Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 What did that there Hancock bloke just win then? He won the Grand Prix series... Which is funny enough what it's called... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 He won the Grand Prix series... Which is funny enough what it's called... Yes it's a Grand Prix Series. It is also the competition used by the FIM to determine the World Individual Speedway Champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Yes it's a Grand Prix Series. It is also the competition used by the FIM to determine the World Individual Speedway Champion. Yes but it's a GP series which does not IMHO meet the requirements of a proper World Championship - in that it's far, far too based on maintaining a small group of riders' position in it rather than allowing an open access to others to try and compete for the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Er, I was certainly NOT saying that! I mentioned Argentina because you used it as an example of a place you say (apparently) young riders might have to journey to in order to qualify for a World Championship should we still have one! Seemed a rather spurious point Well in case it has not been noticed by you, this year young riders do have to travel to Argentina to compete in the U21 World Championship series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Well in case it has not been noticed by you, this year young riders do have to travel to Argentina to compete in the U21 World Championship series. Yes I know that but that was of course one of the 'rounds' of the actual Final... I can't think it at all likely that should there be a world championship qualifying set of rounds that anyone would plan for Europeans to go to Argentina just for a qualifier... NEW Zealand riders won 12 World titles between 1954 and 1979 but they never had a World Final. And it's a disgrace really that neither NZ or Australia (the birthplace of the sport...: cue Norbold to contradict!!) never had a chance to see the World Championship decided on their shores... Edited January 9, 2012 by LH91 Court Case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) edit: quote re court case removed...just as bad to quote it, pot and kettle?? You've gone and mentioned the 'D' case, which surely means a +25% warning and a 7-day suspension...? Edited January 9, 2012 by LH91 Court Case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Hmm, semantics there Phil...: declining the offer to compete and withdrawing are surely one and the same thing..! The rest of your posting I'm reluctant to comment on as we're not meant to be discussing this subject but I would suggest what you're saying here is pretty explosive new info. about Darcy's recent decision... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) edit: Posting removed due to court case...please do not comment on it. Thanks Henry ... that's a bit like a footballer remonstrating with the referee to get another player booked. Edited January 9, 2012 by LH91 Court Case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 My hope for 2012 is that the top 10 places are filled with riders from the speedway nations . Poland ,England,Sweden ,Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 NOT keen on Aussies then? But is one of those 'facts' that one of the riders in question has opted not to take up the offer of a SGP slot in 2012 BECAUSE of the impending court action..? We'd been led to believe it was in fact to do with Polish club commitments.. AS I posted ... Incidentally, I have no idea whether it did or did not have a bearing on his decision TO the best of my knowledge Ward never specifically declined the offer for a wild card place simply because of his decision to sign a contract with Torun although it would be foolish to think that wasn't a major factor. However, I do know for a fact that even before he was officially offered a place he was making it known that he didn't think he was 'ready' for a place. Quite obviously Ward is ready in terms of his riding ability. He proved that in Torun and to a lesser extent Gorzow. When asked about Ward the newly crowned World Champion Greg Hancock said his ability was scary and he doubted whether even Darcy knew just how good he is and will be. Ward repeatedly pointed out that he didn't think he was ready off the track and that he didn't have all the components (bikes, mechanics, organisation, etc) required by a GP rider in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Thanks Henry ... that's a bit like a footballer remonstrating with the referee to get another player booked. It was actually Humphrey who was nagging the ref, not me Ward repeatedly pointed out that he didn't think he was ready off the track and that he didn't have all the components (bikes, mechanics, organisation, etc) required by a GP rider in place. Exactly. Didn't his good friend Chris Holder make the same statements in 2009 when there was a lot of talk about him being offered a place alongside Emil? Of course, I suppose this could have been a face saving moving in case he didn't get offered a place, but either way he waited another year to prepare himself properly and actually qualified on merit for the 2010 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Lets be honest Greg CAN win it again and so could Gollob. The younger brigade have still to prove that mentally they can do it. JONSSON has been in the Grand Prix for a while now without really threatening i think 4th one year but by the results at the end of the season he may believe in himself much more and could go close. The trouble is i can see him throwing in the odd stinker which will make it tough and he needs to avoid the injuries. SAYFUTDINOV very much in the Jonsson mould has the ability but needs the beleif and to avoid the injuries but again is he consistent enough. Last year was the first year we saw CRUMP have a few shockers and again he will need to eliminate that from his campaign. Will GOLLOB and HANCOCK hve the desire after getting thier goals Gollob after winning his first one and Greg the elusive second one.HOLDER neds to start finishing camapigns as he started and could sneak a rostrum place he needs to be winning more races now and dominate a meeting as he often creeps into the semis on 9 or 10 points. Which in my eyes leaves the 1 potential winner and who will be carrying my money HAMPEL.Took time to get going last season with the new silencers but finished it better than anyone bar Jonsson. Bit of a gating tart but for me the fastest starter in the field and at this level hitting the first bend in front is highly important. Of the others LINDGREN and BJERRE will fight out the top 8 spot and will have the odd good grand prix the others just making up the numbers basically!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Would love to see a fight at the top.....going all the way to Torun. Jarek and AJ for me, with Emil giving them a race. Then can see the old boys along next....Jase, Tommy and Greg........Lindgren and Holder to complete the top 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 AJ all the way for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) It makes no difference. In answer to the implied question in the Thread Title. As long as the Top EIGHT and others, for whatever reason, are gifted places the following year - then the chances are that it is from them that that the so called World Champion will emerge. As long as the SGP is a virtual closed shop you are always going to find that the Champion will come from a select(ed) few. I know I am always banging on about this - BUT - if EVERY Rider had to go through Qualifying Rounds - I would feel much better about the System. I believe that EVERY Rider should have the chance to be World Champion EVERY year. Edited January 12, 2012 by The White Knight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 It makes no difference. In answer to the implied question in the Thread Title. As long as the Top EIGHT and others, for whatever reason, are gifted places the following year - then the chances are that it is from them that that the so called World Champion will emerge. As long as the SGP is a virtual closed shop you are always going to find that the Champion will come from a select(ed) few. I know I am always banging on about this - BUT - if EVERY Rider had to go through Qualifying Rounds - I would feel much better about the System. I believwe that EVERY Rider should have the chance to be World Champion EVERY year. As you say really not much to ask for from a World Championship.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Actually, I think most people are happy with a system in which the World Champion is the best rider in the World that season. Which the SGP does achieve, pretty much every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Great point MARK and fair play i say to Lindback, it does show the system is flawed though. I argue for it to be fairer yet all of them in it i am happy with.The only 3 who are not in the series who i want in it are WARD, LAGUTA, BATCHELOR.But would a Michael Lee like talent get a chance at 17or 18 now very unlikely as the system stands. umm... so Tai Woffinden got a chance as a teenager. What on earth makes you think that Michael Lee wouldn't!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 umm... so Tai Woffinden got a chance as a teenager. What on earth makes you think that Michael Lee wouldn't!?!? It is a FACT riders now dont get the same chances, Woffinden because he was British got one generally 9 out of 10 wont if they do it will only be the odd round.Yanowski Sundstrom 2 ex[] they might be aged 22 ,23 before they are a fully fledged member even older the point is getting the chance at the EARLIEST chance possible.Therefore the chance to compete against the best and gain the top class exsperience in the pressured envireoment of the g.ps.Speedway keep the same old faces in generally ,look at snooker Ronnie Osullivan is COMMERCIALLY and is probably the best player in the world.When he plays he sells venues out but Hearn and co say he will have to Qualify for every event now because he has dropped out of the top 16.A FAIRER system for EVERYONE Hearn says the sport is evolving and it needs NEW stars speedway should be the same every year you have to earn the right.Top 8 fine after that you have to QUALIFY then the opportunity of drip feeding new talent emerges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 It is a FACT riders now dont get the same chances, Woffinden because he was British got one generally 9 out of 10 wont if they do it will only be the odd round.Yanowski Sundstrom 2 ex[] they might be aged 22 ,23 before they are a fully fledged member even older the point is getting the chance at the EARLIEST chance possible.Therefore the chance to compete against the best and gain the top class exsperience in the pressured envireoment of the g.ps.Speedway keep the same old faces in generally ,look at snooker Ronnie Osullivan is COMMERCIALLY and is probably the best player in the world.When he plays he sells venues out but Hearn and co say he will have to Qualify for every event now because he has dropped out of the top 16.A FAIRER system for EVERYONE Hearn says the sport is evolving and it needs NEW stars speedway should be the same every year you have to earn the right.Top 8 fine after that you have to QUALIFY then the opportunity of drip feeding new talent emerges. The snooker model that you now think is the way to go is the exact same as the GP system that you see as unfair. Half the field seeded as a result of an ongoing qualification process, stay in the top 16 by consistently performing in each previous tournament. Surely thats not fair and these players playing a tournament every fortnight should be dragged back to play against me in the working mens club in order to keep their ranking. How can O Sullivan, or any other for that matter call themselves world champion when they didn't even qualify to be there. Snooker will never be taken seriously until they get a "proper" world championship that every one can take part in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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