under16watcher Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 people are saying we need British talent and 3 pointers. well Nathan Stoneman wasn't out of the top 2 places in any under 16 round in 2011. apart from buxton where he never competed. won the under 16's and became champion and hasn't yet got a ride. if anyone can please explain why this is happening to a champion. then you r comments will be taken on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Only one NL team has completed it's 1-7 so far, so I wouldn't say he's been overlooked just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 people are saying we need British talent and 3 pointers. well Nathan Stoneman wasn't out of the top 2 places in any under 16 round in 2011. apart from buxton where he never competed. won the under 16's and became champion and hasn't yet got a ride. if anyone can please explain why this is happening to a champion. then you r comments will be taken on board. Does seem a little odd,does he actually want a team place or isnt he bothered??How old is Nathan??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 You really couldn't have picked a worser username than under16watcher!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
under16watcher Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) nathan is 15 years old and rang almost ever club in the national league this year. apart from kings lynn and buxton due to travel expenses as loose £120 per meeting if it was his home team. and as his dad is disabled he cant afford that every week. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1860519907798 please watch this as nathan in action in under 16's Edited January 18, 2012 by under16watcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Nathan is a super rider he is fast but he is in control of his machine, as a lad of just 15 he has a very mature head on those young shoulders. Maybe he won’t set the national league alight in his first year or two but I have seen too many young riders over the years go from zero to hero in a season then burn themselves out and we never see them again. In my opinion we are giving far too many chances to foreign riders, like with the Australians why should they get special dispensation just because they can prove that one of their ancestors was deported to Australia on the last convict ship, if they were born in Australia then they are Australian not British. How can Chris Louis hold his head high when he “sacked” two British riders to make way for more foreigners and how Matt Ford can be proud of winning the British Elite League Title when he will not contemplate engaging a British rider? May be we should re name the Elite League as “The International Elite League” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 nathan is 15 years old and rang almost ever club in the national league this year. apart from kings lynn and buxton due to travel expenses as loose £120 per meeting if it was his home team. and as his dad is disabled he cant afford that every week. https://www.facebook...v=1860519907798 please watch this as nathan in action in under 16's I find it sad that Nathan cannot get a team place this year but with only 8 teams running now and the current points limit, somebody is going to miss out. There aren't enough NL tracks but I think somebody needs to rethink the sums. The travelling expenses aren't great in the NL but loosing £120 per home meeting is stretching the imagination a bit far. He must surely have the wrong sort of transport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
under16watcher Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 this may explain it more as broke down the cost if we rode at buxton each week. total mileage is 476 miles at £7.50 per gallon. 32 miles to the gallon- 15gallon x 7.50 per gallon=£112.50 1 gallon of fuel(methanol) £7.50 -1 litre of oil £12 -and one tyre £45 so a total of £177 for the meeting minus 10 pence per mile from the club. £47.60 return without any money from points scored. so £177 for the day cost and a return of £47.60 so loss of £129.60. i hope this helps as we want to ride anywhere but at this price we just cant afford to do it this each week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 this may explain it more as broke down the cost if we rode at buxton each week. total mileage is 476 miles at £7.50 per gallon. 32 miles to the gallon- 15gallon x 7.50 per gallon=£112.50 1 gallon of fuel(methanol) £7.50 -1 litre of oil £12 -and one tyre £45 so a total of £177 for the meeting minus 10 pence per mile from the club. £47.60 return without any money from points scored. so £177 for the day cost and a return of £47.60 so loss of £129.60. i hope this helps as we want to ride anywhere but at this price we just cant afford to do it this each week. That is the reality of the situation and it is sad. Part of the reward for winning the under 16 title should have been sponsorship. These costs are making it tough for all amateurs and league aspiring riders like Nathan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) this may explain it more as broke down the cost if we rode at buxton each week. total mileage is 476 miles at £7.50 per gallon. 32 miles to the gallon- 15gallon x 7.50 per gallon=£112.50 1 gallon of fuel(methanol) £7.50 -1 litre of oil £12 -and one tyre £45 so a total of £177 for the meeting minus 10 pence per mile from the club. £47.60 return without any money from points scored. so £177 for the day cost and a return of £47.60 so loss of £129.60. i hope this helps as we want to ride anywhere but at this price we just cant afford to do it this each week. It is splitting hairs but you did say that you loose £120 per week on travel expenses. Travel expenses don't include methanol, oil and tyres. I make the following comments. Unlike a number of other teams, Buxton have in the past been in the habit of providing a gallon of methanol and a litre of oil per home meeting and you are buying the wrong oil if you are paying £12 per litre. Diesel isn't yet £7.50 per gallon and if you were to get a more economical vehicle, you would get more than 32mpg. And why would you need a new tyre for every home meeting? Yes speedway is expensive but don't make it more expensive than it is - buy wisely and travel sensibly and my final comment is that if you turned down a place at Buxton based on your sums, I think you were misguided. Buxton do a fantastic job with limited resources bringing on young riders - they are not a hire and fire set up. Edited January 19, 2012 by Great Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
under16watcher Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 £7.35 per gallon of diesel in local tesco's and the closest store or motorcycle shop is exeter 30 mile away from where we live. and no its £12.50 per litre of castrol r40. and we havnt turned down any club just looked at the out lay before contacting a club. and if you can buy anymore with £420 per month disability money then please show me how. as a months money does not even pay for an engine service let alone two per year minimum. and as for a tyre per home meeting then it will last you an away meeting aswell hopefully and i would rather give a home spares van the money than an away one. and when you loose a limb in the motorcycle sport it gives you nothing back in return. so we know the cost of this sport as have been in it a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Gc, i dont think it is about Nathan being misguided, probably more about it being un economic, ie he cant afford to ride for them. as he doesnt have enough money coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 May be we should re name the Elite League as “The International Elite League. If you didnt have the internationals it wouldnt be the elite league , maybe we could call it the below average league. Oh didums, he doesnt want to travel all the way to Buxton, plenty of young aussies that will travel 15000 miles for a chance. Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Again junior, you miss read what he is saying, Nathan cant make the sums add up, jesus guys, have none of you been in the situation, of earning less than you are spending, you cant keep dipping into the savings you know, thats if people have any left. Travel from aussie, with a bike, a van, a sponsor all waiting for you, give Nathan and the rest of the Brits the same playing field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Again junior, you miss read what he is saying, Nathan cant make the sums add up, jesus guys, have none of you been in the situation, of earning less than you are spending, you cant keep dipping into the savings you know, thats if people have any left. Travel from aussie, with a bike, a van, a sponsor all waiting for you, give Nathan and the rest of the Brits the same playing field. I am fully aware of the situation that prevails but what I was trying to say is that the sums being used were not accurate and therefore if Nathan's "supporters" advised him against joining Buxton(and we aren't sure this was the case), then it was based on inaccurate figures for the actual costs involved. Also it would not be every week because Buxton wouldn't be running every week. Note with fuel costs being so high, I can't break even on 10p per mile even at the MPG I get from my vehicle but the gap is not as big as being claimed. If the funds are not there, there are only three alternatives: sponsorship, increase earnings or give up. I know that is a hard message but the promoters in the NL aren't making massive money out of their NL teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 That is the reality of the situation and it is sad. Part of the reward for winning the under 16 title should have been sponsorship. These costs are making it tough for all amateurs and league aspiring riders like Nathan. This is not reality. You do not need a new tyre, in fact National League promoters have put forward a suggestion for second hand tyres only, You should not be paying £12 a litre for oil. That is a very expensive way to buy oil. You can source methanol cheaper that £7.50. Finally why shouldnt Nathan come away with some points money! He has the talent. The post detailing the expenses comes over as negative. You cannot expect to break even when starting in the National League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
under16watcher Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 just like too say that i'm not in anyway putting any clubs down. as they all do good jobs for speedway.its just hard to understand why my son hasn't got a chance in the national league as a champion. and thank you all for your comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I have known the Stoneman family for many, many years and they have never asked for charity. Since Nathans dad lost his leg as a result of a grass track incident he has done his utmost to help Nathan progress first through the grass track scene and now through speedway and it is un fair for anybody to suggest that there are only three alternatives: sponsorship, increase earnings or give up. Let’s get a few facts straight Nathans Mum works her fingers to the bone to provide for the family and help to support Nathans Speedway Nathans Dad will do anything to help Nathan in his quest to proceed in the world of speedway Nathans Granddad helps out as and when he can They drive a Renault race van but it’s not the age of any vehicle that counts but the weight of the equipment that needs to be carried to meetings. Nathans Dad dose all the sign work on the van and his bikes to cut costs They live in the south west which means that a lot of the requirements for racing e.g. fuel, oil and fuel for the van is a good bit more expensive than it is if you live in the midlands or the north The closest National League track for Nathan would be the Isle of Wight and for a home meeting they would travel just under 300 miles which would take 50 litres of fuel @ £144.9 per litre cost £79, + 8 hours travelling (all are return figures) and then they have to eat and all the would get back is 10p per mile =£30 When these lads win championships there should be a sponsorship deal as part of the prize they should also be offered outings with a National League team to allow them to gain valuable experience. What is going to happen to the current 125cc Champion Henry Atkins when he is old enough to ride a 500cc bike will he be told to get an Australian Passport if he wants to ride in his own country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) I have known the Stoneman family for many, many years and they have never asked for charity. Since Nathans dad lost his leg as a result of a grass track incident he has done his utmost to help Nathan progress first through the grass track scene and now through speedway and it is un fair for anybody to suggest that there are only three alternatives: sponsorship, increase earnings or give up. Let’s get a few facts straight Nathans Mum works her fingers to the bone to provide for the family and help to support Nathans Speedway Nathans Dad will do anything to help Nathan in his quest to proceed in the world of speedway Nathans Granddad helps out as and when he can They drive a Renault race van but it’s not the age of any vehicle that counts but the weight of the equipment that needs to be carried to meetings. Nathans Dad dose all the sign work on the van and his bikes to cut costs They live in the south west which means that a lot of the requirements for racing e.g. fuel, oil and fuel for the van is a good bit more expensive than it is if you live in the midlands or the north The closest National League track for Nathan would be the Isle of Wight and for a home meeting they would travel just under 300 miles which would take 50 litres of fuel @ £144.9 per litre cost £79, + 8 hours travelling (all are return figures) and then they have to eat and all the would get back is 10p per mile =£30 When these lads win championships there should be a sponsorship deal as part of the prize they should also be offered outings with a National League team to allow them to gain valuable experience. What is going to happen to the current 125cc Champion Henry Atkins when he is old enough to ride a 500cc bike will he be told to get an Australian Passport if he wants to ride in his own country So you think it is unfair but then go on to suggest there should be a sponsorship deal. If my memory serves me right Great Central travels around in an MPV with all their equipment. There are two bikes, a kit bag and a tool box. All motorsport is expensive. Speedway is one of the less costly. I suspect many parents of young speedway riders work hard to support their youngsters and travel thousands of miles to different tracks to have to pay to train never mind earn any money. Im afraid it is like everything in life. If you cant afford it you cant have it. Edited January 20, 2012 by roguetrader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I am really surprised by some of the heartless comments on here, shame on some of you. Your actually nitpicking & arguing the cost of oil, diesel etc, in reality if they get the cheapest in the UK it will only reduce costs a few pounds & the lad will still lose money. I dont know the Stoneman family but I really hope you get fixed up with a club & some modest sponsorship to help you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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