Ghostwalker Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) Looks like Peter Llung is now a GP rider. Peter Ljung actually entered the qualification and managed to ride himself into the Grand Prix Challenge at Vetlanda. There he finished 6th which is more then you can say about the regular charity cases of Harris and Lindgren. That means he is more worthy of his place then beggars Harris and Lindgren which are the real laughing stock as they constantly fails to qualify on their own. Edited November 18, 2011 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Its easier to finish in the best 8 riders in the world than it is to get through qualifiers with next to no GP riders? Yes it's obviously 'easier' to have to finish in the top 11 of 15 then it is to go through a series of qualifiers... It's taken as read that one's of a particular standard in the GP so one's not in general going to out of one's depth.. Though equally there's always at least two riders with very little chance of competing at the necessary level making keeping out of the bottom four (which is all one in reality needs to do..) all the more 'easier'.. Bryn has summed it up completely. People can defend the GP system and that's their right but it's unquestionable that others (and you don't get in fandom more senior and respected than the sainted Mr. Williams..! ) are going to question the facts about riders being selected and then the way in which the status quo is constantly maintained as opposed to alternative systems which don't have those things inherent within them.. Think FA Cup (I'm sure Bryn must've seen his footballing hero Sam Bartram in the old Third Round tie!! ): suppose the Cup Finalists from one year were seeded directly to the semis of the next year..! It's the equivalent of that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Isn't Protasiewicz a prime example of it being easier to qualify through the GP qualis than it is to get into the top 8 or 10?Walasek,Ulamek also maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 suppose the Cup Finalists from one year were seeded directly to the semis of the next year..! At the risk of you accusing me of making bizarre claims again, the FA Cup winners were indeed seeded to the Final the following year in the early years of the competition. Hence the name 'Challenge Cup'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 At the risk of you accusing me of making bizarre claims again, the FA Cup winners were indeed seeded to the Final the following year in the early years of the competition. Hence the name 'Challenge Cup'. Er, yes I know but tell us Humph after how long did they ditch this idea...: one which favoured Snaresbrook's finest, the Wanderers..?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 (edited) Yes, what speedway needs is a GP on a beach in St. Lucia, riders coming in after two laps to change tyres and Katie Price juggling her wangers at the camera. One thing is for sure, it proves beyond doubt that Formula 1 is the dullest racing sport in the world. Totally agree,F1 is a bit of a joke,same drivers finishing around the same places,most teams no chance of winning,rules are not great either,what's all that about having to use all the tyres? I flicked through last weeks where Webber was around 3rd but had to come in on the last lap and change tyres as he hadn't used them??,Super Mario Cart steering wheels with a button for Kers for extra speed,and another to open a flap to pass,but only if you're within a second? Nearly as bad as Speedway! Edited November 19, 2011 by Gearhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Think FA Cup (I'm sure Bryn must've seen his footballing hero Sam Bartram in the old Third Round tie!! ): suppose the Cup Finalists from one year were seeded directly to the semis of the next year..! It's the equivalent of that!! actually, its more like the top 17 in the premiership competing in the premiership the following season... imagine that, how ridiculous would that be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 actually, its more like the top 17 in the premiership competing in the premiership the following season... imagine that, how ridiculous would that be Haha! What a joke sport. A sport that operates with ridiculous rules like that will never catch on with the public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 actually, its more like the top 17 in the premiership competing in the premiership the following season... imagine that, how ridiculous would that be Well it's not though is it, because proper World Championships or similar major championships like the FIFA World Cup, the World Athletics championships, the Olympics, Wimbledon Tennis etc. are based around qualification and then in progress, are KNOCK-OUT.. This is what the World Speedway Championship USED to be like... Now it's not; and you're correct in your allusion, it's become more like a league and one in which there's limited relegation. Fine if you're happy with that of course, but at least acknowledge that there's been a massive change and that for some it's NOT been a change for the better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Well it's not though is it, because proper World Championships or similar major championships like the FIFA World Cup, the World Athletics championships, the Olympics, Wimbledon Tennis etc. are based around qualification and then in progress, are KNOCK-OUT.. This is what the World Speedway Championship USED to be like... Now it's not; and you're correct in your allusion, it's become more like a league and one in which there's limited relegation.Fine if you're happy with that of course, but at least acknowledge that there's been a massive change and that for some it's NOT been a change for the better... ..........AND limited PARTICIPATION. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Well it's not though is it, because proper World Championships or similar major championships like the FIFA World Cup, the World Athletics championships, the Olympics, Wimbledon Tennis etc. are based around qualification and then in progress, are KNOCK-OUT.. This is what the World Speedway Championship USED to be like... Now it's not; and you're correct in your allusion, it's become more like a league and one in which there's limited relegation. Fine if you're happy with that of course, but at least acknowledge that there's been a massive change and that for some it's NOT been a change for the better... I thought that at Wimbledon there were wildcards ? i also thought that the host in the Football world cup went into the finals without playing a game ? or have those rules changed ? When do the F1 qualification rounds start ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 When do the F1 qualification rounds start ? About the same time as the MotoGP, World Superbikes/supersport, Euro F3, World Rally Championship, World Touring Cars, Motocross, Trials etc start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 There is no doubt that many young riders are attracted to speedway because of the SGP, they aspire to race on big occasions in big stadiums and on television around the world. But there is a doubt, Mr. Rising, there is !!. Just look at Darcy Ward. He is young, he is aspiring...but he doesn't want to ride in SGP. And there are many more like him. In the present format SGP is a 'dead duck'. The future lies with European Speedway League, and the World Cup like the Daily Mirror Championship back in the 70's. As far as individual World Championship is concerned let's go back to proven formula on one day World Final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I have said before and will do so again ... there is a paucity of young talent right now but give it a couple of years and there will be plenty of young riders with Grand Prix aspirations. Peter Ljung may not be a potential World Champion but fair play to the guy. Like Zetterstrom before him, he sees participation in the Grand Prix as a genuine achievement and something that in later years he will be able to look back at with pride. Hopefully the situation when Polish clubs can effectively blackmail riders into having to choose between racing for a particular team or the Grand Prix will soon be resolved, perhaps as early as Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Is this because you don't have a local team to support, if you felt an affiliation with a team then you'd probably feel different ...... Perhaps :-) But when you allow yourself to look at it objectively then you must realize that speedway is an INDIVIDUAL sport. It is like running, jumping, throwing, boxing, etc. One individual against another, sometimes more than another. Teams have been created later. Not only in speedway, but also athletics...and even boxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Hopefully the situation when Polish clubs can effectively blackmail riders into having to choose between racing for a particular team or the Grand Prix will soon be resolved, perhaps as early as Monday. Go on, tell us more. What's going to happen on Monday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Go on, tell us more. What's going to happen on Monday? WAIT and see. And, for the record, Darcy Ward never said he didn't want to ride in the Grand Prix. On the contrary, but he did say that he felt it would perhaps be better to wait a year given that he had age on his side and had seen at first hand how much work off the track he needed to do beforehand. And, of course, there was the ultimatum from Torun. You will also have noted that many other riders have elected to change clubs in Poland rather than withdraw from the SGP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 AND the pressure he was put under by Torun. What pressure, Mr Rising ? You like keeping us in suspense, don't you? I repeat again, what pressure he was put under by Torun? If there was any pressure, then - in my opinion - that pressure arose from the fact that he had a choice. To ride for Torun, or to ride for BSI/IMG. Personally speaking - he made the right decision. Perhaps the BSI/IMG will finally wake up and rejuvenate the whole system and pay decent wages to riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I thought that at Wimbledon there were wildcards ? i also thought that the host in the Football world cup went into the finals without playing a game ? or have those rules changed ? Yes and the old Word Final guaranteed home representation too... But none of these nit-picking and entirely obvious points are actually a DEFENCE of the system used in the SGPs which as I say you can like as much as you want, but is clearly deeply flawed from the purity of a proper World Championship point of view... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Yes and the old Word Final guaranteed home representation too... But none of these nit-picking and entirely obvious points are actually a DEFENCE of the system used in the SGPs which as I say you can like as much as you want, but is clearly deeply flawed from the purity of a proper World Championship point of view... No you choose to used other sports as an example as how they are true world championship events in your eyes, as i have show you that is not the case . Not sure how they were obvious when you missed them out when trying to make your example ..the bottom line if you look closely at any sport the you will find it deeply flawed as a proper world championship just like the one off World Final was . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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