jhproductions Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Could the answer not lie in the simple idea of just limiting the league to one meeting a week? i.e. Each team keep their designated race night, but only ride one meeting per week, ala Sweden/Poland. That way the top boys might feel the need to come back if they know they are only doing one meeting over here per week. Just a thought. I do understand it's a numbers game and most tracks need the current amount of meetings, but I think this could work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 So, up to 5 wildcards per GP ! Riders prefer lucrative league bookings over GPs Time to isolate the GP from the World Championship, and bring back a proper, one-off, World Championship event each season No reason why we can't have a World Champion alongside the GP Champion - is there ? I agree I would scrap the GP series it has gone staler by the year anyway and imo has turned into a borefest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I agree I would scrap the GP series it has gone staler by the year anyway and imo has turned into a borefest. I Totally agree,is there many people on hear that agree with you?i think it has nearly run its course if it is to survive and prosper it defenitely needs a revamp.Parsloes was crucified on here about the status quo but he is right.I hate it that are league speedway is aloud to suffer and been aloud to go to the dogs.This illusion that gpseries is brilliant ive never thought this and speedway hasnt proggresed as WHOLE because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I Totally agree,is there many people on hear that agree with you?i think it has nearly run its course if it is to survive and prosper it defenitely needs a revamp.Parsloes was crucified on here about the status quo but he is right.I hate it that are league speedway is aloud to suffer and been aloud to go to the dogs.This illusion that gpseries is brilliant ive never thought this and speedway hasnt proggresed as WHOLE because of it. Well don't watch it then. I enjoy it and on nights when the GPs don't clash with other fixtures at Leicester there is usually a few of us watching it on my TV. Some of my mates watch it when they are at MX events in their motorhomes. It is a very popular series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 how come then the Swedish league have decent crowds on Tuesdays (Elitserien) and Thursdays (Allsvenskan)? If the teams in Allsvenskan can get 1000-1500 people on a regular series meeting on a Thursday, shouldn't the British leagues also be able to get good crowds on weekdays? Because it's what they've always done? The Swedish league has run on Tuesdays for years, mainly because it was the only day you could get the top riders that rode in the British League. Poland rode Sundays because that's the traditional day-off in a Communist economy. British racenights have always been about availability - I doubt there's a single track that wouldn't run Friday or Saturday night, given the option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) how come then the Swedish league have decent crowds on Tuesdays (Elitserien) and Thursdays (Allsvenskan)? If the teams in Allsvenskan can get 1000-1500 people on a regular series meeting on a Thursday, shouldn't the British leagues also be able to get good crowds on weekdays? Could be all sorts of reasons. Long summer nights, shorter working hours, fewer competing sports in the vicinity of the tracks, easier to reach the tracks (try driving on congested British roads during the week), cheaper prices, and so on and so forth... Edited November 6, 2011 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Rebel Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I'm sure if you have an idle moment this Northern Winter you can look up each club on the internet and add them all up, but the main bike venues run every fortnight through 'til end of March. Don't forget some tracks, like The Alice, run mixed meetings with Solos, Sidecars and Four-wheeled classes as well. I'll be doing about eight or nine meetings including Auckland GP, Senior, Under-21 and Junior OzChamps plus Longtrack and the final of the Sidecars Grand Slam; venturing out, armed only with several jars of highly volatile home-made Mango Chutney, from my Fortress of Ineptitude in the Northern Territory to invade SE OZ & UnZud! Just out of curiosity, Cockney Rebel, how close is your nearest bikes-only track? Mine's 3000km away. I'm not sure of the relevance of your question but my nearest track now is Sheffield about 35miles. Unfortunately due to ill health I have onley attended 1 meeting there in the two years I have lived here. My previous team Rye House was about 40 miles from where I lived but both Lakeside and Ipswich were nearer. My question re the number of meetings was not meant to be a dig or sarcastic. More trying to get an insight as to why most Aussies it seems prefer individual meetings to team events. As you must know most tracks in this country run about 30 meetings a year. 30 individual meeting a year would drive me mad but eight or nine I could live with if there was no alternative. I guess it the size of the countries that dictates things. I would hate to think what a local derby would be down there. Also with so few meetings compared to this country how the hell do you produce so many good young riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I Totally agree,is there many people on hear that agree with you?i think it has nearly run its course if it is to survive and prosper it defenitely needs a revamp.Parsloes was crucified on here about the status quo but he is right.I hate it that are league speedway is aloud to suffer and been aloud to go to the dogs.This illusion that gpseries is brilliant ive never thought this and speedway hasnt proggresed as WHOLE because of it. The fact that league speedway is in such a state in the UK is down to the BSPA and no one else. The run-down stadia, lack of promotion and selling of the sport, rules that come in and are changed 12 months later, watering down of the overall league standard..can any of this be pinned at BSI?? BSI has had the balls to bring speedway back to large big city venues (Ullevi, Parken, Cardiff). Apart from the hugely anticipated National Speedway Stadium in Manchester which fingers crossed will actually be built, can you name more than a handful of UK speedway stadiums that you would entertain corporate clients at? Poland and its league structure seems to survive and prosper and has seen considerable capital investment in new facilities. Can you explain to me where the GP series has stood in the way of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 The fact that league speedway is in such a state in the UK is down to the BSPA and no one else. The run-down stadia, lack of promotion and selling of the sport, rules that come in and are changed 12 months later, watering down of the overall league standard..can any of this be pinned at BSI?? BSI has had the balls to bring speedway back to large big city venues (Ullevi, Parken, Cardiff). Apart from the hugely anticipated National Speedway Stadium in Manchester which fingers crossed will actually be built, can you name more than a handful of UK speedway stadiums that you would entertain corporate clients at? Poland and its league structure seems to survive and prosper and has seen considerable capital investment in new facilities. Can you explain to me where the GP series has stood in the way of this? Great points,i agree totally about inept facillities poor stadia when the leagues were doing well the investment was not forth coming.Im not against the series i watch and enjoy some of it but league racing i prefer personally.Answers i dont say that i no really what they are for the long term.myself maybe look into a squad situation ie] then maybe the quality Crump, holta,jonsson, ect might race the odd night hear and there and raise the level again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 The fact that league speedway is in such a state in the UK is down to the BSPA and no one else. The run-down stadia, lack of promotion and selling of the sport, rules that come in and are changed 12 months later, watering down of the overall league standard..can any of this be pinned at BSI?? BSI has had the balls to bring speedway back to large big city venues (Ullevi, Parken, Cardiff). Apart from the hugely anticipated National Speedway Stadium in Manchester which fingers crossed will actually be built, can you name more than a handful of UK speedway stadiums that you would entertain corporate clients at? Poland and its league structure seems to survive and prosper and has seen considerable capital investment in new facilities. Can you explain to me where the GP series has stood in the way of this? very good post and spot on.british speedway is dieing on its knees.british culture is always blame some one else or thing as reason.sgp is by no way perfect but is the way forward i believe, right or wrong. all this talk of running gp in week and so on will never happen. i take clients and they wouldnt go in week so what would be the point of being a sponsor ? i must admit poole is on my door step and i sponsored the club and many riders there in the past but i only go two or three times a year now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 i must admit poole is on my door step and i sponsored the club and many riders there in the past but i only go two or three times a year now. Why, because it's midweek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Why, because it's midweek? wife not interested, kids not interested, friends who use to be there most are not now, elite racing generally boring,not poole but visiting teams. lots of other things to do which are less expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I'm not sure of the relevance of your question but my nearest track now is Sheffield about 35miles. Unfortunately due to ill health I have onley attended 1 meeting there in the two years I have lived here. My previous team Rye House was about 40 miles from where I lived but both Lakeside and Ipswich were nearer. My question re the number of meetings was not meant to be a dig or sarcastic. More trying to get an insight as to why most Aussies it seems prefer individual meetings to team events. As you must know most tracks in this country run about 30 meetings a year. 30 individual meeting a year would drive me mad but eight or nine I could live with if there was no alternative. I guess it the size of the countries that dictates things. I would hate to think what a local derby would be down there. Also with so few meetings compared to this country how the hell do you produce so many good young riders. Fair call, CR; I'm just trying to give you some idea of exactly how vast Oz is - think Texas and multiply if a few times. We do have a State of Origin series in your summer, plus Marcus's lads and the odd 4TT, but apart from that it's Club nights, the State & Oz Titles and the one-offs, like the Jack Young Trophy. As you say, eight or nine meetings a year I can live with, but I and many other like-minded idiots will be clocking up a fair few miles to see them. As for the Juniors Production Line; I reckon it's all down to having Speedway-mad parents willing to drive their offspring the length & breadth of the country - last year's Under 16 125s at Sidewinders, a dedicated Juniors-only track in Adelaide featured riders from WA - Cam Heeps & Blake Russell - and Qld - Brandy Coglan from BUNDABERG!, plus Tyson Snow, Matty Day, Declan & Zaine Kennedy, Brody Eves and Ellis Perks, whose parents had to drive over 3000 kms, plus the more local boys from Northern NSW - a mere 1600km or so, including some of the most boring scenery on the planet - the Hay Plains if you're coming from the North or the Nullarbor from the West. That and something in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 wife not interested, kids not interested, friends who use to be there most are not now, elite racing generally boring,not poole but visiting teams. lots of other things to do which are less expensive Not particularly a speedway fan then? Much like the prawn sandwich brigade at football matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I Totally agree,is there many people on hear that agree with you?i think it has nearly run its course if it is to survive and prosper it defenitely needs a revamp.Parsloes was crucified on here about the status quo but he is right.I hate it that are league speedway is aloud to suffer and been aloud to go to the dogs.This illusion that gpseries is brilliant ive never thought this and speedway hasnt proggresed as WHOLE because of it. he was "crucified" as you put it because he was talking nonsense, for which on one particular point he apologised after being proved to be talking nonsense. The GP has improved speedway's image to the outside world and is the jewel in speedway's crown. The only problem the GP has is having too many critics who long for the good old days but they still enjoy watching it so it can't be as bad as they perceive it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 My biggest issue with the GP is that it is too many rounds featuring the same people. I'd cut it down to 5 or 6 GPs, and have a series of televised qualifiers. New contenders would emerge far more frequently than presently, and the whole thing stays fresh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 My biggest issue with the GP is that it is too many rounds featuring the same people. I wonder how F1 and MotoGP manage with the same competitors all season especially given that they have more rounds too. Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Not particularly a speedway fan then? Much like the prawn sandwich brigade at football matches. i love a prawn sandwich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I wonder how F1 and MotoGP manage with the same competitors all season especially given that they have more rounds too. Niamh Given that they're happy to have the same 4 people at the front every race I don't think they're bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The GP has improved speedway's image to the outside world and is the jewel in speedway's crown. The only problem the GP has is having too many critics who long for the good old days but they still enjoy watching it so it can't be as bad as they perceive it to be. Hmm, define "outside world"..?! Speedway barely exiss at all to the 'outside world'... Unlike when Briggo beat Geoff Hurst to second place in BBC Sports Personality of the year in of all years 1966 and ten years later PC's world final win was back page main headline news in the Daily Mirror Sure that IS ancient history but it's "nonsense" (your word not mine!) to somehow make out that the SGPs have placed Speedway higher up in the national consciousness..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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