chunky Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) Bob Andrews, Cyril Maidment, Eric Williams, Ron Mountford, Arthur Forrest...... I came very close to mentioning Maido, but didn't want to appear too biased (although his best years were at Hyde Rd, of course) and Mountford. Good call with Forrest too, and to confirm, White Knight, he was the 'Black Prince'. Another few who haven't (I don't think, anyway) been discussed include the Grahame brothers, Jim Lightfoot, Chris Pusey, Tony Davey, George Hunter, Alan Hunt, and Jimmy Gooch. Others who merit inclusion here are Roy Trigg, Steve Bastable, Eric Boothroyd, Howard Cole, Dick Bradley, and Ronnie Genz. And yes, sidney, Bill Kitchen. Steve Edited March 2, 2012 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 I came very close to mentioning Maido, but didn't want to appear too biased (although his best years were at Hyde Rd, of course) and Mountford. Good call with Forrest too, and yes, White Knight, he was the 'Black Prince'. Another few who haven't (I don't think, anyway) been discussed include the Grahame brothers, Jim Lightfoot, Chris Pusey, Tony Davey, George Hunter, Alan Hunt, and Jimmy Gooch. Others who merit inclusion here are Roy Trigg, Steve Bastable, Eric Boothroyd, Howard Cole, Dick Bradley, and Ronnie Genz. Steve Thank you chunky. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Neil Evitts, Martin Dugard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Neil Evitts, Martin Dugard. Is this simply now a list of all British riders rather than ones of any particular note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) Is this simply now a list of all British riders rather than ones of any particular note Lol.Seems like it,as Nicholls,Harris and Richardson can easily be compared to a number of the names now getting mentioned.Start by talking about Peter Craven and end up mentioning Evitts,Doncaster and the Grahame Bros Edited March 2, 2012 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) Lol.Seems like it,as Nicholls,Harris and Richardson can easily be compared to a number of the names now getting mentioned.Start by talking about Peter Craven and end up mentioning Evitts,Doncaster and the Grahame Bros Think you're being a little harsh on Doncaster; a regular 9-point man in a strong BL, and a World Championship bronze medalist... Steve Edited March 2, 2012 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Lol.Seems like it,as Nicholls,Harris and Richardson can easily be compared to a number of the names now getting mentioned.Start by talking about Peter Craven and end up mentioning Evitts,Doncaster and the Grahame Bros Craven the cream dont know how high on the list the three you mentioned would be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Craven the cream dont know how high on the list the three you mentioned would be? Well i would put all three higher up than quite a few that have been mentioned.Nicholls won the Czech Golden Helmet,which at the time was a big meeting with a world class line-up.Richardson was World U21 champ and Harris did win the British GP.Just on that i would put them up higher than probably half the riders being mentioned over the last day......Just my opinion though.But that is the way with these threads.Starts out fair enough,but then people seem to want to get their two-penneth worth in and you just end up with a list of riders.Half of which you wouldn't mention in the same category as Craven,Collins or Lee....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Well i would put all three higher up than quite a few that have been mentioned.Nicholls won the Czech Golden Helmet,which at the time was a big meeting with a world class line-up.Richardson was World U21 champ and Harris did win the British GP.Just on that i would put them up higher than probably half the riders being mentioned over the last day......Just my opinion though.But that is the way with these threads.Starts out fair enough,but then people seem to want to get their two-penneth worth in and you just end up with a list of riders.Half of which you wouldn't mention in the same category as Craven,Collins or Lee....... No you are right iris the 3 elite, plus Farndon Crutcher ect) personally out of the list i would have Bomber half way the other two in the bottom half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Wasn't Arthur Forrest known as the 'Black Prince' Norbold? Good call with Forrest too, and to confirm, White Knight, he was the 'Black Prince' Beaten to it! He was known as the Black Prince because he always had immaculate black shiny leathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Beaten to it! He was known as the Black Prince because he always had immaculate black shiny leathers. Thank you too norbold. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom House Kid Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Being a Hammers fan I cant beleive I have come up with this list but here goes. 1. Eric langton 2. Tom Farndon 3. Jack Parker 4. Peter Craven 5. Peter Collins With a West Ham bias 1. Tommy Croombs (Class act) 2. Tiger Stevenson (Best Rider 1933 plauged by injury) 3. Arthur Atkinson (Never reached his full potential) 4. Malcolm Craven (A bit hit and miss) 5. Ken Mckinlay (by far the best british ammer ) 6. Simmons/Hunter (Simmo long term/ hunter as a ammer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Being a Hammers fan I cant beleive I have come up with this list but here goes. 1. Eric langton 2. Tom Farndon 3. Jack Parker 4. Peter Craven 5. Peter Collins With a West Ham bias 1. Tommy Croombs (Class act) 2. Tiger Stevenson (Best Rider 1933 plauged by injury) 3. Arthur Atkinson (Never reached his full potential) 4. Malcolm Craven (A bit hit and miss) 5. Ken Mckinlay (by far the best british ammer ) 6. Simmons/Hunter (Simmo long term/ hunter as a ammer) Great list Custom house kid Eric Langton a surprise where is Mike the bike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 No you are right iris the 3 elite, plus Farndon Crutcher ect) personally out of the list i would have Bomber half way the other two in the bottom half. Even though none of the three fulfilled their potential, I would put Nicholls as the best of the bunch, followed by Harris. Realistically, Nicholls would be the only one who I would even consider including in a list of the Top 30 British riders, not that I've thought about it that much... Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Even though none of the three fulfilled their potential, I would put Nicholls as the best of the bunch, followed by Harris. Realistically, Nicholls would be the only one who I would even consider including in a list of the Top 30 British riders, not that I've thought about it that much... Steve Am surprised Chunky,i like all 3 Harris a terrific racer Nicholls hope at Coventry gets back on track never really liked Blunsdon dont no why.To be honest all 3 would do well to get in a top 30 i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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norbold Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Good call with Forrest Incidentally, during the period 1955 - 1963, Arthur Forrest was one of only three riders to break the dominance of the Big Five and obtain a World Championship podium spot other than them. This was in 1956 when he beat Peter Craven in a run-off for third place. The other two riders to break the Big Five dominance were Aub Lawson in 1958 and Gote Nordin in 1961 (both third places as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Incidentally, during the period 1955 - 1963, Arthur Forrest was one of only three riders to break the dominance of the Big Five and obtain a World Championship podium spot other than them. This was in 1956 when he beat Peter Craven in a run-off for third place. The other two riders to break the Big Five dominance were Aub Lawson in 1958 and Gote Nordin in 1961 (both third places as well). Indeed such was the dominance of the "big five". Strangely though you get people on here bemoaning how the top eight now rarely changes from one year to the next, a situation entirely brought about by the modern "qualification" system and yet here you show, nearly 60 years ago we had a situation where 24 out of 27 podium places were won by the same 5 riders. No matter how much evidence that things, as regards the top riders staying the same over long periods, are no different to how they always were people still spout the same old lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Indeed such was the dominance of the "big five". Strangely though you get people on here bemoaning how the top eight now rarely changes from one year to the next, a situation entirely brought about by the modern "qualification" system and yet here you show, nearly 60 years ago we had a situation where 24 out of 27 podium places were won by the same 5 riders. No matter how much evidence that things, as regards the top riders staying the same over long periods, are no different to how they always were people still spout the same old lines I think that shows the old system wasnt to bad? apart from 1973 most of the right riders won it.I dont include Muller because he was a terrific talent anyway. A differerent test but i suppose the series is FAIRER but it is a different mental test than the one off pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Indeed such was the dominance of the "big five". Strangely though you get people on here bemoaning how the top eight now rarely changes from one year to the next, a situation entirely brought about by the modern "qualification" system and yet here you show, nearly 60 years ago we had a situation where 24 out of 27 podium places were won by the same 5 riders. No matter how much evidence that things, as regards the top riders staying the same over long periods, are no different to how they always were people still spout the same old lines Strange, your take on this perception. You pick out a period in time that suits your cause and then suggest it’s always liked that. The dominance of the "big five" highlights a period in time when 5 brilliant riders dictated the sport. They were far superior to the other riders at that time and their success rate had nothing to do with qualifying methods, purely down to their brilliance . Now we have a SGP system that is dictated by the qualification method which creates a closed shop scenario, so again, we are getting the same riders figuring in the championship all the time. The two periods in time are miles apart and two entirely different situations. Strange. You picked out a period of the 60’s but you don’t mention the 70’s and 80’s when the World Championships podium positions were far more open. Edited March 4, 2012 by GRW123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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