TMW Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Again,his Pl point money,you know what that is,its deserved Success!!!!!!What not in the real world about that! yes alot of credit has to go to Newcastle,no doubt,ill never forget George English stood on the 2nd bend at a Scunny double header,drooling,wether it was the chips and curry or at the talent on show i guess we will never no I'm not sure you lot actually believe all tis drivle or whether you are on a wind up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I'm not sure you lot actually believe all tis drivle or whether you are on a wind up And what drivle is that??? because one isnt on a wind up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 And what drivle is that??? because one isnt on a wind up..... Everytime this subject comes up we are served 3 choruses of 'Scunthorpe forever' and it is starting to wear a bit now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Everytime this subject comes up we are served 3 choruses of 'Scunthorpe forever' and it is starting to wear a bit now Desperate stuff,as far i can see,its riders being mentioned,not a team,you dont seem to like success,is it anything to do with the colts sadley only lasting one season?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Desperate stuff,as far i can see,its riders being mentioned,not a team,you dont seem to like success,is it anything to do with the colts sadley only lasting one season?? Interesting you mention sounding desperate!!!!! I don't think the loss of a team should be used to win an argument. I think it is sad particularly for Steve and Graham who put so much into it. No I support all the lads and feel for the ones who aren't progressing for whatever reason. P.s Probably because I know what goes into it........I don't think any one of them is s*** and I resent the comment Edited February 21, 2012 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) the point of team speedway even of 3rd division level is for the team to win ,thats what the supporters (the people who without their money through the gates ) want , if its sole purpose is to train riders then the public shouldnt pay to watch , speedway is an entertainment sport at all levels not a youth training scheme, riding aside i watch speedway to be entertained not to watch riders learning , i want good racing ,i dont care if you dragged ole olsen out of retirement and raced him against the under 15 champion ,if its good racing thats what it about , if you want to watch riders learning go to the dragons meetings or the southern track meetings or the amature meetings its free to watch , the 3rd level will never prosper while is thought of a gloryfied training league , supporters need winning teams and in those teams they need hero's ,riders who they can relate to, riders who want the best for ther team and gives their all for that team and it dosent matter if they are just starting out or been around as long as me , as long as they are doing their bit and the team is winning , the supporter wants more ,ive said before on another post that speedway at higher levels is getting to expensive to watch ,the NL offers good value for money but you have to make it a professional looking league that is serious about its racing , i am trying to sound unbiased about these posts cause i see it from my point of being an older rider but my time is coming to an end for racing and i want to see 3rd division speedway flourish, it really deserves better from the bspa , and british speedway in general owes alot to the conference/national league but like most of speedway these days it needs to show some professional outlook before people will start realise what a great product it really is Edited February 21, 2012 by THE DEAN MACHINE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 the point of team speedway even of 3rd division level is for the team to win ,thats what the supporters (the people who without their money through the gates ) want , if its sole purpose is to train riders then the public shouldnt pay to watch , speedway is an entertainment sport at all levels not a youth training scheme, riding aside i watch speedway to be entertained not to watch riders learning , i want good racing ,i dont care if you dragged ole olsen out of retirement and raced him against the under 15 champion ,if its good racing thats what it about , if you want to watch riders learning go to the dragons meetings or the southern track meetings or the amature meetings its free to watch , the 3rd level will never prosper while is thought of a gloryfied training league , supporters need winning teams and in those teams they need hero's ,riders who they can relate to, riders who want the best for ther team and gives their all for that team and it dosent matter if they are just starting out or been around as long as me , as long as they are doing their bit and the team is winning , the supporter wants more ,ive said before on another post that speedway at higher levels is getting to expensive to watch ,the NL offers good value for money but you have to make it a professional looking league that is serious about its racing , i am trying to sound unbiased about these posts cause i see it from my point of being an older rider but my time is coming to an end for racing and i want to see 3rd division speedway flourish, it really deserves better from the bspa , and british speedway in general owes alot to the conference/national league but like most of speedway these days it needs to show some professional outlook before people will start realise what a great product it really is Great post Dean, if we had someone in charge of the bspa who knew half of what you know then we could get somewhere, it was never going to work in Plymouth if it wasn't treated has a 3rd division speedway league, yes like you say british speedway owe alot to the conference/ national league, and they also owe alot to rider's like you Seemond and Buzz Burrow's and rider's like that, because the only way young rider's will learn is to ride against rider's like you Seemond and Buzz who see nothing wrong with rider in the NL because they love the sport and want to give something back. Yup - Stephens and Simmons were no youngsters were they And Plymouth's training facilities... Don't forget Buzz Burrows, he wasn't at Plymouth, who was he with, or has that slipped your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Don't forget Buzz Burrows, he wasn't at Plymouth, who was he with, or has that slipped your mind. Roger - The difference is that Scunthorpe try to have only one 'mature' rider at a time in their team... and have done ever since Wayne Carter in 2005... Bowden used his old mates in the team - instead of young riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Dean great post ,,have you considered applying for the position of national league co-ordinator,,I Believe you would get massive support..Of course not until you have finished enjoying yourself on a speedway bike.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Roger - The difference is that Scunthorpe try to have only one 'mature' rider at a time in their team... and have done ever since Wayne Carter in 2005... Bowden used his old mates in the team - instead of young riders. Your right but do you think us Plymouth supporter's had any say in it, Plymouth is a stand alone club, maybe if we had two team's like Scunthorpe it would be different, i know Plymouth get good support but we still want a good team, but i think we could have got that with a much younger team, if i had a choice of having Tim Webster, Paul Starke or Seemond Stephen's in the Plymouth team i would pick Tim and Paul everytime, not all Plymouth fan's were happy with Mike Bowden's choice of rider's. Edited February 21, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Dean great post ,,have you considered applying for the position of national league co-ordinator,,I Believe you would get massive support..Of course not until you have finished enjoying yourself on a speedway bike.. yes i have thought about possibly looking into it when i finish but ask yourself how did the current co-ordinator get the job , cause from what ive seen in the last few years he is hardly a well liked and respected person ( and i dont mean that on a personal level) just in the job Roger - The difference is that Scunthorpe try to have only one 'mature' rider at a time in their team... and have done ever since Wayne Carter in 2005... Bowden used his old mates in the team - instead of young riders. and had a very heathy fan base , horses for courses, from what i witnessed when i rode for them the isle of wight is mainly a middle aged island (i dont mean that in a nasty way ),its not really a youthfull place so accordingly the crowd on the island is middle aged , so its hard for the supporters to bond with 15 year old riders , im not saying they dont im just saying they seem to bond more with slightly older riders , so surely thats what the isle should cater for , nick simmons is a superstar over there ,he is no spring chicken but he is a rider the fans love on the island and thats what they want to see and if he brings in more fans than a new rider just learning then thats what a promoter should give the fans , if scunny want to field a team of young riders and they feel thats what their fans want then great go for it , the b all and end all of it is the paying public and what they want cause without them paying to be entertained there is no speedway and then it dosent matter what you call the 3rd division cause it wont exsist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 After my last post I wasn't going to post anymore on this subject as we keep going round in circles. However after catching up and reading the last couple of pages I must say there are little bits I agree with but mosty I disagree. I am a paying supporter , love the NL because these youngsters never give up and provide us with some dammed good racing at Scunny. So no way do I think I should go to these meetings free. I detect some jealousy of how Scunthorpe go about training the brits. All I can say is that we should all be thankfull that Scunny have a track that can be used 24/7 ,( most tracks its not possible ) and that Mr Godfrey, Richard any others have the energy and desire to help these kids get a chance. They all have regular day jobs and I know for a fact that they put many hours in to do this. I cannot for the life of me think why Richie and Stevie Worrall should be quoted as too good for the NL. These lads are only a couple of years into training for their chosen sport. Crickey most apprenticeships go for 4/5 years. Some of you out there want the best riders for their stand alone club because they want to win every time. now I'm not saying I disagree with that but Richie was one of the first to be snapped up by standalone Stoke. ( good luck to him ) yet some are saying he shouldn't be taking a place up. In the days that Scunny was a standalone club, we had the best 2 years ever. I have absolutely nothing against these clubs but would say that riders whos had their apprenticeship time of say 5 years are the ones who should be making way for the youngsters, however I would make an exception of an older rider to act as a coach, even a 2nd one would be acceptable. Just one other point. Not all supporters go to speedway to see the "stars" I for one don't, have never been to an Elite meeting ( Internationals yes ). I'm very happy to support whatever my club provides. lucky at Scunny because we have 2 of the 3 leagues. Sorry for the rant! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Main Man Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 The NL is a good product and produces some great racing. Deano has a good speedway brain and knows the sport and when he finally decides to hang up his kevlars would do a good job as a team manager (no fruit gums though Dean!!) or administrator. With no Newport at any level this year unfortunately I will be hoping to fit in a fair few NL meetings --definitely the Dudley ones looking after Dan Greenwood and keeping an eye on James White-Williams ..so see you around!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 After my last post I wasn't going to post anymore on this subject as we keep going round in circles. However after catching up and reading the last couple of pages I must say there are little bits I agree with but mosty I disagree. I am a paying supporter , love the NL because these youngsters never give up and provide us with some dammed good racing at Scunny. So no way do I think I should go to these meetings free. I detect some jealousy of how Scunthorpe go about training the brits. All I can say is that we should all be thankfull that Scunny have a track that can be used 24/7 ,( most tracks its not possible ) and that Mr Godfrey, Richard any others have the energy and desire to help these kids get a chance. They all have regular day jobs and I know for a fact that they put many hours in to do this. I cannot for the life of me think why Richie and Stevie Worrall should be quoted as too good for the NL. These lads are only a couple of years into training for their chosen sport. Crickey most apprenticeships go for 4/5 years. Some of you out there want the best riders for their stand alone club because they want to win every time. now I'm not saying I disagree with that but Richie was one of the first to be snapped up by standalone Stoke. ( good luck to him ) yet some are saying he shouldn't be taking a place up. In the days that Scunny was a standalone club, we had the best 2 years ever. I have absolutely nothing against these clubs but would say that riders whos had their apprenticeship time of say 5 years are the ones who should be making way for the youngsters, however I would make an exception of an older rider to act as a coach, even a 2nd one would be acceptable. Just one other point. Not all supporters go to speedway to see the "stars" I for one don't, have never been to an Elite meeting ( Internationals yes ). I'm very happy to support whatever my club provides. lucky at Scunny because we have 2 of the 3 leagues. Sorry for the rant! Great rant June agree 100%, i think the set-up at Scunthorpe is second to none, i wish we had that set-up at Plymouth, but saying that we are lucky to have the track we have, so i'm just thankfull for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 The NL is a good product and produces some great racing. Deano has a good speedway brain and knows the sport and when he finally decides to hang up his kevlars would do a good job as a team manager (no fruit gums though Dean!!) or administrator. it could go 2 ways ,either i will try a job within the sport at NL level or i will just finish riding and walk away from speedway and with all the crap that goes on behind the scenes in speedway who would blame me , i would love the challenge of the NL but it would be a week before me and the bspa came to blows if i did ,lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) the point of team speedway even of 3rd division level is for the team to win ,thats what the supporters (the people who without their money through the gates ) want , if its sole purpose is to train riders then the public shouldnt pay to watch , speedway is an entertainment sport at all levels not a youth training scheme, riding aside i watch speedway to be entertained not to watch riders learning , i want good racing ,i dont care if you dragged ole olsen out of retirement and raced him against the under 15 champion ,if its good racing thats what it about , if you want to watch riders learning go to the dragons meetings or the southern track meetings or the amature meetings its free to watch , the 3rd level will never prosper while is thought of a gloryfied training league , supporters need winning teams and in those teams they need hero's ,riders who they can relate to, riders who want the best for ther team and gives their all for that team and it dosent matter if they are just starting out or been around as long as me , as long as they are doing their bit and the team is winning , the supporter wants more ,ive said before on another post that speedway at higher levels is getting to expensive to watch ,the NL offers good value for money but you have to make it a professional looking league that is serious about its racing , i am trying to sound unbiased about these posts cause i see it from my point of being an older rider but my time is coming to an end for racing and i want to see 3rd division speedway flourish, it really deserves better from the bspa , and british speedway in general owes alot to the conference/national league but like most of speedway these days it needs to show some professional outlook before people will start realise what a great product it really is Not sure I completely agree, Dean. Certainly the principle aim of Rye House, Scunthorpe & King's Lynn running NL teams is not winning but developing rider assets and the NL would be far less credible without them. Fortunately, I think entertainment and developing riders are anything but incompatible as anyone who watched Scunny's NL team last season would confirm (particularly those pot hunting hangers on from Sheffield ). I firmly believe that the NL should be a training ground for British riders of the future but that should not be at the cost of the financial success of the stand alone teams. They need gates to survive and, as you correctly point out, that means winning and attractive teams. From my point of view, that means compromise to suit the needs of all the members of the league and restricting the number of senior riders at each club but, I hasten to add, not excluding them altogether. Having had the pleasure of your company at several tracks, listened to your views and read your posts about making money at NL level, it would be a disaster if the likes of you, Tony Atkin and others were not on hand to pass on the knowledge and experience that you possess. On a final note, you'd get my vote as NL co-ordinater too but I think your estimate of lasting a week is wildly optimistic With no Newport at any level this year unfortunately I will be hoping to fit in a fair few NL meetings --definitely the Dudley ones looking after Dan Greenwood and keeping an eye on James White-Williams ..so see you around!! Is that: With no Newport at any level this year unfortunately, I will be hoping to fit in a fair few NL meetings --definitely the Dudley ones looking after Dan Greenwood and keeping an eye on James White-Williams ..so see you around!! or With no Newport at any level this year, unfortunately I will be hoping to fit in a fair few NL meetings --definitely the Dudley ones looking after Dan Greenwood and keeping an eye on James White-Williams ..so see you around!! Laurence ? See you around Edited February 23, 2012 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Wool that be the Scunthorpe Saints that were so well supported last year that their promoter was going to pull the plug on them due to two men & a bored dog watching them - until they got to the play offs, when his mood swing medication kicked in & everything became rosy once again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Wool that be the Scunthorpe Saints that were so well supported last year that their promoter was going to pull the plug on them due to two men & a bored dog watching them - until they got to the play offs, when his mood swing medication kicked in & everything became rosy once again? A little harsh Actually, Rob Godfrey threatened to pull the plug after they won the league and changed his mind subsequently. Having said that, the gates for stand alone matches were poor. I am not sure if I can get the comments of the likes of Tigerite and Squall about the quality of NL racing at Scunny, but I think Tigerite said the 1st leg of the NL play off against Mildenhall was the best match he had seen in 2011. He was wrong, because the best one was the 2nd leg at Mildenhall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Not sure I completely agree, Dean. Certainly the principle aim of Rye House, Scunthorpe & King's Lynn running NL teams is not winning but developing rider assets and the NL would be far less credible without them. Fortunately, I think entertainment and developing riders are anything but incompatible as anyone who watched Scunny's NL team last season would confirm (particularly those pot hunting hangers on from Sheffield ). I firmly believe that the NL should be a training ground for British riders of the future but that should not be at the cost of the financial success of the stand alone teams. They need gates to survive and, as you correctly point out, that means winning and attractive teams. From my point of view, that means compromise to suit the needs of all the members of the league and restricting the number of senior riders at each club but, I hasten to add, not excluding them altogether. Having had the pleasure of your company at several tracks, listened to your views and read your posts about making money at NL level, it would be a disaster if the likes of you, Tony Atkin and others were not on hand to pass on the knowledge and experience that you possess. On a final note, you'd get my vote as NL co-ordinater too but I think your estimate of lasting a week is wildly optimistic the NL will always be a league for up a coming riders by its very nature and KL, rye and scunny have different agenders to the others which is fine ,if supporters like June want to watch young up and coming riders then they are very well catered for because the natural way is young riders but not everyone wants to see that and by restricting the league to that you alienate other supporters ,and as i said before ,speedway is not about what the riders want ,its what the people who pay to watch want , we are a form of entertainment not a youth training scheme by being on here and expressing my views i am leaving my self open to be shot down ,which is fine if you dissagree with me then thats ok ,we are all entitled to our views on our sport ,im just putting across mine , i am really passionate about the NL i think its the best speedway this country has got and i want to see it flourish as im sure you all do , one other point i want to know is does phillip rising read the NL on here ,he never comments on it but is always on the forum , just wondered if he did and what his views were and if he dosent that sums up what everybody else thinks of the NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Main Man Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Not sure I completely agree, Dean. Certainly the principle aim of Rye House, Scunthorpe & King's Lynn running NL teams is not winning but developing rider assets and the NL would be far less credible without them. Fortunately, I think entertainment and developing riders are anything but incompatible as anyone who watched Scunny's NL team last season would confirm (particularly those pot hunting hangers on from Sheffield ). I firmly believe that the NL should be a training ground for British riders of the future but that should not be at the cost of the financial success of the stand alone teams. They need gates to survive and, as you correctly point out, that means winning and attractive teams. From my point of view, that means compromise to suit the needs of all the members of the league and restricting the number of senior riders at each club but, I hasten to add, not excluding them altogether. Having had the pleasure of your company at several tracks, listened to your views and read your posts about making money at NL level, it would be a disaster if the likes of you, Tony Atkin and others were not on hand to pass on the knowledge and experience that you possess. On a final note, you'd get my vote as NL co-ordinater too but I think your estimate of lasting a week is wildly optimistic Is that: With no Newport at any level this year unfortunately, I will be hoping to fit in a fair few NL meetings --definitely the Dudley ones looking after Dan Greenwood and keeping an eye on James White-Williams ..so see you around!! or With no Newport at any level this year, unfortunately I will be hoping to fit in a fair few NL meetings --definitely the Dudley ones looking after Dan Greenwood and keeping an eye on James White-Williams ..so see you around!! Laurence ? See you around the first of course !! I like NL racing-- and you know it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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