scribbler Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Probably true about Poole! Why aren't EL and PL tracks running NL reserve teams given some subsidy out of the BSPA pot to run NL teams? Because the EL promoters don't really care about the sport - only about the money that they can line their own pockets with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Because the EL promoters don't really care about the sport - only about the money that they can line their own pockets with Excellent answer. Pithy & to the point. Insightful. Setting aside Hackney being shared between Rye House & Lakeside (the latter looking at establishing a team of their own for next year), we have Belle Vue & King's Lynn on one hand (9 teams & Lakeside in the EL)& Scunthorpe & Newport on the other (13 teams & Rye House in the PL). Now, only two of those four are either considering of have already not running next year. But, damn those money grabbing EL promoters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Probably true about Poole! In the case of Newport Hornets (always prefered the Mavericks nickname cause I can still remember Rochdale Hornets from the 1970's!)if crowds were as low as 50 thats unsustainable especially with the Wasps team getting poor crowds there in the PL! Why aren't EL and PL tracks running NL reserve teams given some subsidy out of the BSPA pot to run NL teams? Pot? There's a pot? Dateline Saturday, AGM: first point of order: WHAT POT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Excellent answer. Pithy & to the point. Insightful. Setting aside Hackney being shared between Rye House & Lakeside (the latter looking at establishing a team of their own for next year), we have Belle Vue & King's Lynn on one hand (9 teams & Lakeside in the EL)& Scunthorpe & Newport on the other (13 teams & Rye House in the PL). Now, only two of those four are either considering of have already not running next year. But, damn those money grabbing EL promoters EL promoters have Sky money. They could put a small percentage into a BSPA pot for the development of young British riders. They won't do it - they've already had a GB manager resign because the BSPA wouldn't put enough money in IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 EL promoters have Sky money. They could put a small percentage into a BSPA pot for the development of young British riders. They won't do it - they've already had a GB manager resign because the BSPA wouldn't put enough money in IIRC. Oh yeah, I fogot: they're awash with money. Whether it's right or wrong, in keeping with any other sport that "benefits" from the "Sky riches", it's ploughed into wages. Or maybe you're suggesting a further weakening of EL levels (if that's possible & still be able to differentiate from PL sides) to save cash to put into "the pot". So you're just ignoring that, however small, a higher percentage of EL teams have connection with NL teams than do the PL. Never let a fact get in the way of a prejudice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Oh yeah, I fogot: they're awash with money. Whether it's right or wrong, in keeping with any other sport that "benefits" from the "Sky riches", it's ploughed into wages. Or maybe you're suggesting a further weakening of EL levels (if that's possible & still be able to differentiate from PL sides) to save cash to put into "the pot". So you're just ignoring that, however small, a higher percentage of EL teams have connection with NL teams than do the PL. Never let a fact get in the way of a prejudice... The PL and the NL don't get Sky money and they survive. If the EL can't survive without 100% of the Sky money... if they can't put aside a (very) small percentage of the SKY money 'in the best interest of British Speedway' - then the EL owners are doing something very wrong. It's supposed to be the British Elite League - not 'the Elite league for any rider from anywhere in the world' ridden on British tracks. There should be a max number of foreign riders per team. For example it doesn't do Poland etc. any harm using a rule about using Polish riders. Those countries who have such rules in place have far better National teams than GB. The league may suffer for a while - but eventually the standard of GB riders would improve and ... Of course I know this will never happen. The owners of EL teams are only interested in the money - not in the sport of Speedway. When Speedway in this country eventually dies - and it's 'committing suicide by instalments' - those owners will just find somewhere else to put their money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madirish Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 pl teams do get money for sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 pl teams do get money for sky When they are shown on Sky - not the regular amount each season that EL clubs get from Sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backless Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) The PL and the NL don't get Sky money and they survive. If the EL can't survive without 100% of the Sky money... if they can't put aside a (very) small percentage of the SKY money 'in the best interest of British Speedway' - then the EL owners are doing something very wrong. It's supposed to be the British Elite League - not 'the Elite league for any rider from anywhere in the world' ridden on British tracks. There should be a max number of foreign riders per team. For example it doesn't do Poland etc. any harm using a rule about using Polish riders. Those countries who have such rules in place have far better National teams than GB. The league may suffer for a while - but eventually the standard of GB riders would improve and ... Of course I know this will never happen. The owners of EL teams are only interested in the money - not in the sport of Speedway. When Speedway in this country eventually dies - and it's 'committing suicide by instalments' - those owners will just find somewhere else to put their money... So we've lowered our expectations from a "small" amount to a "very small" amount. How much? £5k? £10k? So, you want the EL teams to be effectively "taxed" to subsidise some mythical NL team, who'll ride where? At a track that previously didn't want / couldn't afford / has no market for an NL team? Maybe EVERY EL team should be FORCED to have an NL team - would that be better? Presumably even you would acknowledge that it might be somewhat problematical for Wolves to have their own NL side. So that leaves nine clubs. Ignoring the fact that Birmingham have experimented (apparently with resounding failure in terms of fan interest), there's still 33% of EL teams involved in running NL teams, as opposed to @ 25% of PL teams (and reducing next year). But don't let that get in your way Edited November 17, 2011 by Backless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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