Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 The good old days. From what I recall, it was also nearly me vs Mrs Buzz Burrows after the match, but you interjected before I said anything else to save me from a beating. All the best Rob Indeed. It would've been a no-contest Roberto!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Dekker, problem is these days, we know you're on a constant wind-up. Once went to a Reading v Swindon match expecting a good atmosphere - it was like a library. All the best Rob Think it was 1980, at smallmead the robins won 40.38 Stevie Gresham got blamed for bringing Briggo junior off i am sure it was Milan Spinka,s fault.Briggo senior wernt happy and he and Gresh had a scuffle.Me myself i wudnt want to mess with Stevie G ,that year and the year after Gresham and Holloway had a great partnership for the robins could beat anyone as a partnership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Indeed. It would've been a no-contest Roberto!! I miss nights like that. I've got the DVD. It sounds like there were about 5000 in the stadium (instead of the 200-300 who were there). Every time Buzz comes out for his latter riders, you can hear all the abuse coming from the terraces. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Kojak was a star. He used to get the Swindon fans going a treat. Dunno about that, 99% of the time he ended up wanting to fight everyone. In some ways speedway miss characters like him. Oxford mail archive doesn't go that far back so cant be sure, Karger/Dugard i think was a few weeks earlier with Dugard kept being sent out and kept going thru the tapes when the ref stopped the race, i think John Whittiker was the ref and ended up fining Dugard and Oxford and the Crapper pontificated he wouldn't ref at Oxford again, of course the ACU sent him straight back to ref as soon as possible. Swindon had an erratic record but always seemed to win at the most unexpected times, but you knew any oxford match was going to be aggro from the moment you got close to blackbird leys. Reading was just as intense without the lunatic fringe you had at Oxford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Dunno about that, 99% of the time he ended up wanting to fight everyone. In some ways speedway miss characters like him. Oxford mail archive doesn't go that far back so cant be sure, Karger/Dugard i think was a few weeks earlier with Dugard kept being sent out and kept going thru the tapes when the ref stopped the race, i think John Whittiker was the ref and ended up fining Dugard and Oxford and the Crapper pontificated he wouldn't ref at Oxford again, of course the ACU sent him straight back to ref as soon as possible. Swindon had an erratic record but always seemed to win at the most unexpected times, but you knew any oxford match was going to be aggro from the moment you got close to blackbird leys. Reading was just as intense without the lunatic fringe you had at Oxford. Dekker, I think that it was all on the same night - John Whitaker was the ref of this meeting. Hans Nielsen also blow up two engines and scored just six points (two wins and two engine failures). All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Dekker, I think that it was all on the same night - John Whitaker was the ref of this meeting. Hans Nielsen also blow up two engines and scored just six points (two wins and two engine failures). I remember the EF's Nielsen way in front gestures at the swindon fans giving him the finger and 5 secs later pop, seem to remember it was a week to the WF and he had modified his conrods [ie titanium and cut down] as a test and both engines failed, he didnt appear in heat 13 did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) I remember the EF's Nielsen way in front gestures at the swindon fans giving him the finger and 5 secs later pop, seem to remember it was a week to the WF and he had modified his conrods [ie titanium and cut down] as a test and both engines failed, he didnt appear in heat 13 did he? No he didn't show in the nominated, by which time the meeting was already lost by Oxford. I think there was a Dugard / Karger fight in 1989 (i.e. the following year), trying to find the detials for this. All the best Rob Edited November 4, 2011 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) Found it now: there was a punch-up between Dugard and Karger in the Gold Cup daytime meeting at Oxford on Easter Monday 1989. Karger excluded in this case for KOing Dugard. An incensed Dugard then threw a punch at Karger and was fined £50 by referee Barry Richardson. All the best Rob Edited November 4, 2011 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Think it was 1980, at smallmead the robins won 40.38 Stevie Gresham got blamed for bringing Briggo junior off i am sure it was Milan Spinka,s fault.Briggo senior wernt happy and he and Gresh had a scuffle.Me myself i wudnt want to mess with Stevie G ,that year and the year after Gresham and Holloway had a great partnership for the robins could beat anyone as a partnership. Before my time, but Steve the Heave is one of my fav riders still, when i started in 81, Steve and Malc were still a great partnership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Some fascinating stuff here. I hadn't realised Swindon-Oxford was such a spicy one, so it's great to read all about it here. Picking up on the Wolves-Cradley tales, I'm sure I recall the two clubs setting up some sort of end of season 20 heat challenge between them in the early 90s. To outsiders it would seem meaningless, but clearly to each camp it was anything but! I'm a bit surprised to see Crump-Pedersen and some of the other modern GP ones here. I really haven't felt that intense head-to-head at all between any two individuals in the GP era. For me, Hans Andersen-Scott Nicholls might qualify as a decent rivalry, but nothing to compare with some in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Didn't Karger and Dugard have two seperate comings together on different occasions? Not sure, but I think they did. Kojak, normally, was funny and good for a wind-up, but that night he was well out of order and in no way having a joke. He was well mardy at the Cheetahs having been given a stuffing and then ran and shut the gate just as Swindon were coming out onto the track for a victory parade. The mass brawl that ensued was great. I remember that far more than the actual match. Oxford v Swindon was always the big rivalry match for me. There was always something happening in the Cowley matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Didn't Karger and Dugard have two seperate comings together on different occasions? Not sure, but I think they did. Kojak, normally, was funny and good for a wind-up, but that night he was well out of order and in no way having a joke. He was well mardy at the Cheetahs having been given a stuffing and then ran and shut the gate just as Swindon were coming out onto the track for a victory parade. The mass brawl that ensued was great. I remember that far more than the actual match. Oxford v Swindon was always the big rivalry match for me. There was always something happening in the Cowley matches. Hi Grachan, Yes, two clashes between Dugard and Karger: 1. August 1988 - during the night of the riot/brawl/handbags. Dugard excluded, rode through the tapes. 2. March 1989 - an Easter Monday Gold Cup daytime meeting. Karger excluded, Dugard punched him. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I'm a bit surprised to see Crump-Pedersen and some of the other modern GP ones here. Crump Snr - Billy Sanders was quite tasty for a while, Swindon - Ippo at that time always had an edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Crump Snr - Billy Sanders was quite tasty for a while, Swindon - Ippo at that time always had an edge. Crump and Sanders Both great riders, always i think there was a tension .But they got on i think respect at the end of the day ,You can never dispute they were great Both great riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Some fascinating stuff here. I hadn't realised Swindon-Oxford was such a spicy one, so it's great to read all about it here. Picking up on the Wolves-Cradley tales, I'm sure I recall the two clubs setting up some sort of end of season 20 heat challenge between them in the early 90s. To outsiders it would seem meaningless, but clearly to each camp it was anything t. Oxford vs Those down the A420 would be a lively affair if it was tiddleywinks on pogosticks on ice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I never saw it that way but maybe its due to the fact i started following swindon when only reading were in the top flight, and i never followed football so never thought about oxford much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Coventry . leicester . not just speedway everything What's Coventry?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 For those in the Black Country, Graham Warren (Wolves) v Ivor Brown (Cradley. Just to add Brown V Mauger Mauger talks about it in his recent biography. Nicki V Watson Killer racing in 1998, just as well they were in different leagues straight after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I miss nights like that. I've got the DVD. It sounds like there were about 5000 in the stadium (instead of the 200-300 who were there). Every time Buzz comes out for his latter riders, you can hear all the abuse coming from the terraces. All the best Rob Ah, but the abuse I gave back was louder!!!! As you say, great days; and mate, after all those years of following Oxford like you did, I really feel for you..: these b@st@rds who take away our tracks have a lot to answer for.. THAT'S the biggest rivarly in the sport, us against the developers and heartless speculators... A beer next season somewhere..: is a must..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Didn't Karger and Dugard have two seperate comings together on different occasions? Not sure, but I think they did. Kojak, normally, was funny and good for a wind-up, but that night he was well out of order and in no way having a joke. He was well mardy at the Cheetahs having been given a stuffing and then ran and shut the gate just as Swindon were coming out onto the track for a victory parade. The mass brawl that ensued was great. I remember that far more than the actual match. Oxford v Swindon was always the big rivalry match for me. There was always something happening in the Cowley matches. About 60 fans were in a mass brawl at Cowley also, with the Swindon supporters coach being attacked afterwards, then some Robins fans got off and chased the Oxford yobs up the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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