lot of cash for riding probably £10 a point, so the riders had a potential 3/4 more rides giving them a chance to earn another £90minimum. This would have gone a long way to help pay for diesel, tyres and other racing incidentals.  The crowd was quite poor and the cynic that I am I would of thought the management would have been quite pleased with the early finish since with 8 heats missing a potential £480 was not payed out.  After the fiasco of Dudleys meeting there last year when the management couldn't organise the paramedic and we had to wait ages for someone to turn up and travel from Birmingham I don't think I will be going to Stoke again in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Getting back to the U21 meeting could someone from Stoke answer these questions:- 1 Since it was a Saturday why couldn't the meeting be started at 6 o'clock to allow for any contingences, because of the 10 o'clock curfew, or is there a restriction on starting times as well.  2 Only one ambulance and then have to phone for county ambulance if there is an injury. This happened and also delayed the meeting. Why not two ambulances from the start.  3 Was the track watered or was the state of the track down to the weather.  These young lads do not get a lot of cash for riding probably £10 a point, so the riders had a potential 3/4 more rides giving them a chance to earn another £90minimum. This would have gone a long way to help pay for diesel, tyres and other racing incidentals.  The crowd was quite poor and the cynic that I am I would of thought the management would have been quite pleased with the early finish since with 8 heats missing a potential £480 was not payed out.  After the fiasco of Dudleys meeting there last year when the management couldn't organise the paramedic and we had to wait ages for someone to turn up and travel from Birmingham I don't think I will be going to Stoke again in the near future. Not sure that we will get anyone from Stoke commenting on your points made as the few that I know do not rate the forum and the views expressed that highly, so as a Potters supporter I may take a stab and the things i get wrong will be corrected I'm sure.  1 - I Think that the start time is set by the BSPA as it is their meeting. Stoke must have an input I'm sure and the length of the meeting did suggest that an earlier start was a must. 2 - Are two ambulances the norm at most tracks; not sure. Again very sensible to have two as one trip in the van stops the racing until a fresh one arrives. May be the cost, although what cost is there to safety. 3 - A lot has been made about the "state" of the track especially on updates which I find strange as your view can only be tainted as you cannot see the track. I'm sure I saw the water truck going around before the start but could be mistaken. Apart from bend 3 and 4 which were sorted with the track grade there wasn't anything wrong with the track; views expressed by one of the riders ; I cannot say I heard that but read it. The falls were caused by most trying to hard in their first competitive rides of the season; again in the press. The sentinel (thisisstaffordshire site) if anybody wants to look. The under 21 manager suggested that it be put back a month which to me makes sense as the riders will be in their stride by then. The money side of it is open to debate but there needed to be another four heats ridden to bring everyone "level" again with rides and with Jake's fall and trip to hospital, resulting in the wait for the returning ambulance, that was never going to happen before 10.00pm. Did we have two problems with paramedics last year?. I know on one occasion the reason for the none appearance of the paramedic was a fatal accident on the M6 motorway causing a delay as he/she was caught up in the backlog, not really Stokes fault I'm sure we would all agree. Stoke have a lot to get the speedway people back on side, but do feel they come in for some unfair stick at times. I'm sure someone more qualified than myself will reply......if they care to read the posts on the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 All of them you named June are promising, Birks the Worralls Howarth going well the other young uns i notice are scoring good points.Only been to Scunny once in the Big Arthur and Phil White days years ago. Remember those days well. Phil was my favourite rider then. met up with him at a meeting in Buxton a few years ago. had a long chat reminising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Remember those days well. Phil was my favourite rider then. met up with him at a meeting in Buxton a few years ago. had a long chat reminising. Forgot Wuffy bless him, Mckinlay when he was 60?still good no he was in his 40s.Am a fan of Josh so might take in another visit see Birks as well looks a great track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Wuffy was a prominent figure and a very popular guy at Scunny. When he brought Tai over to ride ( Tai was in plaster with a broken ankle I think it was ). I remember us all waiting forTais first outing as a youngster so well. 2006/2007 the team of Tai, Josh, Tully, Richie Dennis, Benji, Byron Bekker and led by Wayne Carter was such a happy bunch, really enjoyed themselves, what a team! gave us so many happy memories winning everything. I'm hoping Tai will have a good year and make the Grand prix at Cardiff. I didn't go last year. not enough british interest . Josh is doing really well and its brill to have him back at Scunny. Ash Birks Ive followed since he started practicing on our track and hes doing great.If you make a visit to Scunny you will for sure see some excellent racing with loads of passing! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) Not sure that we will get anyone from Stoke commenting on your points made as the few that I know do not rate the forum and the views expressed that highly, so as a Potters supporter I may take a stab and the things i get wrong will be corrected I'm sure.  1 - I Think that the start time is set by the BSPA as it is their meeting. Stoke must have an input I'm sure and the length of the meeting did suggest that an earlier start was a must. 2 - Are two ambulances the norm at most tracks; not sure. Again very sensible to have two as one trip in the van stops the racing until a fresh one arrives. May be the cost, although what cost is there to safety. 3 - A lot has been made about the "state" of the track especially on updates which I find strange as your view can only be tainted as you cannot see the track. I'm sure I saw the water truck going around before the start but could be mistaken. Apart from bend 3 and 4 which were sorted with the track grade there wasn't anything wrong with the track; views expressed by one of the riders ; I cannot say I heard that but read it. The falls were caused by most trying to hard in their first competitive rides of the season; again in the press. The sentinel (thisisstaffordshire site) if anybody wants to look. The under 21 manager suggested that it be put back a month which to me makes sense as the riders will be in their stride by then. The money side of it is open to debate but there needed to be another four heats ridden to bring everyone "level" again with rides and with Jake's fall and trip to hospital, resulting in the wait for the returning ambulance, that was never going to happen before 10.00pm. Did we have two problems with paramedics last year?. I know on one occasion the reason for the none appearance of the paramedic was a fatal accident on the M6 motorway causing a delay as he/she was caught up in the backlog, not really Stokes fault I'm sure we would all agree. Stoke have a lot to get the speedway people back on side, but do feel they come in for some unfair stick at times. I'm sure someone more qualified than myself will reply......if they care to read the posts on the forum.  Two ambulances will cost about £600-800 for the session dependent on who the provider is. The medical requirements require either 2 A&E standard ambulances with crew or 1 A&E standard ambulance plus a fully equiped first aid room where a casualty can be treated until a NHS ambulance arrives, most medical officers inform ambulance control and the nearest A&E unit that a meeting is taking place with the start and finish time Edited April 18, 2012 by CMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) The draw for the Final has been made. LINE-UP: Tom Perry, Kyle Howarth, Robert Branford, Ben Morley, Marc Owen, Kyle Newman, Joe Haines, Adam Wrathall, Steven Worrall, Ashley Morris, Stefan Nielsen, Richie Worrall, James Sarjeant, Jerran Hart, Jason Garrity, Joe Jacobs. Reserves: Ben Hopwood, Richard Franklin. Â http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.15216 Edited April 17, 2012 by MrMungo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Two ambulances will cost about £600-800 for the session dependent on who the provider is. The medical requirements require either 2 A&E standard ambulances with crew or 1 A&E standard ambulance plus a fully equiped first aid room where a casualty can be treated until a NHS ambulance arrives, most medical officers inform ambulance control and the nearest A&E unit that a meeting is taking place with the start anf finish time  Two ambulances isn't really the issue here as the delays where as a result of the Paramedic being unavailable for racing to continue as he was treating the riders concerned. It is irrelevant how many ambulances you have if there is only one paramedic and he/she is attending to a patient. Racing, quite rightly, cannot continue until he/she is available. In Stoke's defence most tracks call for County to transport a rider to hospital although there are a few exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Elmes Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 The draw for the Final has been made. LINE-UP: Tom Perry, Kyle Howarth, Robert Branford, Ben Morley, Marc Owen, Kyle Newman, Joe Haines, Adam Wrathall, Steven Worrall, Ashley Morris, Stefan Nielsen, Richie Worrall, James Sarjeant, Jerran Hart, Jason Garrity, Joe Jacobs. Reserves: Ben Hopwood, Richard Franklin. Â Great to see that 7 of these have had the benefit of racing in Australia under the Darren & Sharon Boocock Scholarship. If Josh Auty hadn't just missed the age cut, he'd be in there too. It's not only their on-track qualities that have developed, but also their overall focus on speedway. They have become more confident, more self-reliant, more mature and more professional. It is hoped that the BSPA will see this (I doubt it though) and support this venture which is quite obviously helping to develop the future of British speedway. Â Gavin Elmes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 The draw for the Final has been made. LINE-UP: Tom Perry, Kyle Howarth, Robert Branford, Ben Morley, Marc Owen, Kyle Newman, Joe Haines, Adam Wrathall, Steven Worrall, Ashley Morris, Stefan Nielsen, Richie Worrall, James Sarjeant, Jerran Hart, Jason Garrity, Joe Jacobs. Reserves: Ben Hopwood, Richard Franklin.    Looks a good line up this,hope to be able to get down to watch it  Half the field started out at Scunny so will be good to see which one wins it  Howarth,Richie and Steve Worrall are my top 3 i think,in any order! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Howarth or R Worrall. Nailed on certainty they will be top 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Howarth or R Worrall. Nailed on certainty they will be top 2. , I wouldnt be to sure about that Cookie, depends how much they both want it, young Mr Garrity might have something to say about that, Tom P could beat either of them in a 1 off. if he gets to the Final, Kyle Newman is very capable, and going on form young Marc Owen seems to have had a decent start to the season..I will go Kyle Howarth to win, Marc Owen as the dark horse. Â Â Tom Perry, Has undoubted ability, cant put 5 good gates together. Kyle Howarth, has started the season in cracking form, my favourite to win. Robert Branford, Rob seems down on confidence at the moment, on his day can beat any of these. Ben Morley, Ben has never seemed comfortable when i have seen him at Monmore. Marc Owen, Marc has recaptured his promise of a few seasons ago, when everyone wanted to sign him. Kyle Newman, another rider who seems down on confidence at the moment, again on his day can beat any of these. Joe Haines, Slowly getting back to near his best, sadly not there yet. Adam Wrathall, Sorry to have to say, but Adam is not up to the standard of some of the others, will struggle, but give 100%. Steven Worrall, Steve has been left behind by his brother, but again is capable of beating anyone here. Ashley Morris, Ash can beat any of these,especially on his own track, but he is another suffering a slow start to the season. Stefan Nielsen, If he gates he may well win a race,if he doesnt likely to be a faller. Richie Worrall,Rich has to be one of the favourites, storming start to the season in the Nl, and PL, top 3 finish. James Sarjeant, James will still have a point to prove, could upset 1 or 2 of the more established stars. Jerran Hart, Another rider who has a point to prove, not sure how much he has seen of Monmore,which could prove his undoing. Jason Garrity, Jase is the guy Heathens fans love to hate, which always seems to spur him on, Top 4 finish. Joe Jacobs, JJ seems to have had a decent start to the season, but as with 1 or 2 others not yet ready to win this. Â Hopefully the weather will relent, and this meeting can go ahead, if it does i expect the Worralls, Howarth, Garrity, Perry,and Newman to be up there, but i am also expecting, one of the lesser known riders to be up there, so i and going to plump for Marc Owen, to at least get to a semi, along with Ash Morris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 It's all well ans good saying that some of these riders may go on to do something but how to they compared to Emil Sayfutdinov who at 19 was wining GPs?! Even Richardsson and Nicholls were 7 and 8 point EL riders when they were 19 and 20 down at Poole. Yet these days out best under 21 rider is who? We're looking at Haines, Worrall and Hart who are all PL reserve at present. Very scary really. Those asking when the next lot of youngsters are going to come from are asking fair and valid questions. The riders who qualify from the GB U21's to the Worlds are going to be chewed up and spat out - It's not their fault that theres nobody better than them in the UK and good luck to them, but we have something wrong with our system if we can only get our best under 21 riders to PL reserve level! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) It's all well ans good saying that some of these riders may go on to do something but how to they compared to Emil Sayfutdinov who at 19 was wining GPs?! Even Richardsson and Nicholls were 7 and 8 point EL riders when they were 19 and 20 down at Poole. Yet these days out best under 21 rider is who? We're looking at Haines, Worrall and Hart who are all PL reserve at present. Very scary really. Those asking when the next lot of youngsters are going to come from are asking fair and valid questions. The riders who qualify from the GB U21's to the Worlds are going to be chewed up and spat out - It's not their fault that theres nobody better than them in the UK and good luck to them, but we have something wrong with our system if we can only get our best under 21 riders to PL reserve level! Â It does read more like a NLRC than an under-21 final. I think Worrall and Howarth, and maybe Garrity, will be the only stand-outs in years to come from this field. Edited April 20, 2012 by JCookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 This meeting has the potential to be a bit of a cracker. Many of the field have started the season well and have also taken large strides of improvement. Â If I stayed closer to the track I'd definitely going to see this one. Â Enjoy. Â For my money R Worral will win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cat2 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Good luck to kyle and tom in the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.