IW08 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Really doesn't bother me TBH about the SWC, its always the same old teams in the final competing for the trophy. Anyone who finds that exciting must find watching paint dry on a wall provides thrills too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Really doesn't bother me TBH about the SWC, its always the same old teams in the final competing for the trophy. Anyone who finds that exciting must find watching paint dry on a wall provides thrills too. Hmm, maybe. But such a concept doesn't seem to bother those organising Test Cricket series and the Six Nations RU.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Really doesn't bother me TBH about the SWC, its always the same old teams in the final competing for the trophy. Anyone who finds that exciting must find watching paint dry on a wall provides thrills too. Indeed. Untill all the countries in the world have a fair chance of qualifying, how can it be considered a true World Championship? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Indeed. Untill all the countries in the world have a fair chance of qualifying, how can it be considered a true World Championship? LIKE it ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I seem to remember Screeny was offered a wild card after returning from breaking his leg but turned it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm sure you've been on here long enough to realise by now that in the vast majority of my posts I turn for guidance to the Wit and Wisdom of Mao-Tse-Tongue-in-cheek. As I've said it's more frustration with the constant repetition of points that have been disproved both on this and the previous thread that cheeses me off - it's enough to drive a man to drink - and drugs - and the pursuit of loose women. You don't need driving to drink drugs and women your already there only 11 weeks to brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Oh I am sorry. I didn't realise there was a time limit on when riders would be dissapionted on loosing their GP place. No I guess there isn't... Though there are fewer and fewer actual examples you can come up with now, which might explain why you went so far back in time for your carefully chosen 'examples'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 No I guess there isn't... Though there are fewer and fewer actual examples you can come up with now, which might explain why you went so far back in time for your carefully chosen 'examples'... OK. The majority of riders who have lost their GP place in the last 3 seasons. Is that recent enough for you? Or I could have just given you a list of all the riders that have dropped out since the start of the GP system. What about your constant banging on about a system that has been gone for 16 years? That's going back further than me. What do you think is better for a wider audiance. Top class World Championship GPs on TV every couple of weeks or one meeting a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 You don't need driving to drink drugs and women your already there only 11 weeks to brother I must admit I moved closer to save the drive. See you REAL SOON!! :drink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 OK. The majority of riders who have lost their GP place in the last 3 seasons. Is that recent enough for you? Or I could have just given you a list of all the riders that have dropped out since the start of the GP system. What about your constant banging on about a system that has been gone for 16 years? That's going back further than me. What do you think is better for a wider audiance. Top class World Championship GPs on TV every couple of weeks or one meeting a year? The "majority of riders"..? What about them..? Not at all sure what you mean..? What I do know is that the huge majority of riders in it three years ago have NOT lost their places and we (and they) can look forward to seeing them in 2012!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 The "majority of riders"..? What about them..? Not at all sure what you mean..? What I do know is that the huge majority of riders in it three years ago have NOT lost their places and we (and they) can look forward to seeing them in 2012!!! You mentioned in an earlier post somewhere about that it's easy for riders to stay in the GP series and they are almost guaranteed to do so. I mentioned Rune Holta might dissagree with you. You then posted about it only being one rider and implying it doesn't matter. That is when I posted that the majority of riders who lose their slot in the GPs would be dissapointed. I have deliberatly typed this slowly for your benefit. Also glad to see in your post that you are looking forward to watching the GPs in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 OK. The majority of riders who have lost their GP place in the last 3 seasons. Is that recent enough for you? Or I could have just given you a list of all the riders that have dropped out since the start of the GP system. What about your constant banging on about a system that has been gone for 16 years? That's going back further than me. What do you think is better for a wider audiance. Top class World Championship GPs on TV every couple of weeks or one meeting a year? You have to QUALIFY to get to one meeting a year ,but i suppose it would be nice for riders to have a CHANCE if they wanted to compete for the premier prize.As i think Humphrey eluded to 1 gp every fortnight is to much to much as in distracting league fixtures[clubs dont get compensatedWHY?] and for me personally to are taking away the specialness of the event.I was going to say nothing on the subject again but you WIE-JA spout on about the same old drivel nothing positive.The gp series is here to STAY we all no that but something in the event has to CHANGE getting quite mudane and needs freshening up a bit otherwise the event could become stale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 You have to QUALIFY to get to one meeting a year ,but i suppose it would be nice for riders to have a CHANCE if they wanted to compete for the premier prize.As i think Humphrey eluded to 1 gp every fortnight is to much to much as in distracting league fixtures[clubs dont get compensatedWHY?] and for me personally to are taking away the specialness of the event.I was going to say nothing on the subject again but you WIE-JA spout on about the same old drivel nothing positive.The gp series is here to STAY we all no that but something in the event has to CHANGE getting quite mudane and needs freshening up a bit otherwise the event could become stale. You have to qualify to stay in the GPs as well. Either by scoring enough points to stay in the top 8 or going through national championships and then the the GP qualifying rounds. I agree with you about too many GPs. Personally any more than 12 would be too many. As for the UK leagues, well they're going to have to work out a way of dealing with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 You have to qualify to stay in the GPs as well. Either by scoring enough points to stay in the top 8 or going through national championships and then the the GP qualifying rounds. I agree with you about too many GPs. Personally any more than 12 would be too many. As for the UK leagues, well they're going to have to work out a way of dealing with it. No hopefully they work together and come to a agreement,to suit all parties. If there wasnt 1 GP meeting every fortnight the problems might not be there.As for the qualifying in affect only about 5 spots to go for 11or 12 pick thereselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 No hopefully they work together and come to a agreement,to suit all parties. If there wasnt 1 GP meeting every fortnight the problems might not be there.As for the qualifying in affect only about 5 spots to go for 11or 12 pick thereselves. Do you really believe that the state of British Speedway is down to the SGP? Yes it interferes with the the leagues but probably not much more that the old system did with World Final/Team Cup/Pairs and their various qualyfiers along the way. The state of British Speedway has its current problems rooted in the late 80s when the promoters hit upon the idea of trying to account for losing fans by upping admission to the remainder, leading to more lost fans and ultimately a product on offer no way commensurate with the admission cost. What the SGP does do though is give the sport 3 hours of prime time advertising on a Saturday night, instead of fighting against it King Canute style the sport should have embraced this and developed on the back of it. The problems now are probably irrecoverable, advertising campaigns are useless as anyone you may attract will never come back after seeing a typical league match, costs keep going up meaning more fans lost. Of course the above is not exclusive to the UK, Poland now seems to be on the same path and the current problems over here will hit them in a few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 OK. The majority of riders who have lost their GP place in the last 3 seasons. Is that recent enough for you? Or I could have just given you a list of all the riders that have dropped out since the start of the GP system. What about your constant banging on about a system that has been gone for 16 years? That's going back further than me. What do you think is better for a wider audiance. Top class World Championship GPs on TV every couple of weeks or one meeting a year? You're wrong - no one bangs on about what happened 16 years ago; those of us with entirely justifible concerns about the way the SGP series is run (bearing in mind it's MEANT to be the sport's world championship) are pointing out what's wrong with the system NOW. The old WF system is only a point of reference. It is clear if the Speedway World Championship is to have credibility as something which there's a fair qualification into and not one so massively pitched in favour of an elite few, that things like qualification methods (eg an early season series of qualifers leading to a later season championship series) need to be considered as an alternative. There are enough dates and venues for this to be a possibility and the boost it would give to the sport NOW would imho be considerable... Soooo conservative to suggest that no change is possible and we must stick with the current system and the same old faces! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 You're wrong - no one bangs on about what happened 16 years ago; those of us with entirely justifible concerns about the way the SGP series is run (bearing in mind it's MEANT to be the sport's world championship) are pointing out what's wrong with the system NOW. The old WF system is only a point of reference. It is clear if the Speedway World Championship is to have credibility as something which there's a fair qualification into and not one so massively pitched in favour of an elite few, that things like qualification methods (eg an early season series of qualifers leading to a later season championship series) need to be considered as an alternative. There are enough dates and venues for this to be a possibility and the boost it would give to the sport NOW would imho be considerable... Soooo conservative to suggest that no change is possible and we must stick with the current system and the same old faces! There is only ever an elite few who have the ability to win the World Championship no matter how it is fought out, one day or multi round series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 You're wrong - no one bangs on about what happened 16 years ago; Soooo conservative to suggest that no change is possible and we must stick with the current system and the same old faces! No.We keep hearing about Michael Lee + even Jack Young who were around a bit further back than 16 years ago....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 No.We keep hearing about Michael Lee + even Jack Young who were around a bit further back than 16 years ago....... That's because these are examples of the SORT of rider now denied a crack at the World title... You obviously think that's okay so fair enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 There is only ever an elite few who have the ability to win the World Championship no matter how it is fought out, one day or multi round series. [5 RANDOM FINALS picked for examples] 1970] POLAND mauger briggs olsen michanek waloszek woryna 6] 1977] SWEDEN michanek lee collins sanders olsen mauger 6] 1980] SWEDEN lee jessup penhall nielsen sanders andersson 6] 1981] ENGLAND penhall lee carter gundersen nielsen knudsen olsen jessup 8] 1984] SWEDEN gundersen nielsen sanders s. moran k.moran king 6] You said there were always only a elite who could win a world final.I picked FIVE random finals . FOUR of them at least 6 of the riders could of won the final and in 1981 at least 8 of them could of won it as well. Also bearing in mind in some of those years there were alot of spoilers who could do some damage as well. 2012 GP series CRUMP HANCOCK GOLLOB HAMPEL are in my opinion the only ones who can win the title [ 4] THREE of them have been in the series for well OVER A DECADE does that last sentence tell you you have to have fresh blood yearly and a new impeteus on the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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