Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) the NL will always be a league for up a coming riders by its very nature and KL, rye and scunny have different agenders to the others which is fine ,if supporters like June want to watch young up and coming riders then they are very well catered for because the natural way is young riders but not everyone wants to see that and by restricting the league to that you alienate other supporters ,and as i said before ,speedway is not about what the riders want ,its what the people who pay to watch want , we are a form of entertainment not a youth training scheme by being on here and expressing my views i am leaving my self open to be shot down ,which is fine if you dissagree with me then thats ok ,we are all entitled to our views on our sport ,im just putting across mine , i am really passionate about the NL i think its the best speedway this country has got and i want to see it flourish as im sure you all do , one other point i want to know is does phillip rising read the NL on here ,he never comments on it but is always on the forum , just wondered if he did and what his views were and if he dosent that sums up what everybody else thinks of the NL In truth, the disagreement is marginal. I just think it is a matter of compromise and attempting to suit the needs of all the members of the league as much as possible. I have been caught in this debate with those who believe that the NL should be little more than a training league, believe me. My view of which is the best is based more around what I see out on the track rather than any other issue and that is determined far more by the actual circuit than the level at which riders perform. NL speedway, in terms of entertainment and racing, can be as good or bad as either the EL or the PL. As a rider, your opinions are most valued - especially as they are reasoned, practical and passionate. the first of course !! I like NL racing-- and you know it!! Edited February 24, 2012 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Your right Halifax disagreement is only marginal.....As far as I'm concerned all I'd like to see achieved is more brits capable of representing our country in the international competions, like it was in the 70's. I long to see a british World Champ again! Only then I believe we will get the atmospheere and crowds back. Probably wont happen in my lifetime, but I would love my grandson to experience the thrills and spills of those times when we had so many great riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Wool that be the Scunthorpe Saints that were so well supported last year that their promoter was going to pull the plug on them due to two men & a bored dog watching them - until they got to the play offs, when his mood swing medication kicked in & everything became rosy once again? Complete opposite i think,im sure we were in the play off final when Rob decided enough was enough, after watching the play final,i think anyone would have changed there minds I think Scunnys worry was having to start again,as quite rightly,the team was spiltting up and moving on, I am not sure if I can get the comments of the likes of Tigerite and Squall about the quality of NL racing at Scunny, but I think Tigerite said the 1st leg of the NL play off against Mildenhall was the best match he had seen in 2011. He was wrong, because the best one was the 2nd leg at Mildenhall. I think the 2nd leg was just one of those occasions that only happen once in a while,almost beyond words,but the first leg at Scunny was the better racing,Wrathall and Blackbird`s races that night were quite brilliant Edited February 24, 2012 by montie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Complete opposite i think,im sure we were in the play off final when Rob decided enough was enough, after watching the play final,i think anyone would have changed there minds I think Scunnys worry was having to start again,as quite rightly,the team was spiltting up and moving on, Is that the latest version of recent history being ponied out now, is it? The team may well have already made the play-offs before the promoter started moaning about pulling out of the National League, but worrying about breaking the team up - you're having a laugh. - "We're not a stand alone club and every pound it (NL team) loses is a pound out of the PL pot, and it's a matter of survival" - "it all comes out of the pot, which is diminishing quicker and quicker and it's been a tough year as it is" - "the one that's on it's own (NL fixture), 200 people will come and that doesn't pay for anything" all quotes of Rob Godfrey, Speedway Star, 5/11/11. - "I'm actually thinking we might go with a team that is totally about developing new riders" - "I acould give them (raw recuits from an amateur meeting) a job and make the National Leaguewhat I want to make it: a development league" both quotes from Rob Godfrey, Speedway Star, 19/11/11 So, not much evidence of Sucuuny's worry about "having to start again" - quite the opposite, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Is that the latest version of recent history being ponied out now, is it? The team may well have already made the play-offs before the promoter started moaning about pulling out of the National League, but worrying about breaking the team up - you're having a laugh. . Would you be be so kind as to point out where i said he was worried about breaking the team up?? At the time he was worried about starting again is what i said,the team had to be busted apart,it averaged nearly 50! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 So, there's a difference between "breaking the team up" and "starting again"? You DO know that you couldn't have one without the other - they kinda come as a pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 So, there's a difference between "breaking the team up" and "starting again"? You DO know that you couldn't have one without the other - they kinda come as a pair. Breaking the team up wasnt a problem,starting again i.e finding the next Worrals,Birks etc was a worry[along with the financial side of it,fitting meetings in,Sheff pulling out etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Breaking the team up wasnt a problem,starting again i.e finding the next Worrals,Birks etc was a worry[along with the financial side of it,fitting meetings in,Sheff pulling out etc etc Isn't that what the Amateur Meetings are for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Isn't that what the Amateur Meetings are for? one of the reason yes,but no garantee you will find them,which,has happened,but it may not produce any,which this year has Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well even back in November he'd identified a couple - as well as saying that if Sheffield weren't involved Scunthorpe would go it alone. Surely the point of "development" is that you don't know what you're going to get from the "undeveloped". "I'm actually thinking we might go with a team that is totally about developing new riders" - you can almost tasre the fear & trepidation in that quote At this rate you'll be able to identify the date when the Kenny Smith Meeting was rained off last year (as per Mr Hollingsworth, Speedway Star, recently) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Complete opposite i think,im sure we were in the play off final when Rob decided enough was enough, after watching the play final,i think anyone would have changed there minds I think Scunnys worry was having to start again,as quite rightly,the team was spiltting up and moving on, I think the 2nd leg was just one of those occasions that only happen once in a while,almost beyond words,but the first leg at Scunny was the better racing,Wrathall and Blackbird`s races that night were quite brilliant My understanding was that the decision to pull out was made after the play off final (although it might have been made long before) Rob Godfrey changing his opinion some time later. In truth, I think his initial decision to fold the NL team was a matter of finance only. We'll agree to disagree on that one. Heat 10 at Mildenhall was amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well even back in November he'd identified a couple - as well as saying that if Sheffield weren't involved Scunthorpe would go it alone. Surely the point of "development" is that you don't know what you're going to get from the "undeveloped". "I'm actually thinking we might go with a team that is totally about developing new riders" - you can almost tasre the fear & trepidation in that quote At this rate you'll be able to identify the date when the Kenny Smith Meeting was rained off last year (as per Mr Hollingsworth, Speedway Star, recently) Its probably true to say that you don't know what you are going to get from the 'undeveloped' (where speedway is concerned, anyway) but what you can do is identify those who are more likely to go all the way. For that reason, its not a complete stab in the dark. I don't think there is any fear or trepidation in that statement. Whatever anyone might think of Rob Godfrey, Scunthorpe's record for developing young British riders since the club opened is second to none and, to a degree at least, the primary point of King's Lynn, Rye House & Scunthorpe having NL sides is 'having team that is totally about developing new riders'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) A little harsh Actually, Rob Godfrey threatened to pull the plug after they won the league and changed his mind subsequently. Having said that, the gates for stand alone matches were poor. I am not sure if I can get the comments of the likes of Tigerite and Squall about the quality of NL racing at Scunny, but I think Tigerite said the 1st leg of the NL play off against Mildenhall was the best match he had seen in 2011. He was wrong, because the best one was the 2nd leg at Mildenhall. Maybe the NL isn't the place for the saints although Kings Lynn and Rye House want to bring riders through to they are trying to put competitive sides together and from what has been said on here RG has a completley different agenda. Although I'm sure everyone will support the Saints this year and whsh them all the very best I believe for example their first meeting is at away match Mildenhall and I'm not sure Mildenhall supporters are paying for that kind of entertainment but we will see. It's not just the home fans that are paying to see the Saints but people like Stoke fans are paying to watch them away. One more thing, is there too much pressure being put on Adam and Tom? when they are trying to get the breakthrough they need I know SP wont put them under any presssure but he wont need to they will probably do that themselves Only time will tell hpopefully it will be a good experiment PS before I get Worralls and Birks thrown at me 'again' lets not forget these lads were very accomplished MX riders before making the switch where you line up with 40 oponents and have to gat and race to get anywhere Edited February 25, 2012 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 TMW,if the NL isnt the place for the league champions,any ideas as to where there place is??? Your post is the stupid post ive read for a long time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 TMW,if the NL isnt the place for the league champions,any ideas as to where there place is??? I suggest yiu read it again Your post is the stupid post ive read for a long time! Takes one to know one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Maybe the NL isn't the place for the saints although Kings Lynn and Rye House want to bring riders through to they are trying to put competitive sides together and from what has been said on here RG has a completley different agenda. Although I'm sure everyone will support the Saints this year and whsh them all the very best I believe for example their first meeting is at away match Mildenhall and I'm not sure Mildenhall supporters are paying for that kind of entertainment but we will see. It's not just the home fans that are paying to see the Saints but people like Stoke fans are paying to watch them away. One more thing, is there too much pressure being put on Adam and Tom? when they are trying to get the breakthrough they need I know SP wont put them under any presssure but he wont need to they will probably do that themselves Only time will tell hpopefully it will be a good expe Rest assured these youngsters are in good hands under the guidence of Stuart Parnanby. He's brill with them. Have no fear Adam and Tom are looking very impressive at the AM meetings! Its been done before. leave it up to the Scunny crew! Its worked in the past. At least we've got young brits on the ladder to the upper leagues!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 tmw,why not look at the mighty potters,we have still to add two 3 pointers,which along with ben reade,gives a similar team to scunnys,with young rookies in there,do you think stoke or maybe even buxton are in the wrong league for giving young Neale a team place along side blacklock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 PS before I get Worralls and Birks thrown at me 'again' lets not forget these lads were very accomplished MX riders before making the switch where you line up with 40 oponents and have to gat and race to get anywhere Where do you think Danny Phillips and Olly Greenwood came from??????? Maybe the NL isn't the place for the saints You want the NL down to seven teams yes??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy fan Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Where do you think Danny Phillips and Olly Greenwood came from??????? You want the NL down to seven teams yes??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy fan Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 They way the country is at momment it wouldn't surprise me if next year possibly some prem teams could join the national League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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