The Know Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 i dont think this should be a yearly event. maybe every 2 years would make it more interesting ? also sweden being seeded to the final is a real joke, cant see that happening in other sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Real joke will be Great Britain seeded to the final!! BTW - you can't see that happening in other sports?? In most sports team organizing final tournament is seeded to this final! Edited January 5, 2012 by Mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Real joke will be Great Britain seeded to the final!! BTW - you can't see that happening in other sports?? In most sports team organizing final tournament is seeded to this final! To the 'finals' (as in, in the football example the last 32..) NOT all the way to an actual Final... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Real joke will be Great Britain seeded to the final!! BTW - you can't see that happening in other sports?? In most sports team organizing final tournament is seeded to this final! taliking rubbish what sports ? and what motor/motor cycle sport does this ? if sweden end up winning it will just put another nail in the coffin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 How many teams take part in the finals of football championschips and what are the scheme of that finals? Speedway is kind of unique sport present in small number of countries ... And "thanks" to that there are only 8 teams in final tournament plus meetings are held like 4-teams-tournaments. What other sport is in similiar situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 PERHAPS it is not so much about making money as not losing it, unless the SWC Final is held in Poland every year. That's the reality these days. Ole Olsen lost money when he last staged the race-off and final (remember, it is two meetings that the hosts are responsible for) at Vojens and the Swedes have never been prepared to stick their necks out without the guarantee of home participation. We can all argue that it would be better if that were not the case but we aren't the ones writing the cheques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Hmm, been huge crowds at the Norfolk Arena in both of the last two years as there was for that WCF at Reading a few years back... Seems to be doing okay on these shores.. So, Phil, do you know...: is there actually this threat to the World Cup as a team competition as the originator of this thread asked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Hmm, been huge crowds at the Norfolk Arena in both of the last two years as there was for that WCF at Reading a few years back... Seems to be doing okay on these shores.. So, Phil, do you know...: is there actually this threat to the World Cup as a team competition as the originator of this thread asked? HUGE crowds? Around 5,000 not that huge especially compared to those almost assured in Poland. If the new Belle Vue stadium is ready and FIM certified by 2013 the SWC final will almost certainly go there. Don't think there is any threat to the SWC. A World Pairs has been discussed and it would open the door to a few more countries to be represented at the top level but the calendar is a bit unforgiving these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 HUGE crowds? Around 5,000 not that huge especially compared to those almost assured in Poland. If the new Belle Vue stadium is ready and FIM certified by 2013 the SWC final will almost certainly go there. Don't think there is any threat to the SWC. A World Pairs has been discussed and it would open the door to a few more countries to be represented at the top level but the calendar is a bit unforgiving these days. Come on Phil - they WERE very big crowds... Big overspill car parking used and very difficult by start time to find a good viewing position... If you don't think those were good sized crowds you certainly are a hard man to please!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Come on Phil - they WERE very big crowds... Big overspill car parking used and very difficult by start time to find a good viewing position... If you don't think those were good sized crowds you certainly are a hard man to please!!! You could fit the NA attendance into Gorzow - an all-seat stadium - about four times and still have room left over I reckon. If you turn up late at any British track you'll find it hard to get a good possie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 You could fit the NA attendance into Gorzow - an all-seat stadium - about four times and still have room left over I reckon. If you turn up late at any British track you'll find it hard to get a good possie. Well yes but I stand by being a tad positive that it WAS a good-sized crowd!!! Plenty of tracks Dave where never mind turn up late, if you 'phone ahead to say you're coming they'd wait 'til you got there!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 HUGE crowds? Around 5,000 not that huge especially compared to those almost assured in Poland. If the new Belle Vue stadium is ready and FIM certified by 2013 the SWC final will almost certainly go there. Don't think there is any threat to the SWC. A World Pairs has been discussed and it would open the door to a few more countries to be represented at the top level but the calendar is a bit unforgiving these days. The calendar is a bit unforgiving, but still allows a so called Champions League to be introduced. It seems it is unforgiving only if it comes to national teams competitions. Anyway, what about changing the F.I.M. team competition in the following way: I'd suggest a three-year rotation of events. First year - a World Pairs championship Second year - a World (Four) Team Championship Third Year - a proper Speedway World Cup Tourmament (team v team as in a test match) In the fourth year it would be the World pairs again, and so on. So we would have a world pairs championship every three years, a world 4-team championship every three years and a 'real' speedway world cup every three years. The pairs event (with as many nations as there are) could serve as a qualifyer for the following year's 4-team event (with a limited number of nations allowed to participate, e.g top 12 or top 16 of the world pairs), and the 4-team championship again serving as a qualifyer for the following year's SWC, perhaps with the top four, six or eight nations in the world. It would add variety to the annual calendar and not create a more crowded fixture list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 HUGE crowds? Around 5,000 not that huge especially compared to those almost assured in Poland. If the new Belle Vue stadium is ready and FIM certified by 2013 the SWC final will almost certainly go there. Don't think there is any threat to the SWC. A World Pairs has been discussed and it would open the door to a few more countries to be represented at the top level but the calendar is a bit unforgiving these days. How much did it cost to get into Gorzow as opposed to King's Lynn? I'd never be surprised if more money was made on the gate at Lynn than at Gorzow. Unforgiving calendar, so cut down on the number of GPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 The calendar is a bit unforgiving, but still allows a so called Champions League to be introduced. It seems it is unforgiving only if it comes to national teams competitions. Anyway, what about changing the F.I.M. team competition in the following way: I'd suggest a three-year rotation of events. First year - a World Pairs championship Second year - a World (Four) Team Championship Third Year - a proper Speedway World Cup Tourmament (team v team as in a test match) In the fourth year it would be the World pairs again, and so on. So we would have a world pairs championship every three years, a world 4-team championship every three years and a 'real' speedway world cup every three years. The pairs event (with as many nations as there are) could serve as a qualifyer for the following year's 4-team event (with a limited number of nations allowed to participate, e.g top 12 or top 16 of the world pairs), and the 4-team championship again serving as a qualifyer for the following year's SWC, perhaps with the top four, six or eight nations in the world. It would add variety to the annual calendar and not create a more crowded fixture list. A really good idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 The calendar is a bit unforgiving, but still allows a so called Champions League to be introduced. It seems it is unforgiving only if it comes to national teams competitions. Anyway, what about changing the F.I.M. team competition in the following way: I'd suggest a three-year rotation of events. First year - a World Pairs championship Second year - a World (Four) Team Championship Third Year - a proper Speedway World Cup Tourmament (team v team as in a test match) In the fourth year it would be the World pairs again, and so on. So we would have a world pairs championship every three years, a world 4-team championship every three years and a 'real' speedway world cup every three years. The pairs event (with as many nations as there are) could serve as a qualifyer for the following year's 4-team event (with a limited number of nations allowed to participate, e.g top 12 or top 16 of the world pairs), and the 4-team championship again serving as a qualifyer for the following year's SWC, perhaps with the top four, six or eight nations in the world. It would add variety to the annual calendar and not create a more crowded fixture list. What a first rate idea. Cracking Post with POSITIVE suggestions. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 A really good idea... Run this past me again....you like the idea of a pairs competition acting as a qualifier for the year afters WTC,but think that the individual qualifiers the year before for the GPs compromise or degrade the individual World Championship competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Run this past me again....you like the idea of a pairs competition acting as a qualifier for the year afters WTC,but think that the individual qualifiers the year before for the GPs compromise or degrade the individual World Championship competition He's old and confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Run this past me again....you like the idea of a pairs competition acting as a qualifier for the year afters WTC,but think that the individual qualifiers the year before for the GPs compromise or degrade the individual World Championship competition No - pay attention, the bit in bold in my re-quoting in my post was the bit I said was a good idea... That was the whole purpose of, er, me putting that bit in bold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 No - pay attention, the bit in bold in my re-quoting in my post was the bit I said was a good idea... That was the whole purpose of, er, me putting that bit in bold! Oh sorry.Guess i should have known you like the basic idea,but not the way Bavarian said it should be run But as White Knight hasn't put any part in bold then the question goes out to him.But seeing as he didn't answer,nor as far as i know did sidney answer any of my points on the other thread,after i so painstakingly answered his points i might be waiting a while for an answer....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Oh sorry.Guess i should have known you like the basic idea,but not the way Bavarian said it should be run But as White Knight hasn't put any part in bold then the question goes out to him.But seeing as he didn't answer,nor as far as i know did sidney answer any of my points on the other thread,after i so painstakingly answered his points i might be waiting a while for an answer....... I will say Iris on the other thread, 4 points say it all really, no real answers to them from you or anyone. 1/ Humphrey [ who mentioned the crowds old format alot higher] 2/Parsloes who mentioned mike Lee aged17 / John louis aged 29 wouldnt get a chance in the gps straight away now.] 3.White Knights point about div 2 rider Jack Young wouldnt of got his chance either] 4./This point from Phil well is laughable really [i speak to the riders and they love the way the direction of the series is going .Because they know the same old faces a closed shop will have the bread and Butter of the sport for as long as most wants says it all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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