Mildenhall 2012

[2ndbendpostie]

i don't disagree with your sentiments one bit. However, a level playing ground for all wouldn't go amiss.

 

So will the NL AGM in January agree such simple obvious rules for season 2012 ?

[berniev123]

I supose the thing is the way he came in was always going to raise an eyebrow or 2 as Branford and Morris didn't seem to have the same 'issues' and Alex Davies did. Lets hope a new controversy raises it's ugly head and this one will become tomorrows chip paper . Maybe they should revert to the old rule where patriality allowed you into the NL on 6 points. It would save all this

 

Rob Branford has patriality and has pinned his flag to the UK from what I understand from an edition of the Speedway Star.

Nick Morris' dad is from Netherton....................just up the road from Dudley Wood Stadium (Cradley Heath Heathens land which some will say is foreign....I have beeen a Heathens fan for decades!).

I always thought that when Dudley was declared as opening at Monmore Wood just after Nick signed for Glasgow and then Buxton was a pity as it stopped Nick doing his dads' dream......him being a Heathen! So he has patriality.

 

That is what I am led to believe around the Black Country anyway.

 

Wished I had never answered the post saying that Cameron should be on a reduced average now. As I said earlier "a steal on 12 points" as he is brilliant and we could have done with him at #7 last season at Dudley

[villiers210]

So will the NL AGM in January agree such simple obvious rules for season 2012 ?

I think we all reaised a long time ago that the words "BSPA" "simple" and "obvious" do not belong in the same sentence.

[WIE-JA]

Simple answer, all riders from wherever in the world are eligiible, why favour the Brits ?, if they are not better than the foreigners then they should bloody well put the effort in, if Aussie riders are keen enough to travel thousands of miles to further there carreers then bloody good luck to them. Motor racing doesnt penalise foreigners, cricket doesnt, football doesnt, normal everyday working lives doesnt, so why the hell does speedway think its any different.

 

Do we remember riders like Reg Trott and Billy Bales at Norwich Stars, as good a riders as they were ?, no we remember Ove Fundin and Olle Nygren, foreign riders have kept British speedway interesting for years its nothing new.

 

The Brits are favoured in this League as it was originaly set up to give young British riders a chance to develop their skills. Otherwise why bother with league at all? Why bother spending money on 2nd halfs when the money could be saved and used to bring Scandinavians over who are a ready made product? Also I think the NL is classed as semi-professional so when it comes to foreign riders competing the Department for Work and Pensions get involved with work permits etc.

[2ndbendpostie]

The Brits are favoured in this League as it was originaly set up to give young British riders a chance to develop their skills. Otherwise why bother with league at all? Why bother spending money on 2nd halfs when the money could be saved and used to bring Scandinavians over who are a ready made product? Also I think the NL is classed as semi-professional so when it comes to foreign riders competing the Department for Work and Pensions get involved with work permits etc.

 

I view speedway as 2 hours entertainment on a Sunday afternoon, you probably view it much more seriously, but without my money and the money of many others who want entertainment, then I'm sorry you have to include the best riders available otherwise we spend our money elsewhere. Speedway is fun ,but its competing with many other places for our disposable income,if you want a league to develop youngsters thats fine, do it with 2nd halves not as a stand alone admission charging event.

[WIE-JA]

I view speedway as 2 hours entertainment on a Sunday afternoon, you probably view it much more seriously, but without my money and the money of many others who want entertainment, then I'm sorry you have to include the best riders available otherwise we spend our money elsewhere. Speedway is fun ,but its competing with many other places for our disposable income,if you want a league to develop youngsters thats fine, do it with 2nd halves not as a stand alone admission charging event.

 

Well go to Peterborough then. For unpredictable entertainment I'd rather see Baseby than Monberg.

[norwichkev]

Well go to Peterborough then. For unpredictable entertainment I'd rather see Baseby than Monberg.

Postie hits the nail on the head.

 

Argument will no doubt go back to stand a lone clubs vs rest etc, but interestingly the likes of Rye, Lynn etc are very poorly supported by the punters and not all of this can be down to paying for two teams. I suspect that were they to follow the Scunny route last season of a quality entertaing NL side then crowds would increase.

 

Kev

[TMW]

The thing is, the problem hasn't gone away, nor will it become tomorrows chip paper.The problem has just moved up a league that's all. My understanding is that Cameron starts as Ipwich reserve on a 3 point average in 2012. Deja Vu?

 

The only way that could happen is if Cameron's mother or father or both produced a birth cert. stating they are british. (Branfords mum is from Yorkshire). If that hasn't happened and Ipswich win the title on the back of Cameron having a good season then I would say that it is a pretty poor affair if Ipswich are prepared to raise the cup and take the acollade then they have to live with themselves. Let all teams have whoever they want, I say, then everyone is on a level playing field instead of what appears to have been implied here which is backroom dealings.

[teamracing]

Michael Lee, Chris Louis and Kevin Jolly, did remarkably well last year to make the Fen Tigers reach the Play-off's and win the KO Cup. They've laid the foundations for a perfect National League club to help progress the youth side of the sport, which use to be one of GB's strong points at so many tracks. But in recent years have slipped away. However the Mildenhall promotion have got the right idea in staying in the NL for this year and hopefully for many more season's as it produces much more exciting racing than Elite League and Premier League most weeks at West Row. A plus was that Mildenhall 6 British riders in there camp, which proves there is talent around and known of them had Premier League commitments, which kept a injury free for most of the season (apart from Cam getting injured) but this is the foundation that most clubs have lost in past years.

 

Now with next year I can see the team not changing much with: Danny, Lewis, Aaron and Joe staying. Now with whom they bring in is down to the promotion because so many of the away riders rode the West Row circuit well. So they have got some good boys to choose from. But for the reserve positions I’d like to see some of the academy riders get the 6 and 7 those, as it would progress their own careers. I mean look at the Scunthorpe line-up for next year so far it is riders from their winter series who've impressed them from the last series and this current one. So I’d like to see Trevor Heath, Niall Strudwick, Adam Portwood and Adam Kirby get rides in there, because they rode well against Milton Keynes in their only academy match, plus it wouldn't be a bad idea to enter the Midland League. At least they'd get regular rides and not just practise after the meetings.

Edited December 30, 2011 by teamracing

[norwichkev]

Michael Lee, Chris Louis and Kevin Jolly, did remarkabley well last year to make the Fen Tigers reach the Play-off's and win the KO Cup. They've layed the foundations for a perfect National League club to help progress the youth side of the sport, which use to be one of GB's strong point at so many tracks. But in recent years have sliped away. However the Mildenhall promotion have got the right idea in staying in the NL for this year and hopefully for many more season's as it produces much more exciting racing than Elite League and Premier League most weeks at West Row. A plus was that Mildenhall 6 British riders in there camp, which proves there is talent around and nown of them had Premier League commitments, which kept a injury free for most of the season (apart from Cam getting injuried) but this is the foundation that most clubs have lost in past years.

 

Now with next year i can see the team not changing much with: Danny, Lewis, Aaron and Joe staying. Now with who they bring in is down to the promotion because so many of the away riders rode the West Row circuit well. So they have got some good boys to choose from. But for the reserve positions i'd like to see some of the academy riders get the 6 and 7 those as it would progress their own careers. I mean look at the Scunthorpe line-up for next year so far it is riders from their winter series who've impressed them from the last series and this current one. So i'd like to see Trevor Heath, Niall Strudwick, Adam Portwood and Adam Kirby get rides in there, because they rode well against Milton Keynes in their only academy match, plus it wouldn't be a bad idea to enter the Midland League. At least they'd get regular rides and not just practise after the meetings.

You pays your money you takes your choice - but it's not for me. Think it's not right for either the riders or Mildenhall.

 

What Scunny do is down to them, hopefully we wont here whingeing from supporters, crowds down and threats to not run in 2013.

 

Your last point re: The Midland League is spot on IMO and the right way forwards, if you made that competitive then that could produce a Number 8.

 

Kev

[2ndbendpostie]

Well go to Peterborough then. For unpredictable entertainment I'd rather see Baseby than Monberg.

 

The last time I checked they do not ride on Sunday afternoons. But thanks for such a constructive reply.

[Halifaxtiger]

Simple answer, all riders from wherever in the world are eligiible, why favour the Brits ?, if they are not better than the foreigners then they should bloody well put the effort in, if Aussie riders are keen enough to travel thousands of miles to further there carreers then bloody good luck to them. Motor racing doesnt penalise foreigners, cricket doesnt, football doesnt, normal everyday working lives doesnt, so why the hell does speedway think its any different.

 

Do we remember riders like Reg Trott and Billy Bales at Norwich Stars, as good a riders as they were ?, no we remember Ove Fundin and Olle Nygren, foreign riders have kept British speedway interesting for years its nothing new.

 

I agree and disagree, Postie. The National League's actual title is the National Development League, so if a club is not prepared to be part of the development of British youngsters they shouldn't be in that league. Having said that, the stand alone clubs have every right to make their teams as attractive as possible for the sake of survival.

 

It is, as my friend Mr Allitt has said on occasion, a matter of accommodation and compromise between the two different types of clubs that ride in the NL.

 

I maintain, however, that having one foreigner in each team (and it doesn't matter where he is from) will provide additional colour and will not damage the prospects of our youngsters - Cameron Heeps being the obvious example.

 

Agree 100% Nikko, time to move on i'd think.

 

 

The problem is Phil is that if we forget about it and move on we brush aside the obvious corruption of the BSPA.

 

While I really don't think anything will change (as Nikko said, turkeys don't vote for Xmas) I equally do not believe that as supporters we should merely accept the situation as it is.

 

I am sure that many of us find certain parts of the legislation that applies to teams unacceptable, but that is nothing compared to those rules being applied to one but not the other for the sake of an individual promoters selfish wishes.

The thing is, the problem hasn't gone away, nor will it become tomorrows chip paper.The problem has just moved up a league that's all. My understanding is that Cameron starts as Ipwich reserve on a 3 point average in 2012. Deja Vu?

 

Quite

 

What has to be clearly understood is that the situation with Heeps isn't the problem, its an example of the problem.

 

If this is dropped or ignored by fans, sooner or later there will be similar situation elsewhere.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Halifaxtiger

[Damon]

not bad for a thread that had gone quiet, i mention Heeps average and we get over 30 posts!

 

It was only a tongue in cheek comment, but it actually would help Mildenhall if we could get his average reduced to around 8

[roguetrader]

The last time I checked they do not ride on Sunday afternoons. But thanks for such a constructive reply.

About as constructive as your posts today. Thankfully nobody will take any notice of your selfish tripe and Mildenhall will continue to succeed with what is a great little product developing British youth. Im sure they wouldnt miss you.

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

I view speedway as 2 hours entertainment on a Sunday afternoon, you probably view it much more seriously, but without my money and the money of many others who want entertainment, then I'm sorry you have to include the best riders available otherwise we spend our money elsewhere. Speedway is fun ,but its competing with many other places for our disposable income,if you want a league to develop youngsters thats fine, do it with 2nd halves not as a stand alone admission charging event.

 

I agree with this.

I despaired last year at how much bandwidth on this Forum and column inches in the Speedway Star was spent on arguments about team compositions and the finer detail of how team building could or couldn't be interpreted. Back in the days of Rider Control (far more controversial as a concept..) riders were moved on [like Mauger to Exeter for eg] there was a little bit of gnashing of teeth and then everyone got on with it... Now it's all that seems to bother some people.

We need to settle back and enjoy the sport for what it is and to have a young talent like Cameron gracing our tracks has surely only to be a good thing...

[2ndbendpostie]

About as constructive as your posts today. Thankfully nobody will take any notice of your selfish tripe and Mildenhall will continue to succeed with what is a great little product developing British youth. Im sure they wouldnt miss you.

So pleased you are now giving Mildenhall some credit, I seem to recall last season you could'nt manage that very well at all. And may I wish you a happy new year as well !

As for nobody taking notice I seem to have had quite a few agreeing with me. And unlike you I am happy for people to have different opinions without resorting to insulting the poster.

[Nikko]

Just to clarify one point there could have been Midland Amateur League speedway at West Row last season as the Nikko Racing Ninjas would have joined the league and run after some Fen Tigers meetings.

 

I registered interest with the Lapworths who ran the league and it was at the last minute that the Mildenhall promotion decided that any 2nd half team would have to be a Fen Tigers team and they wanted to concentrate on the Academy instead.

 

Although very disappointed, I fully respected their decision, and I am sure Shane Henry will be looking to run 2nd halves again next season and hopefully a Mildenhall team will be in the Midlands league, or something similar soon.

 

My plan was to run the Ninjas in the Midlands league and against other East Anglian teams.

 

I offered to bring a Ninjas team to West Row many times last season, we have are own fully sponsored race jackets and I would be more than happy to bring them in 2012

Edited December 30, 2011 by Nikko

[TMW]

Michael Lee, Chris Louis and Kevin Jolly, did remarkably well last year to make the Fen Tigers reach the Play-off's and win the KO Cup. They've laid the foundations for a perfect National League club to help progress the youth side of the sport, which use to be one of GB's strong points at so many tracks. But in recent years have slipped away. However the Mildenhall promotion have got the right idea in staying in the NL for this year and hopefully for many more season's as it produces much more exciting racing than Elite League and Premier League most weeks at West Row. A plus was that Mildenhall 6 British riders in there camp, which proves there is talent around and known of them had Premier League commitments, which kept a injury free for most of the season (apart from Cam getting injured) but this is the foundation that most clubs have lost in past years.

 

Now with next year I can see the team not changing much with: Danny, Lewis, Aaron and Joe staying. Now with whom they bring in is down to the promotion because so many of the away riders rode the West Row circuit well. So they have got some good boys to choose from. But for the reserve positions I’d like to see some of the academy riders get the 6 and 7 those, as it would progress their own careers. I mean look at the Scunthorpe line-up for next year so far it is riders from their winter series who've impressed them from the last series and this current one. So I’d like to see Trevor Heath, Niall Strudwick, Adam Portwood and Adam Kirby get rides in there, because they rode well against Milton Keynes in their only academy match, plus it wouldn't be a bad idea to enter the Midland League. At least they'd get regular rides and not just practise after the meetings.

 

Ament to that.!!!!!! Just hope there aren't any scouts out in oz preparing to supply another Heeps

[roguetrader]

So pleased you are now giving Mildenhall some credit, I seem to recall last season you could'nt manage that very well at all. And may I wish you a happy new year as well !

As for nobody taking notice I seem to have had quite a few agreeing with me. And unlike you I am happy for people to have different opinions without resorting to insulting the poster.

 

So just so I have got this right you believe any rider from any country should be able to ride in the National League to fulfil your Sunday afternoon entertainment. You are quite happy for our British riders to be left on the sidelines and you would like this to be agreed at the AGM!

[frostylion]

when Ipswich dropped down from the EL,The promotion blamed lack of money ,now the same promotion are blaming lack of money,due to other costs,for not doing the training scheme which they said all along they would do,well when they brought over young Heeps,the promotion said they had invested alot in him with flights,accomodation and bikes etx,who paid this,the Witches or the Tigers????