Nikko Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 With Nielsen and Dan Halsey in the top 5 that's going to put massive pressure on the reserves' one of whom may be a new 3 pointer. The success of last years team was based on having a very strong reserve all season. Both Dan and Nielson made their averages, if I remember correctly, from the reserve or even No 8 position in Nielsen case. If one of them rides at No 2 and the other at No 4 they are going to struggle to maintain their averages never mind step up to possible third heat leader. For the fans sake I hope Joe Joe recovers and has the season we all know he can, or Dan or one of the reserves is going to have to have a season like Lewis had or the Fen Tigers could be in trouble. Also how many meetings with Cam miss? Interesting team selection but the promotion know what there doing, and who was available and willing to ride at West Row, so we must wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted January 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) Personally I think Dan Halsey could be the rider to become our third heat leader. No doubt in my mind he has the talent, the machinery and after a couple of difficult years has found a club where he feels wanted. It wasn't so long ago he was averaging 8 in the NL and nearly 4 in the PL at Rye House and it wouldn't surprise me to him up around 7 - 7.5 this season, especially if he starts 2012 how he finished 2011! Message for Nikko - Damn Blackberry's lol ! Edited January 3, 2012 by PhilK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Mildenhall 2012 Think you are trying to tell us something Phil lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) This is my fault, Mr Barton (I am nearly as dogmatic and awkward as a certain close relative of yours ) My apologies, and I look forward to the pleasure of your comapny again this season. Happy New year Chris, look forward to seeing you again soon at Mildenhall. As for the team I think Halsey is a steal on his average, he looked excellent towards the end of the season. Nielson looked good to me when he was at Mildenhall so Im certain he will improve with Louis,Henry, Jolly and Lee to guide him? Jacobs wasnt that impressive last season not a patch on previous seasons when I have watched him, his head always seemed down and he never looked happy? hopefully he will get back to his old self. Why that was Im unsure. Whats Robert Lambert like ? i here he is supposed to be quite useful ? 3 pointer ?? to improve his average? perhaps another Heeps is out there? Edited January 3, 2012 by Damon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) Robert Lambert ain't old enough yet, I believe he's only thirteen or fourteen and won't be old enough for NL racing until the 2013 season. To answer your question of what he's like, I'd say he's potentially very, VERY good. Edited January 3, 2012 by Bagpuss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted January 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Whats Robert Lambert like ? i here he is supposed to be quite useful ? 3 pointer ?? to improve his average? perhaps another Heeps is out there? I think Bagpuss is correct Damon, in that Robert Lambert isn't old enough to ride in the NL this season. Hopefully he will be invited to Mildenhall during the coming season for some second halfs as potentially he certainly looks a very good prospect. Nathan Stoneman would certainly fit the bill though for 2012! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I think Bagpuss is correct Damon, in that Robert Lambert isn't old enough to ride in the NL this season. Hopefully he will be invited to Mildenhall during the coming season for some second halfs as potentially he certainly looks a very good prospect. Didn't some team try to get special dispensation (from the BSPA) for him to ride in the NL before? I want to say Rye House, but I may well be wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) Didn't some team try to get special dispensation (from the BSPA) for him to ride in the NL before? I want to say Rye House, but I may well be wrong! It was in this press release http://www.speedwayg...?extend.13798.6 Good job he can go and race in Germany tbh. Edited January 3, 2012 by Feelthebuzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 It was in this press release http://www.speedwayg...?extend.13798.6 Good job he can go and race in Germany tbh. Well come on, 15 is young enough... What possible grounds could there be to give "special permission" to allow a 13 year old in... It would have to apply across the board and there has to be a cut off point which - as I say - really can't surely go lower than 15... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Well come on, 15 is young enough... What possible grounds could there be to give "special permission" to allow a 13 year old in... It would have to apply across the board and there has to be a cut off point which - as I say - really can't surely go lower than 15... I'd presume it would come under Youth Employment Laws. Remembering my paper round there is something in law about the hours that a schoolchild can work. Also the NL is (I think) semi-professional and therefore there could be laws about that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I'd presume it would come under Youth Employment Laws. Remembering my paper round there is something in law about the hours that a schoolchild can work. Also the NL is (I think) semi-professional and therefore there could be laws about that... Well that's right. Though the employment law side of things has 16 as the changeover point in terms of rights/protections - so there COULD be employment issues even with 15 year olds racing NL.. My issue is as much about health & safety. I once saw (I won't name the rider/ocassion) a 15 year old gravelly injured in a crash when there did seem for a few hours a chance it could be a fatality. Mercifully that rider has fully recovered but I can tell you when the Police attended the stadium (as they did) as a potential fatal accident investigation was launched and I saw the youngsters's date of birth it made my blood run cold at the thought that someone only just 15 could've been killed on a British track... So any younger than that...? No I really don't think we should ever go down that road.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Well that's right. Though the employment law side of things has 16 as the changeover point in terms of rights/protections - so there COULD be employment issues even with 15 year olds racing NL.. My issue is as much about health & safety. I once saw (I won't name the rider/ocassion) a 15 year old gravelly injured in a crash when there did seem for a few hours a chance it could be a fatality. Mercifully that rider has fully recovered but I can tell you when the Police attended the stadium (as they did) as a potential fatal accident investigation was launched and I saw the youngsters's date of birth it made my blood run cold at the thought that someone only just 15 could've been killed on a British track... So any younger than that...? No I really don't think we should ever go down that road.. We agree !!! Having lost a dear friend to this sport and knowing the family still, 43 years later (wife, child and now grandchildren) I know how dangerous and cruel this sport can be. We all tend to think of the good things about the sport. Age restrictions are there for a reason - and the reason should not be forgotten, and the rules should never be overridden, however good a rider a youngster is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Motorsport by its very nature can be dangerous. However I think speedway should be looking at getting kids involved in the sport competitively at a much younger age on suitably sized bikes with suitably sized engines, how many kids take part in other motorcycle sports at young ages? Could we get them into our sport instead? Perhaps then we would eventually find the next British world champion, the broader the base the higher you can climb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Motorsport by its very nature can be dangerous. However I think speedway should be looking at getting kids involved in the sport competitively at a much younger age on suitably sized bikes with suitably sized engines, how many kids take part in other motorcycle sports at young ages? Could we get them into our sport instead? Perhaps then we would eventually find the next British world champion, the broader the base the higher you can climb! Well I see your point but surely you must agree that there must be a cut-off point younger than which one can't compete against adults..? 12 year olds going into races featuring also a 30 year old..? I really don't think it would be anyone's interest for something like that to be permissable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Well I see your point but surely you must agree that there must be a cut-off point younger than which one can't compete against adults..? 12 year olds going into races featuring also a 30 year old..? I really don't think it would be anyone's interest for something like that to be permissable... I don't think that is what Simon Barton is suggesting at all. He is suggesting that young riders compete against each other in an organised way on suitably sized machinery. Such schemes are long overdue. The rest of the advanced speedway world has organised many racing opportunities in such a way for years. Unlike most other sports we do almost nothing. The proposed development should extend to all teams in the upper echelons being required to use a quota of British riders in their declared teams increasing this as the throughput of young riders takes place. Our failure to introduce such measures has left us well behind in world speedway and I laud teams like Rye House who are predominantly British. Malcolm Vasey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 As matter of interest Malcolm how many riders of 16 yeaers old will you be including at Stoke this coming season ? Genuine question, as I have no idea of your team for 2012. However I would expect it to be crammed full of young British talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Well I see your point but surely you must agree that there must be a cut-off point younger than which one can't compete against adults..? 12 year olds going into races featuring also a 30 year old..? I really don't think it would be anyone's interest for something like that to be permissable... I agree, as Malcolm pointed out I was suggesting staggered age groups competing against each other on appropriate levels of equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I have always agreed with Malcolms thoughts on this subject,,however there does not seem to be the will to support these proposals by those with the ability ,,financially and otherwise to carry it through,,Real shame really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 As matter of interest Malcolm how many riders of 16 yeaers old will you be including at Stoke this coming season ? Genuine question, as I have no idea of your team for 2012. However I would expect it to be crammed full of young British talent. Well we will have 3 riders with averages withiin a whisker of 3.00 points. One of those will be Ben Reade and it is our intention to provide an opportunity for an array of three point riders to take part in one of our Amateur Meetings and then we can make a choice based on actual experience and knowledge. We have not planned a date for this yet because of the volume of rain that has left the track underwater but work is ongoing to remove that now and we will soon start issuing invitations. Any rider interested in this event is invited to contact us. (07768 073284) You will appreciate that as a stand alone club we wish to perform well on track for our loyal supporters. That is why we have named an outstanding squad of riders so far but we also wish to develop riders for the future at Stoke and for speedway in general and that is the reasoning that underpins our approach. We wish to secure the best available and they will be encouraged to use the practice opportunities available Loomer Road throughout the season to build on their skill set and ability levels. We may also enhance these opportunities with workshops on machine maintenance and other aspects of the sport. We take these issues very seriously at Stoke and the sort of opportunities we will offer will compare well with those available elsewhere. In Tony Atkin we have one of the best Captains I have ever met in speedway and he assumes so adequately the role of rider/coach for us. We can also call upon the experience of Nigel Crabtree most home matches and Nigel is without peer in putting across technical info and aligning that to riding skills. Similarly, Dave Tattum our Promoter has a lot of experience in training schools and such like. We also plan to participate in the Midland League and that will offer opportunities to one member of our team and to riders just outside the team squad looking to the future. I hope this demonstrates that at Stoke we are trying to be competitive and yet provide opportunities for inexperienced riders. Malcolm Vasey. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Great to see that Stoke are joining the Midlands league and there are not many people who have done more that Malcolm over the years for the younger riders. Let's hope more and more clubs join the Midlands League and we see young British riders progress from the Midlands League, to National League, and Elite League. At the moment this looks like a pipe dream but who knows. Back to Mildenhall let's hope the last two riders fit this criteria, young, British and on their way to long careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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