THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) after seeing the sad situation with newport my first thought was why dont they enter the NL? , if the NL was a well run league and was seen as a bonified 3rd division instead of an development league maybe they would want to join , like stoke did , i know certain people winthin the stoke set up thought it was a bad idea to join , but they did and those people loved it by the end of the year , i really do belive we can make the 3rd division a shining light in speedway instead of the ugly sister it is at the moment , its a british riders league full of riders who are not in it for the money ,who dont jet off to ride for other teams ( of which i still feel is working against team speedway ) but i understand riders need to make a living , the league needs a leader someone with ideas someone who dosent tow the bspa line and pushes the league for all its worth , where is the publicity for NL meetings ?, there is needle between a couple of teams because of events that went on last year , well make storys out of them , when the 2 teams meet , the week before team A puts in the star " we are going to beat team B cause we beat them last year and they are bad losers so we are going to rub their faces in it and do it again " words like that , create some intrest , then the supporters from team B want to go to the meeting cause the meetings mean something , its basic publicity ,make some heroes and villians from the riders , the riders would be willing to go along with it im sure , stop this development talk , it does nothing to attract supporters to meetings , yes the league is used for riders to learn but supporters of dudley ,mildenhall, isle of wight ,stoke want their teams to win cause after speedway at all levels including 3rd division is about WINNING , maybe newport would want to be a part of that , , (at least i havent got to headbutt their safety fence again) but joking apart push the league , make it proper team speedway and maybe supporters will want to pay to watch it , Edited February 18, 2012 by THE DEAN MACHINE 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendpostie Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 after seeing the sad situation with newport my first thought was why dont they enter the NL? , if the NL was a well run league and was seen as a bonified 3rd division instead of an development league maybe they would want to join , like stoke did , i know certain people winthin the stoke set up thought it was a bad idea to join , but they did and those people loved it by the end of the year , i really do belive we can make the 3rd division a shining light in speedway instead of the ugly sister it is at the moment , its a british riders league full of riders who are not in it for the money ,who dont jet off to ride for other teams ( of which i still feel is working against team speedway ) but i understand riders need to make a living , the league needs a leader someone with ideas someone who dosent tow the bspa line and pushes the league for all its worth , where is the publicity for NL meetings ?, there is needle between a couple of teams because of events that went on last year , well make storys out of them , when the 2 teams meet , the week before team A puts in the star " we are going to beat team B cause we beat them last year and they are bad losers so we are going to rub their faces in it and do it again " words like that , create some intrest , then the supporters from team B want to go to the meeting cause the meetings mean something , its basic publicity ,make some heroes and villians from the riders , the riders would be willing to go along with it im sure , stop this development talk , it does nothing to attract supporters to meetings , yes the league is used for riders to learn but supporters of dudley ,mildenhall, isle of wight ,stoke want their teams to win cause after speedway at all levels including 3rd division is about WINNING , maybe newport would want to be a part of that , , (at least i havent got to headbutt their safety fence again) but joking apart push the league , make it proper team speedway and maybe supporters will want to pay to watch it , Â Fantastic, and this from someone on the inside of the fence !, there might be hope yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickp Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I am fairly new to speedway and go to watch my grandson ride. I have seen some PL meetings but have mainly watched Nl and i completely endorse what the dean Machine writes. I find the matches more entertaing with more overtaking and it is good to wach the development of the young British riders. I accept that lap times are a bit slower but this is made up by closer racing. Some posters that say they would never watch NL but they need to go and watch some of these meetings and could be quite surprised at the standard of riding. Yes there are a few riders who are inexprienced and look a bit dodgy but after a few meetings their confidence grows and they do improve.  Also if any of the dyed in the wool speedway fans ever fancy a good days entertainment try a local Grasstrack meeting, 40- 50 races for £10-£15 and 5 hours entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 after seeing the sad situation with newport my first thought was why dont they enter the NL? , if the NL was a well run league and was seen as a bonified 3rd division instead of an development league maybe they would want to join , like stoke did , i know certain people winthin the stoke set up thought it was a bad idea to join , but they did and those people loved it by the end of the year , i really do belive we can make the 3rd division a shining light in speedway instead of the ugly sister it is at the moment , its a british riders league full of riders who are not in it for the money ,who dont jet off to ride for other teams ( of which i still feel is working against team speedway ) but i understand riders need to make a living , the league needs a leader someone with ideas someone who dosent tow the bspa line and pushes the league for all its worth , where is the publicity for NL meetings ?, there is needle between a couple of teams because of events that went on last year , well make storys out of them , when the 2 teams meet , the week before team A puts in the star " we are going to beat team B cause we beat them last year and they are bad losers so we are going to rub their faces in it and do it again " words like that , create some intrest , then the supporters from team B want to go to the meeting cause the meetings mean something , its basic publicity ,make some heroes and villians from the riders , the riders would be willing to go along with it im sure , stop this development talk , it does nothing to attract supporters to meetings , yes the league is used for riders to learn but supporters of dudley ,mildenhall, isle of wight ,stoke want their teams to win cause after speedway at all levels including 3rd division is about WINNING , maybe newport would want to be a part of that , , (at least i havent got to headbutt their safety fence again) but joking apart push the league , make it proper team speedway and maybe supporters will want to pay to watch it , Â I agree Dean! Â First thing would be to drop the word 'development' from the title - doesn't help the marketing and it misrepresents the fact that these days even to race NL level you need to know what you are doing. Â The league in my opinion would flourish more with more standalone tracks so a full schedule of matches can be run. Newport could be one, then perhaps the likes of Sittingbourne, Bristol and Bodmin, if they all open of course. Â It's a very affordable league for the fan - cheap admissions in comparison. Would be great if they ran 2nd halves and went fully Old Skool - 13 heats, tac sub rules, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I agree Dean! Â First thing would be to drop the word 'development' from the title - doesn't help the marketing and it misrepresents the fact that these days even to race NL level you need to know what you are doing. Â The league in my opinion would flourish more with more standalone tracks so a full schedule of matches can be run. Newport could be one, then perhaps the likes of Sittingbourne, Bristol and Bodmin, if they all open of course. Â It's a very affordable league for the fan - cheap admissions in comparison. Would be great if they ran 2nd halves and went fully Old Skool - 13 heats, tac sub rules, etc. Â To be fair, the National League DOESN'T have the word 'development' in its title - not really. Yes it IS there in the official title in the Rule book but it's NOT used in league tables, fixtures, on the BSPA website or in marketing, so effectively is NOT the name of the league. Some folks on here mischeviously try and say it is the name to suit some strange agendas they're peddling, but am sure for the stand-alones (Mildenhall, IoW, Stoke, Buxton and Dudley) they very much see the league as a proper third division. I agree that Newport really should join it too - so much bloody better than closing down... And surely (as Deano says) the fact that a big club like Stoke dropped down and made a total success of it, should be enough to show Newport (who are real third tier stalwarts anyhow) that it can certainly work for them.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) I agree with Dean, when Plymouth were in the NL i didn't look at the league has a development league, i looked at it has a third division speedway league, when Dean came down to Plymouth he wanted to win every race he was in, he didn't think of it has helping youngster's develope, and i wouldn't want him to, yes it is a good league for young rider's to develope in, but for young rider's to develope you need rider's like Dean to race against , otherwise how would they learn. We had Seemond Stephens at Plymouth and he did help the younger rider's in the team with set-ups, and there gating, but once he went onto the track all he wanted to do was win, but for young rider's to improve you need to race against rider's like him, and the young rider's loved it when they beat him, and there were alot that did, if it was just for young rider's and only young rider's how would they learn anything. The idea behind the NL is a very good one if they were to listen to rider's like Dean who love the sport, if you want anything to work well you start from the bottom and work your way up, not start from the top and by the time you get to the bottom you run out of idea's, the sport need's the NL for the development of the sport in this country, when young rider's come over from Australia they are already one step higher than are young rider's in the NL, so the NL is essential to get right, and at present it's not. Â To be fair, the National League DOESN'T have the word 'development' in its title - not really. Yes it IS there in the official title in the Rule book but it's NOT used in league tables, fixtures, on the BSPA website or in marketing, so effectively is NOT the name of the league. Some folks on here mischeviously try and say it is the name to suit some strange agendas they're peddling, but am sure for the stand-alones (Mildenhall, IoW, Stoke, Buxton and Dudley) they very much see the league as a proper third division. I agree that Newport really should join it too - so much bloody better than closing down... And surely (as Deano says) the fact that a big club like Stoke dropped down and made a total success of it, should be enough to show Newport (who are real third tier stalwarts anyhow) that it can certainly work for them.. Â It's such a shame that rider's like Matt Bates, Richard Andrew's can't get a ride, it's not all about the Heep's and the Worrall's getting a ride, how is that helping the British rider's develope. Edited February 20, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Â Â It's such a shame that rider's like Matt Bates, Richard Andrew's can't get a ride, it's not all about the Heep's and the Worrall's getting a ride, how is that helping the British rider's develope. I would have thought Worralls getting a ride is helping British riders develop........... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) I would have thought Worralls getting a ride is helping British riders develop........... Â So having the Worralls in the NL is helping British rider's who can't get a ride develop, i don't think Matt and Richard look at it that way Montie. i know what you are saying but the NL surely is about British rider's like Matt Bates, Richard Andrews just to name two learning the sport, not about helping other rider's that are not British get into the PL like there doing now, i have seen so many none British rider's use the NL has a stepping stone into the PL at the expence of rider's like Matt and Richard, they don't care about the NL, they are just using it and the people who run these teams that employ those rider's are not interested in the development that the league is suppose to be used for. I know Mike Bowden wasn't when Plymouth were in the NL, if he could of had 7 Australian rider's in his team he would have, if it ment he won the league, it was only because he could not get any he didn't have none, im not saying Matt or Richard will ever be good enough for the PL, but they should be given priority over none British rider's, not play second best in there own Country. Edited February 21, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) So having the Worralls in the NL is helping British rider's who can't get a ride develop, i don't think Matt and Richard look at it that way. Yep theyve had there chance ,a wise man says the cream will always rise to the top yet the **** will fall to the bottom Edited February 21, 2012 by montie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Yep theyve had there chance ,a wise man says the cream will always rise to the top yet the **** will fall to the bottom  It's a good job your not running the league Montie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) I would have thought Worralls getting a ride is helping British riders develop...........  How can Richie doubling up through 3 leagues be good for other riders?  Yep theyve had there chance ,a wise man says the cream will always rise to the top yet the **** will fall to the bottom  Priceless!!!! Edited February 21, 2012 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 How can Richie doubling up through 3 leagues be good for other riders?    Priceless!!!!  Its called success !!! And the superb Richie Worall [and Lakeside] should be applauded for doing it  DU with lakeside is exactly what he needs,its not as if he will be riding every week is it,  You forget this is his only his second season racing,fair play to the lad  I havnt seen so many of these lads begging for team places at the AM meeting at scunny this year[or practice] putting themselves in the shop window,knocking seven bells out of each other like the Worralls and Irving have,nothing to do with other riders,these lads seem to want it,thats why they get it  Worralls,Birks,Irving,Howarth and Garrity have all been there during the winter,funny there the only ones who have made the step up dont you think  I do think tho that in the future,the top end of the NL needs looking at,its easy being a top dog in the NL,i think riders averaging about say a 9 in the shouldnt be allowed to double up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 In case anybody has forgotten - the Worrals are British and have only been riding for two seasons... Â So - because Scunthorpe management find and train British talent and chose to use them in their teams they are wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 i know what you are saying but the NL surely is about British rider's like Matt Bates, Richard Andrews just to name two learning the sport, not about helping other rider's that are not British get into the PL like there doing now, i have seen so many none British rider's use the NL has a stepping stone into the PL at the expence of rider's like Matt and Richard, they don't care about the NL, .  Couldnt agree more,but it has nothing to do with the Worralls,they have only just finished there 1st and 2nd years racing,christ given them time  You could always point the finger at the chaps who have been about for years and are going now,Been a few at Plymouth eh!!!!  Im sure the fans of Stoke are please the likes of Richie and Ash Birks are still in the NL!! and i hope this is that last year i will see them anywhere near the NL,as that means success 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 You could always point the finger at the chaps who have been about for years and are going now,Been a few at Plymouth eh!!!!  Yup - Stephens and Simmons were no youngsters were they  And Plymouth's training facilities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Yep theyve had there chance ,a wise man says the cream will always rise to the top yet the **** will fall to the bottom  I presume in that statement you include Adam Wrathall  I supose it does show what can be done when you have a shed load of support behind you (and I don't mean just money) just not all seem to get it. No desrespect to Richie as quite rightly he will grab whatever he is offered but he is not the only one. I'm just saying don't dis the ones who haven't had such support. Maybe it is down to other promotions not doing their bit but is that the riders fault? Does that earn them the right to call them s***  In case anybody has forgotten - the Worrals are British and have only been riding for two seasons...  So - because Scunthorpe management find and train British talent and chose to use them in their teams they are wrong  It may have escaped your notice but only Stevie is riding for the saints but faiplay to Stoke as they have to build a team to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 It may have escaped your notice but only Stevie is riding for the saints but faiplay to Stoke as they have to build a team to win  No - it hadn't escaped my notice... Mr Vasey is a clever man - he knows where to look if he wants to find a quality rider for Stoke. I expect that he attends Scunny Amateur meetings to look for potential riders. I wonder how many other managers (or promoters) bother to do so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I presume in that statement you include Adam Wrathall  I supose it does show what can be done when you have a shed load of support behind you (and I don't mean just money) just not all seem to get it. No desrespect to Richie as quite rightly he will grab whatever he is offered but he is not the only one. I'm just saying don't dis the ones who haven't had such support. Maybe it is down to other promotions not doing their bit but is that the riders fault? Does that earn them the right to call them s***    And what is the shed load of support they have recieved??  Are you honestly saying that the reason he is successfull is the level of support he has got?,nothing to do with skill,dedication and being brave as hell on a bike?what do the Newcastle fans call him,baby Robo?? i wonder why  Support my derrière!!  I presume in that statement you include Adam Wrathall   It may have escaped your notice but only Stevie is riding for the saints but faiplay to Stoke as they have to build a team to win  Adam Wrathall hasnt has his luck with injuries,he will come,along with being one of the best captain you could wish for,despite his tender years  Sure Steve is in the saints,and why not,just starting his 3rd year racing,Both Steve and his brother are held in high regards by the Scunny management,hence why they have waited all winter for him to decide if he wanted NL racing  Hes a scunny asset,who they rate highly,and if riding in there team helps him and the team,then so be it[not to mention a great example to the likes of Danny Phillips,Max CLegg and Olly Greenwood,and no doubt one or two others who will emerge before the end of 2012] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) And what is the shed load of support they have recieved??  Are you honestly saying that the reason he is successfull is the level of support he has got?,nothing to do with skill,dedication and being brave as hell on a bike?what do the Newcastle fans call him,baby Robo?? i wonder why  Support my derrière!!   He is not the only one who has shown such credentials  Newcastle took a gamble on someone who had virtually no experience not sure they would do the same with others. I'm not gonna get into an argument with you on that one.  'Suport 'OMG you think he has gotten to Lakeside in 1 season with no support (Not necessarily financial but I'm sure his PL points money helped) I'm all for discussion but only when both sides ae opearting in the realworld.  No - it hadn't escaped my notice... Mr Vasey is a clever man - he knows where to look if he wants to find a quality rider for Stoke. I expect that he attends Scunny Amateur meetings to look for potential riders. I wonder how many other managers (or promoters) bother to do so...   Stoke are going to find their last riders from rheir own Amateur meeting Edited February 21, 2012 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 He is not the only one who has shown such credentials  Newcastle took a gamble on someone who had virtually no experience not sure they would do the same with others. I'm not gonna get into an argument with you on that one.  'Suport 'OMG you think he has gotten to Lakeside in 1 season with no support (Not necessarily financial but I'm sure his PL points money helped) I'm all for discussion but only when both sides ae opearting in the realworld.  Again,his Pl point money,you know what that is,its deserved Success!!!!!!What not in the real world about that! yes alot of credit has to go to Newcastle,no doubt,ill never forget George English stood on the 2nd bend at a Scunny double header,drooling,wether it was the chips and curry or at the talent on show i guess we will never no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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