Guest compost Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hi, Can anyone help please ? I need confirmation of the heat results from the above league match especially details of heats in which riders failed to finish. The information I've got, taken from the complete season file for 1969 on the Speedway Researcher website, says that the on track store of 47-29 (to Long Eaton) was amended to 38-35 due to the ilegal use of r/r for Glyn Chandler, with rider positions being upgraded. The problem is that if you do this (ie remove r/r riders and upgrade the other riders) you end up with an amended score of 39-36. This implies to me that the 'printed' heat details do not show all the non-finishers (or maybe there was some other infringement for which a penalty was imposed but not published). Can you help ? Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve19620 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hi there It's me who is responsible for the 1969 season file on the researcher website. An updated version of this season file together with the complete seasons 1965 -1974 are due to be posted on the site very soon. I have the file stored on my home computer (I'm typing this from the works computer !) and will confirm the details later tonight. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve19620 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Hi there I have had a look at this and it looks likely that John Ellis was a non finisher in heat 4 (this was not published in the heat results). On the basis this is correct then the revised scorers for both teams would be as follows : Long Eaton - Lomas 12 (15), Wrathall 11 (14), Gay 7 (10), Adaway 6 (4), Hornby 1, Shakespeare 1, Palmer 0 (2) - total 38 (47). Plymouth - Sanders 9 (6), Roynon 7 (6), Ellis 7, Whitaker 6 (5), Gills 4 (3), Coles 2, Payne 0 total 35 (29) (original points in brackets - before result amendment) Further confirmation that this appears to be correct is that Ellis must have been credited with 7 Points to get the correct points in the end of season averages. However this is also based on the fact that Ellis finished ahead of Gills in heat 10, the Speedway Star heat result reverses the position. Does anybody have the completed programme from the actual meeting to confirm ? I hope this helps. Kind regards Steve Edited January 16, 2012 by steve19620 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest compost Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hi there I have had a look at this and it looks likely that John Ellis was a non finisher in heat 4 (this was not published in the heat results). On the basis this is correct then the revised scorers for both teams would be as follows : Long Eaton - Lomas 12 (15), Wrathall 11 (14), Gay 7 (10), Adaway 6 (4), Hornby 1, Shakespeare 1, Palmer 0 (2) - total 38 (47). Plymouth - Sanders 9 (6), Roynon 7 (6), Ellis 7, Whitaker 6 (5), Gills 4 (3), Coles 2, Payne 0 total 35 (29) (original points in brackets - before result amendment) Further confirmation that this appears to be correct is that Ellis must have been credited with 7 Points to get the correct points in the end of season averages. However this is also based on the fact that Ellis finished ahead of Gills in heat 10, the Speedway Star heat result reverses the position. Does anybody have the completed programme from the actual meeting to confirm ? I hope this helps. Kind regards Steve Thanks for the help Steve. One other issue is that if Ellis did not finish in heat 4 that only corrects Plymouth's totals. Long Eaton's totals come to 39 as you've got Hornby's revised score wrong - his revised score is 2 (not 1) based on being bumped up from 4th to 3rd in heat 11 (assuming he finished as shown in the file). It does indeed look as if there were more non-finishers in reality than were shown in the Star results and I base that simply on the scores - 47-29 indicates at least 2 heats in which only 2 riders finished (2 dropped points) whilst 38-35 gives 5 dropped points in total or an extra 3 dropped points over the original score (hope that makes sense !). One of these dropped points comes from the elimination of Palmer from heat 13 (Whittaker DNF and Palmer's 2nd place dropped as it was an illegal r/r ride so no 3rd placed rider in the heat). Which leave 2 more points to 'find'. Theoretically they should only have come from heats 4,7 or 11. Your comments about Ellis in heat 4 still leave one more dropped point to find (did Hornby actually finish in heat 11 ?) As you said 'programme anyone' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve19620 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Hi there. I have managed to obtain a completed programme - bizarrely completed after the match result was changed ! This confirms that John Ellis in Heat 4 & Bernie Hornby in Heat 11 were classed as a non finishers (I don't know whether these are falls or retirements), therefore based on this will give you the correct points scorers for a 38-35 Long Eaton win. My 1969 season file has been updated to record these details and will appear very soon on the Speedway Researcher website. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest compost Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Thanks Steve. Can now get the file Division 2 file for 1969 sent out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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