TMW Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 So you found the racing entertaining last season and were quite happy to pay to see it but want some unknown Polecat or Scandie to be included to add to the value? I've allways found the racing to be good at Mildenhall in the 3rd division and don't see how binging in random foriegners would improve it. Maybe if they went Elite League and brought in some top riders it would make the racing better but then you would be paying 16/17 quid to get in. Possibly hit the nail on the head there. People want to see EL standard riders at NL prices. I say let anyone into the NL and before you know it there will be no NL or a NL of stand alone clubs only which may not include Mildenhall as has already been said on here it is Ipswiches 'little brother'. I don;t imagine Cameron is on £10 a point plus all the X's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Cameron Heeps improved it no question. He also put extra bums on seats. And he met the requirments for racing in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 A slight reality check on this thread is needed I think and then move on. Cameron Heeps is believed by some to have ridden illegally in the Fen tigers. This has nothing to do with what foreign riders may or may not contribute to the league that is a different argument. Did this put Mildenhall at an advantage?. Jayne has stated she was told his mother has a British Passport, so no. I think that closes the argument. Unless Mrs Heeps comes on here and states her citizenship status then you will never know if this is true or not as the BSPA will not be able to disclose this information as it wil probably subject to privacy Foreign riders on false averages, foreign riders in the league are a different argument altogether and should be discussed on a different thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Cameron Heeps improved it no question. He also put extra bums on seats. Not just at West Row either. I bet he alone swelled the numbers at just about every track he visited this year with supporters keen to take a look at what all the fuss is about and they wouldn't have been disappointed either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) May be helpful? http://www.buryfreep...e_joy_1_2805129 Edited January 1, 2012 by CardinalSin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 So you found the racing entertaining last season and were quite happy to pay to see it but want some unknown Polecat or Scandie to be included to add to the value? I've allways found the racing to be good at Mildenhall in the 3rd division and don't see how binging in random foriegners would improve it. Maybe if they went Elite League and brought in some top riders it would make the racing better but then you would be paying 16/17 quid to get in. You are wasting your time replying to postie with intelligent posts. He reminds me of one of the Ewoks from Star Wars. Do you remember the noises they used to make? Thats about as much sense as he makes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 May be helpful? http://www.buryfreep...e_joy_1_2805129 Nope. They say he had a settlement visa, which covers people who have lived in the UK for a number of years, and want to make it permanent. To get an ancestry visa (based on patriality) you need to be 17. That is the only visa that covers patriality.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Then why does Heeps' mother say "The BSPA wanted proof that it covered patriality and when they got that we got the okay."? She seems to say that they proved he had patriality and that gave them the ok from the BSPA. Written small so that I can't dispute it (Yes, that was a joke!) No idea. I tend not to believe everything I read. To try and claim that one visa covers something else is ridiculous! Especially when it seems that it's the wrong visa to begin with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Written small so that I can't dispute it (Yes, that was a joke!) I know what you mean thats why i deleted the post. What on earth is going on with these font sizes Edited January 2, 2012 by CardinalSin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Well I have no objection to these riders including Cameron but I think he should not have ridden at reserve and that's my point and the same for anyone who has experience elsewhere British or not. Malcolm Vasey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Well I have no objection to these riders including Cameron but I think he should not have ridden at reserve and that's my point and the same for anyone who has experience elsewhere British or not. Malcolm Vasey While I agree in principle, I personally don't care which rider is riding where. All I want is to be entertained and whatever rules are put in place,good or bad, are followed consistently. Oh,and Stoke to win the title please ;] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Is there a realistic chance that Cam will be riding for Mildenhall this year?. Would love to see him ride again, although much prefer to see him in the Premier at Leicester where he would be riding against riders of similar standard than at NL where he seems to finish way in front of most riders. Love watching speedway but enjoy most when you have four evenly match riders on the track. Looks like Mildenhall are putting together a decent side again and look forward to their return to Stoke. Roll on the season. O and I agree with Malc on that previous experience should be taken into account when handing out averages, after all it supposed to represent their potential of scoring in a match. I know all teams have at one time or another had a rider in their team on a "false" average but don't make it right. Edited January 2, 2012 by Steeplejack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 amazing that in this NL forum, Mildenhall top the charts with most replys and interest, great to see the interest in the Fen Tigers ! roll on the new season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Well I have no objection to these riders including Cameron but I think he should not have ridden at reserve and that's my point and the same for anyone who has experience elsewhere British or not Wasn't that why riders who had patriality started on a 6 before the rules were changed? I think what HT was saying is that it was bending the rules. I don't think anyone questions what Cameron contributed to the league maybe the rules should reflect that. The rules were changed, I believe, to only Brit riders in the NL. This is lads who hold british nationality whether that be by birth (Woffenden)or parental entiltlemt ( Morris - Brandford). Maybe the rules should be changed back to Brits and Patriality. Also If you assess Commonwealth riders and european riders on previuos experience shoud you not also assess riders who come from a different disciplin like MX ,as they have vast track and racing experience and has been proved just need to do a quick conversion course to the speedway track (Worralls and Birks). That doesnt't even touch the seemingly dubious practice of riders deliberatley underperforming to manipulate and average to fit a certain team. Maybe the rules are too strict for the NL and I speak as somebody who has a vested interest in NL for Brits only but it would put a stop to all these question marks and seemingly backroom dealings. Put criteria in place and as has been proven with Heeps people will find someway of meeting it. I think the main question that needs to be asked is was it fair to all the other teams who did compete fair and square not least stoke and they ended top of the league. [quote name=Damon' timestam p='1325500264' post='2063433] amazing that in this NL forum, Mildenhall top the charts with most replys and interest, great to see the interest in the Fen Tigers ! roll on the new season. Don't think it is interest in the Fen tigers it's the ambiguaty of the inclusion of Cameron. It's actually a different thread that is being discussed. Edited January 2, 2012 by TMW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) but its all on the Mildenhall 2012 thread ? isnt it? perhaps it should be on its own thread ? Edited January 2, 2012 by Damon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 but its all on the Mildenhall 2012 thread ? isnt it? perhaps it should be on its own thread ? Perhaps it should. The topic being discussed here isnt aimed at Mildenhall, but still warrants discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 For goodness sake give it a rest about Cameron Heeps, its got very very boring 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Is there a realistic chance that Cam will be riding for Mildenhall this year?. Would love to see him ride again, although much prefer to see him in the Premier at Leicester where he would be riding against riders of similar standard than at NL where he seems to finish way in front of most riders. . He's signed up for Ipswich in that division hasn't he..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendpostie Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 You are wasting your time replying to postie with intelligent posts. He reminds me of one of the Ewoks from Star Wars. Do you remember the noises they used to make? Thats about as much sense as he makes! RT, are you now resorting to personal abuse as you have run out of arguments, I thought you were better than that. So you found the racing entertaining last season and were quite happy to pay to see it but want some unknown Polecat or Scandie to be included to add to the value? I've allways found the racing to be good at Mildenhall in the 3rd division and don't see how binging in random foriegners would improve it. Maybe if they went Elite League and brought in some top riders it would make the racing better but then you would be paying 16/17 quid to get in. Thats not what I said at all and you know it ! What I said is they should be allowed to ride in the NL subject to the same conditions as the British Riders, this to stop all this bickering, then its down to promotors to sort the chaff from the wheat, I'm looking for quality riders regardless of nationality. And who mentioned the EL ?, Kings Lynn is closer to me than Mildenhall , if I wanted to do that then I'd go there. Anyway its back to work tomorrow, so its back to real arguments with management about things that really matter ( the office revision ! ), but the banter's been fun this week, so have a good 2012 speedway season everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Great result in South London today Postie. The one thing you and I always agree on Malcolm Vasey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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