montie Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I love the idea of riding a few home meetings against "weaker" PL sides. I am sure that every one of the NL boys would up their game, and would be great to see how they got on. I think it would be a waste of time riding away - too much of a recipe for a complete drubbing,. Great idea and it would put all the NL riders in the PL shop window. After all, isn't that what the NL is all about? 'Ommer 'Um Problem is will the NL promotions fancy paying PL rates,im sure the PL promotions wont,also will there be time for the Pl clubs to do it??? Im not sure what the answer is to a low level of teams in the NL is,to be honest i dont think there is one,guess you will just have to get on with it and i cant see the double up teams wanting more meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Problem is will the NL promotions fancy paying PL rates,im sure the PL promotions wont,also will there be time for the Pl clubs to do it??? Im not sure what the answer is to a low level of teams in the NL is,to be honest i dont think there is one,guess you will just have to get on with it and i cant see the double up teams wanting more meeting The answer in the past has been the Conference/National Trophy competition for those who want extra meetings with some silverware up for grabs. It didn't take place last year due to lack of interest perhaps it will be revived for 2012, time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well what happend nothing on the b s p a site or any where. Did it happen or did no one speak, come on so called promoters promote.For gods sake let people know whats happed today at the A G M no news any where says everything you lot think about your fans who you expect to pay to watch your teams. I for one expect more from you promoters.How many teams how many meetings what new rules what new comps come on get your act together let people know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well what happend nothing on the b s p a site or any where. Did it happen or did no one speak, come on so called promoters promote.For gods sake let people know whats happed today at the A G M no news any where says everything you lot think about your fans who you expect to pay to watch your teams. I for one expect more from you promoters.How many teams how many meetings what new rules what new comps come on get your act together let people know. Various teams have put out info. Stuff we know: 8 teams. Separate "mini-league" trophy for stand alone teams (Not including Dudley though, so Stoke, Mildenhall, IoW and Buxton) Stoke v Scunthorpe in KoC Mildenhall v KL Mildenhall contest the NL shield with Dudley Pairs at Mildenhall 4's at Stoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Cheers Vog dont know how you found out unless your a promoter but thanks for the info Edited January 26, 2012 by bw double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Buxton V Dudley KO Cup., which must mean the last fixture has to be Rye House V IOW. Edited January 26, 2012 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Cheers Vog dont know how you found out unless your a promoter but thanks for the info Stoke's and Mildenhall's websites have both got press releases with bits of info. Stoke also have one of the u21 qualifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Problem is will the NL promotions fancy paying PL rates,im sure the PL promotions wont,also will there be time for the Pl clubs to do it??? Sorry that this will sound self-centred but my original post was an idea for the Heathens to get extra home meetings. With the crowds we get it can be afforded, and I didn't mean for us to race away at the PL club as well. There would be little point in that really. Even the worst PL team should run away with a big win against the best of the NL on their own shale. At Monmore 'Wood' I think there are teams that we could give a good meeting, and for the like of Tom, Ash and Darryl in particular it will be a good test of where they are now and where they need to get to in the next couple of years. It will also give Roynon extra meetings at that level. -------------------------------------- For speed and ease I'll just copy and paste what I've posted on the Cradley forum this morning. So, the press release is out on the BSPA website. Briefly... 8 teams confirmed. 40 point limit confirmed and will remain in place until at least 2014 (incl). Top 4 into the PO's. New National Trophy competition for clubs that want extra meetings - We are NOT competing. (Bux, IOW, Mil, St) We face Mildenhall to defend the National Shield at the start of the season. We have been drawn against Bux in the 1st round KOC. Pairs @ Mil Fours @ St NLRC @ Rye U21 Semi @ St U21 Final @ Monmore Wood http://www.speedwayg...hp?extend.14311 ------------------------------ What strikes me immediately is that in the press release it states the new Trophy is for some 'stand-alone' clubs that want more meetings. By implication that means the Heathens don't want more meetings. Also it's confirmed on the Dudley Heathens website that this means a minimum of 11 meetings, despite the fact that the website clearly states that the 2012 season ticket is being sold on the basis of a minimum of 12 meetings. Season tickets are rarely good value anyway, and after the way Cov fans got screwed over last season and my general feeling of animosity towards the way the BSPA seems to go about its business most of the time I changed my mind and decided I wouldn't get one this season after originally deciding last year that I would. Looks a good move at face value. It would be nice for the club to make a statement that explains why we've not entered the Trophy and presumably to confirm that those that have already paid for a season ticket will be offered their money back. From the website this morning. 2012 SEASON TICKET PRICES Adults - £120.00 Concessions - £80.00 Children (aged 15 and under) - £25 CLICK HERE to download a 2012 season ticket form. Please note these figures are based on a minimum of 12 home meetings. and Chairman Nigel Pearson said: “Our season ticket holders have a minimum of 11 home meetings where their passes are valid which represents great value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 21st, you always have a good way of putting things, me as i write as i see it, as on the facebook page, 7 meetings isnt enough, The clubs words, not mine, but it seems 8 are, the 1 extra shield meeting, I cant for the life of me understand why we didnt enterThe Trophy. I am not one who accepts what i see, and as you said an explanation as to why we didnt enter would be nice, money back pigs might fly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 ...money back pigs might fly. There may have been more than a hint of sarcasm in that line mate. I can't see it happening either. It would be interesting to see what happened if anyone challenged it though. Quite clearly anyone that already has a season ticket has been mis-sold it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Nigels reply is that we only have Monmore available for 16 meetings, now i have never been aware that this was the case, April to October roughly 28 weeks, of which we can use the Track 16 times. I hope the reason isnt to do with the greyhounds, because almost every Tuesday Monmore have Dog trialling sessions, so that cant be a valid reason for only having 16 meetings, so at a guess it must be a contractual thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Only fair for me to come back here to acknowledge the response - Only 16 dates available so that is why we're not taking on the Trophy as well. And if we don't progress fair enough in the League and Cup for the fans to get more than 11 meetings then the club will put on at least one more meeting to ensure fans that have bought a season ticket aren't short-changed. I got this from a quick-fire reply on the Cradley Forum by Nigel Pearson himself. In response I've asked if we could not share Wolves' off-night, Wednesday, as it's reserved for speedway but almost never used. I can't remember the last time there was a Wednesday meeting at Monmore. -------------------------------- The doggies run on a Monday, so I fail to see that they interfere with our schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Nigels reply is that we only have Monmore available for 16 meetings, now i have never been aware that this was the case, April to October roughly 28 weeks, of which we can use the Track 16 times. I hope the reason isnt to do with the greyhounds, because almost every Tuesday Monmore have Dog trialling sessions, so that cant be a valid reason for only having 16 meetings, so at a guess it must be a contractual thing I don't know for sure. There is also the issue of how many meetings the council may let you have, I imagine, with noise and all that shizzle I imagine it operates in the same way as curfew. Withe the turn out u get for the Heatherns I'm there must be an official reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I don't know for a fact if there's anything in that, but I've lived close to Monmore all my life and I can't remember ever having heard of Wolves having problems with the Council or noise issues, certainly not in my adult life. It could be that the Council only gave permission for an additional 16 meetings, but this has never been communicated to the fans. This is the first we're hearing of a relatively low maximum number of meetings. Even when fans have discussed potential moves into the PL or EL it has never been mentioned that this is simply not an option at Monmore. If I have missed something that was mentioned by the club with regard to this I apologise for the oversight. I can't see that Ladbrokes are the 'problem'. It has Wednesday reserved for speedway as Wolves' off-night but it's not used. It would make sense for the stadium to be used as often as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I don't know for a fact if there's anything in that, but I've lived close to Monmore all my life and I can't remember ever having heard of Wolves having problems with the Council or noise issues, certainly not in my adult life. It could be that the Council only gave permission for an additional 16 meetings, but this has never been communicated to the fans. This is the first we're hearing of a relatively low maximum number of meetings. Even when fans have discussed potential moves into the PL or EL it has never been mentioned that this is simply not an option at Monmore. If I have missed something that was mentioned by the club with regard to this I apologise for the oversight. I can't see that Ladbrokes are the 'problem'. It has Wednesday reserved for speedway as Wolves' off-night but it's not used. It would make sense for the stadium to be used as often as possible. I'm sure that if there was a concrete, bona fide reason for a 16 limit it would have been stated in response to the question put last year on the BBC phone-in to Mssrs vanStratton & Pearson (and Drury). Infact what was said was that it could be a bit of a rush after Monday nights, particularly if the weather was bad, and said - or suggested - , that it was rather demanding on the volunteer staff that did the Tuesday work, - prep'n and/or match-night activities. In my simple reasoning I can't see that the adverse weather would be any more likely to occur on the extra mtg nights than on the existing meeting-Tuesdays, - no one knows how bad the weather is to be on the current mtg days. As to volunteers, we're all no doubt aware and appreciative of the time and effort put in by primarily long-term Wolves supporters, but I'm absolutely confident that there would be no shortage of Cradley supporters who'd rush to cover these roles should 18 or 20-plus mtgs a season be too much for the existing staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Yes this availability for 16 meetings has only come to light recently, I have never been aware of it, and to my knowledge, has never been publicly stated before, lack of support will NOT be a valid reason, indeed most Heathens fans would want more meetings rather than less, whatever the reason, then it needs to be looked at, as i think a planned minimum of 16meetings + plus P, Offs and KO Cups, would be more realistic, once again in my opinion Promoters have failed to realise, once supporters get out of the habit, its not easy to get them back, Tuesday night is Heathens Night or maybe once again, we should have a few meetings at Perry Barr . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 I notice in the speedway star that they pushed through a rule about new riders in the league. Those with patriality only now come in on a 5, but those with a British passport come in on a 3... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I notice in the speedway star that they pushed through a rule about new riders in the league. Those with patriality only now come in on a 5, but those with a British passport come in on a 3... and not a bad idea too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 and not a bad idea too. No, but there is very little difference between the 2. It really just stops riders under 16 coming in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I notice in the speedway star that they pushed through a rule about new riders in the league. Those with patriality only now come in on a 5, but those with a British passport come in on a 3... Whats the difference? For patriality you need a passport so I'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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