speedy bill Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) i have heard that riders who have not got team places in national league this year will not be allowed to ride in the junior league after it was said they could have one per team.Just what are they supposed to do with all the equipment who are the heartless people who have made this decision i bet its promotors who fill there teams with foreign. riders and never even rode themselves rubbish british speedway again.Can anyone confirm this please Edited March 2, 2012 by bw double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 I would have thought as long as they are Junior then they should be able to ride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 bw double,you have lost me now,first you state a load of facts,slag everyone off,then ask if anyone can confirm this??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) I believe it is for trainees that do not have a National League team .but one reserve from the national league team may be included in the line up..I Think this thread should be under Junior leagues..But there does not seemto be one yet.... Edited March 3, 2012 by waco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Waco if you are right,that means riders like Luke Chessell Luke Preist Matt Bates Gareth Isherwood Ben Hopwood to name a few are now on the scrap heap.Great all young british riders wow we do look after our own dont we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 With the greatest of respects to those you mention, are they really "great young British riders"? Yes, they have all done a job, but I wouldn't say any of them are at the very beginning of their careers, and all have had chances to progress (I find it hard to include Luke here as he was doing well until those horrific injuries) There is only ever a finite amount of team spaces, and given that a team has been lost, that is 7 spaces gone instantly. Sometimes people just miss out! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Vog you got my words in the wrong order to suite you.Great young british riders.I said. { Great all young British riders }meaning its all britts with no team.It trickles down from The Elite league AND premier league allowed to many foreign riders in there leagues.I am aware that we are two teams down on last year but all but two of Belle Vue team have retired or moved on..The way things are handled in this sport i can see allot more young British riders packing it in they just seem to be banging their heads against a brick wall that just get s higher all the time.So all the lads left out should be allowed to ride in the junior league because that is all that is left for them.they cant afford to have thousands of pounds worth of speedway equipment stuck in a shed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Being the Elite League snob that I freely admit to being, I do not think there are that many young brits who have the balls try it at the top level for any period of time ... Chris Neath being the prime example, a few years ago he was offred the chance of a full time ride at Wolves ... he chose as many do now to take the easier picking of the 2nd Division ... not major problem, I think its ok to understand the level of your ability. So they will not progress to be top riders anyway due to the lack of top opposition .... so maybe they are being done a favour here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Being the Elite League snob that I freely admit to being, I do not think there are that many young brits who have the balls try it at the top level for any period of time ... Chris Neath being the prime example, a few years ago he was offred the chance of a full time ride at Wolves ... he chose as many do now to take the easier picking of the 2nd Division ... not major problem, I think its ok to understand the level of your ability. So they will not progress to be top riders anyway due to the lack of top opposition .... so maybe they are being done a favour here ? Just remember "ANY" person who rides a speedway bike flat out with three others has "BALLS" and IMO s/way in this country is in a complete mess not just at NL level but across the board "turkeys voting for christmas has always been the problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) I believe it is for trainees that do not have a National League team .but one reserve from the national league team may be included in the line up..I Think this thread should be under Junior leagues..But there does not seemto be one yet.... With the greatest of respects to those you mention, are they really "great young British riders"? Yes, they have all done a job, but I wouldn't say any of them are at the very beginning of their careers, and all have had chances to progress (I find it hard to include Luke here as he was doing well until those horrific injuries) There is only ever a finite amount of team spaces, and given that a team has been lost, that is 7 spaces gone instantly. Sometimes people just miss out! The MDL has 7 teams the AJL has 6 the NJL has 3 or 4 thats(and there are rumblings I think of a SJL) 18ish teams min 4 riders per team. That is 72 riders do you think there are 72 youngsters out there trying to get into speedway. I think you maybe confusing the Junior Championship with the mid 2000's when they couldn't accomodate all riders. If anything these lads you mention will 1) hopefully play their part in getting more teams back and 2 help up and coming riders to find their way and hopefully find the next World Cup winning team. ( I prefer team events to the IND. GP's) If a rookie lines up with MB or LP then it will give them a marker to measure themselves against. In other countries you see top riders ridng agaimst youngsters or juniors against the likes of Davie Watt and Chris Holder it gives the lads something to work towards if you are constantly racing against your own class you never have anything to work towards. It would be nice if the likes of Nicholls, Harris, etc would do ind meetings against the youngsters but I cant see that ever happening. There is a snobery in this country that needs to be brushed off. The only one I know of is the much maligned Woffenden who doesn't seem to care who he goes out with and is seen to be riding against. Edited March 4, 2012 by TMW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Just remember "ANY" person who rides a speedway bike flat out with three others has "BALLS" and IMO s/way in this country is in a complete mess not just at NL level but across the board "turkeys voting for christmas has always been the problem. NEVER said they dont have the balls to ride the bike ... I said they donthave the balls to try the top level ... and I stand by that Yes the sport is in a bit of a mess ... but we still have lots of prime time live coverage every week, sometimes 2 or 3 times a week ... only football can hold a light to speedway for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builderbob Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 i have said this before, the problem starts with premier league the premier league signs second rate foriegners, averages drop, so they can now strengthen the side, but it usually means the brit reserve or second string is droped not the under acheiving foriegner. some of the riders mentioned above have appeared in the prem and have achieved above there starting average, where as some foriegn riders in the prem are still riding after riding for a few years having never got there average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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