The White Knight Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 As an addition to the world cup, this would be awesome. As a replacement, noooooooo My sentiments EXACTLY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Speedway being primarily a team sport I prefer the traditional team format. Hmm, well that's a slightly ambiguous comment. WTC type racing in the 4TT format is individual racing in each actual heat... Pairs is as it says on the tin, is two riders together from the same 'team' and thus more in line with what you say is the true spirit of the sport, team riding... Oh for a competition like the World Series (or whatever it was called...) of 1973... Now THAT would be a proper World Cup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Sweden seeded directly to the final. Only the winner of the Race-Off qualifying for the final. Better or worse ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Sweden seeded directly to the final. Only the winner of the Race-Off qualifying for the final. Better or worse ? . Personally I prefer this system never liked the old way , the real problem is there are not enough quality team to have four qualifying rounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I have a real issue with the new format. All the other teams once they make the final can pick the most in form riders whereas Sweden are going to have to pick a 4 with no competitive racing and go in cold. It can only be a negative for a host nation. I personally would just seed the host nation to the race-off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 It's all about making money, attracting the punters, convincing the tv companies, forget anything else!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscar Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Don,t like the new system of seeding the home nation through to the final.In recent years its been a case of 6 teams scrapping for 4 places in the final.This for me weakens event 2 which now looks a straight shoot out between team GB and AUS,Throw Sweden in and you had a genuine 3 way dice but not now.Also the race off,if one team streaks away we could know the result pretty quickly,before we had the scrap between 2nd and 3rd but not now and traditionally the race off is poorly attended if the home nation is not involved which will definitely be the case next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 If the World Cup is to be a financial success, then the host nation has to be involved. This is a good move, and will save the World Cup as a viable competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B's Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 wouldnt it of made sense to put the Host nation into the Race Off 1st instead of the final? You could have winners of event 1&2 into final. Then in race off would be host nation, runners up from events 1&2 & the highest scoring 3rd place team from events 1&2. Then its the top 2 from the race off joins winners from events 1&2 in the final. I think that would be better IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Sweden seeded directly to the final. Only the winner of the Race-Off qualifying for the final. Better or worse ? Probably setting it up for GB to host another final when the new Belle Vue stadium's ready in 2013 - let's face it, youse Poms aren't good enough to qualify on merit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinuteWarning Posted December 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Sweden seeded directly to the final. Only the winner of the Race-Off qualifying for the final. Better or worse ? As I understand it, this was one of the main reasons that Sweden have never staged the finals until now - what sort of a crowd would they get if Sweden didnt qualify? But I think the hosts should be seeded to the Race-Off, not to the Final, if they want a guarantee a decent crowd at the Race-Off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 As I understand it, this was one of the main reasons that Sweden have never staged the finals until now - what sort of a crowd would they get if Sweden didnt qualify? But I think the hosts should be seeded to the Race-Off, not to the Final, if they want a guarantee a decent crowd at the Race-Off. What benefit would that be? They could benefit more competing for a PO place. Seeding to the final is a benefit but to the PO pointless as it denies them a chance to go straight through to the final. Not in agreement with this change but can see why it has been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 But I think the hosts should be seeded to the Race-Off, not to the Final, if they want a guarantee a decent crowd at the Race-Off. What about having two 16-heat semi-finals at the same venue on the same day? Then you could hold the Race-Off and Final at another venue using the same format, but seeding the host nation to the Race-Off if they failed to qualify directly for the Final. This way, the host nation would be represented in all the meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 It's all about making money, attracting the punters, convincing the tv companies, forget anything else!! I have to agree Trees. Sadly that seems to be the main motivating factor. Problem is - these days it probably HAS to be given the current financial climate. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I have to agree Trees. Sadly that seems to be the main motivating factor. Problem is - these days it probably HAS to be given the current financial climate. :sad: I think they've got it horribly wrong though. Most Swedes won't bother with the race-off at all now where as, if Sweden had been put into the race some Swedish fans would he bought cup final tickets in advance just to protect that they could get in. I suppose it's all swings & roundabouts though isn't it?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Next they'll just pick the four teams for the final and that'll be it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Next they'll just pick the four teams for the final and that'll be it Actually they may as well do that. Australia, Poland, Sweden & Denmark are light years ahead of any other nation and probably will be for the next 2 decades at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) Personally, I would hate to lose the SWC, and think that while it would nice so see a pairs back, it would have to be in addition to the SWC. In any sport, the greatest honour of all is to represent one's country, and now that we have lost all those glorious Test Series, reducing the SWC to a pairs would be a retrograde step for both riders as well as supporters. They tried it a few years ago and it didn't last long... It is nice for a number of countries to get a bite at the cherry, but I did enjoy having a week-long SWC event in one country; it certainly makes it easier for the riders. I see no reason why we couldn't compact the SWC to a weekend event, in the same way that we used to with the NL Fours and Grand Slam. Obviously, injuries could be a concern, but not much more than we have currently. I do think that seeding the host nation to the final is a wise move economically. After all, I was at White City in '79 and '82! Steve Edited December 6, 2011 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtc Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I personally loved the events in one country, i went to all the meetings in eastborne and poole a few years ago, it also meant that people followed the whole series. I'd like to see a test series maybe over 2 years with 6 or 7 riders 15 to 18 heats as well as the SWC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I do think that seeding the host nation to the final is a wise move economically. After all, I was at White City in '79 and '82! Steve And '76 was another WTC at White City England (aka GB) didn't qualify for!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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