Midland Red Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 So, up to 5 wildcards per GP ! Riders prefer lucrative league bookings over GPs Time to isolate the GP from the World Championship, and bring back a proper, one-off, World Championship event each season No reason why we can't have a World Champion alongside the GP Champion - is there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Time to isolate the GP from the World Championship, and bring back a proper, one-off, World Championship event each season No reason why we can't have a World Champion alongside the GP Champion - is there ? I agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 And anyone who turns down a wildcard should NEVER be offered another route into the GP without qualifying by right Choosing money over the chance to be world champion....................bizarre Hopefully this is the GP circus crumbling around us and as has been said we can get back to a proper world championship rather than a money making scheme for a company who take all the money out of the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 And anyone who turns down a wildcard should NEVER be offered another route into the GP without qualifying by right Choosing money over the chance to be world champion....................bizarre Hopefully this is the GP circus crumbling around us and as has been said we can get back to a proper world championship rather than a money making scheme for a company who take all the money out of the sport WHAT utter tosh. BSI/IMG pay a considerable sum of money to the FIM (putting money back into the sport) that they wouldn't otherwise have, SVEMO use their income from GPs to benefit youth speedway, likewise the DMU. We live in a commercial world. Do FIFA not make money out of the World Cup? Your argument should be about what happens to the money the FIM receive. We do have a proper World Championship but you just can't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 WHAT utter tosh. BSI/IMG pay a considerable sum of money to the FIM (putting money back into the sport) that they wouldn't otherwise have, SVEMO use their income from GPs to benefit youth speedway, likewise the DMU. We live in a commercial world. Do FIFA not make money out of the World Cup? Your argument should be about what happens to the money the FIM receive. We do have a proper World Championship but you just can't see it. Im afraid some people are stuck in the "good old days" and will never escape to see the light. The Grand Prix series is one of the few successes of our sport and anyone who wishes it to crumble is unwittingly wishing further decline of speedway as a professional sport. To return to a one day final would be financial and commercial suicide for the sport. Sadly, some people don't know a good thing when they see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Im afraid some people are stuck in the "good old days" and will never escape to see the light. The Grand Prix series is one of the few successes of our sport and anyone who wishes it to crumble is unwittingly wishing further decline of speedway as a professional sport. To return to a one day final would be financial and commercial suicide for the sport. Sadly, some people don't know a good thing when they see it. Sorry? What "success" has the GP series brought to speedway in England, Scotland and Wales? 30-40,000 crowds at the Millenium Stadium have not benefitted speedway in the Principality The other rounds of the series have seriously disrupted the domestic programme in the UK and probably taken away from the British paying public a number of "the better" riders who might otherwise have ridden over here in our league No, sorry, I don't buy this "GP series good for (British) speedway" at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 SVEMO use their income from GPs to benefit youth speedway, likewise the DMU. Can you confirm whether they apply to the FIM for the income? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) Sorry? What "success" has the GP series brought to speedway in England, Scotland and Wales? It put it back on the television? Making it more available to approximately a million people in the UK? Created sponsorship opportunities that wasn't there previously? Not one television broadcaster wanted to show speedway until the new era of the GP's came along. Edited October 28, 2011 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Choosing money over the chance to be world champion....................bizarre The thing is we'll never know if top riders would have deliberately dropped out of the one of world final qualifying rounds. Speedway was more financially rewarding back in the day of the one off final. These days I guess the prize money for a one off final would be peanuts compared to back then and perhaps not worth the machinery investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 It put it back on the television? Making it more available to approximately a million people in the UK? Created sponsorship opportunities that wasn't there previously? Not one television broadcaster wanted to show speedway until the new era of the GP's came along. SKY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) When are people going to understand - the current format is a money making machine for the BSI and they will never go back to the old style one off world final. Think about it - 12 rounds with a crowd at each. Compare that to 1 single round with 1 crowd and 1 set of sponsors. The money making potential of 12 different rounds is far superior and we must all know that each event has a different main sponsor (that goes on the fork covers of each rider). It doesn't make financial sense to cannibalise the current format and take it back to the tired format it used to be run in, and we must all admit that having it spread over the season keeps us all entertained and regardless of the current state of the SGP and Poland, it will still produce some (if maybe slightly second rate) quality racing. Events like Cardiff, Torun and Copenhagen (which are held in incredible stadia) wouldn't exist, and please don't tell me that qualifying rounds could be held there, that just wouldn't work. Making brash comments like 'put it back to what we used to have' simply don't fit with speedway any more. BSI have done an incredible job of bringing GP speedway into the modern world and none of us can dispute that. The fact of the matter is, the GP system itself is not the one to blame here, its league racing that is treading on it's toes that is the problem Edited October 28, 2011 by Dave_Minall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitram Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Can you confirm whether they apply to the FIM for the income? So,SVEMO use their GP money to put into their youth system hey? What happens to the British GP money? Fills up the Bentleys etc. for Gospeed and goes nowhere near british speedway I'll wager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 WHAT utter tosh. BSI/IMG pay a considerable sum of money to the FIM (putting money back into the sport) that they wouldn't otherwise have, SVEMO use their income from GPs to benefit youth speedway, likewise the DMU. We live in a commercial world. Do FIFA not make money out of the World Cup? Your argument should be about what happens to the money the FIM receive. We do have a proper World Championship but you just can't see it. Not like you to appear on a thread supporting the wonderful job BSI/IMG do for the sport Philip. Perish the thought people do not share your view. I am entitled to my view as you are without it being rubbished. No I am no GP fan, never have been and never will. The fact that its in such a mess now says it all for me, they seem to be struggling to persuade riders to take up a freebie gift to ride in it. I totally accept others views that the GP is wonderful, just wondering who its wonderful for. I do find it amazing how quick you are to defend the GP series on just about every thread that starts. As for the comparison of FIFA taking money out of the World Cup, yes of course they do, but BSI are not the governing body, they are a commercial organisation who take money out of the sport adn in my opinion couldn't give a t*ss about the sport or the fans, my opinion that's all IMO the FIM should be the ones making the money not some external organisation. Can you imagine FIFA allowing someone else to run the World Cup and keep a large slice of the proceeds. That is a far better comparison than the one you make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Choosing money over the chance to be world champion....................bizarre [sarcasm]Yeah, I mean who the hell would consider making a living and paying the rent/mortgage when they have a 99/1 chance (Unibet - Pepe) of succeeding where they've never threatened to before?![/sarcasm] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 [sarcasm]Yeah, I mean who the hell would consider making a living and paying the rent/mortgage when they have a 99/1 chance (Unibet - Pepe) of succeeding where they've never threatened to before?![/sarcasm] Yes it was of course sarcastic. Its just interesting the the GP is put so much ahead of UK league racing by so many riders because its the most important thing yet when there is a threat to their income its not quite so important I absolutely understand Pepe, he should probably feel annoyed that he spend a fortune competing in the qualifiers only to find it all wasted In fairness Poland are only doing what the UK done a couple of years ago and nobody pulled out of the GP then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Not like you to appear on a thread supporting the wonderful job BSI/IMG do for the sport Philip. Perish the thought people do not share your view. I am entitled to my view as you are without it being rubbished. No I am no GP fan, never have been and never will. The fact that its in such a mess now says it all for me, they seem to be struggling to persuade riders to take up a freebie gift to ride in it. I totally accept others views that the GP is wonderful, just wondering who its wonderful for. I do find it amazing how quick you are to defend the GP series on just about every thread that starts. As for the comparison of FIFA taking money out of the World Cup, yes of course they do, but BSI are not the governing body, they are a commercial organisation who take money out of the sport adn in my opinion couldn't give a t*ss about the sport or the fans, my opinion that's all IMO the FIM should be the ones making the money not some external organisation. Can you imagine FIFA allowing someone else to run the World Cup and keep a large slice of the proceeds. That is a far better comparison than the one you make Perhaps Mr Rising's publication benefits from increased sales after each GP round ! However, I doubt that that is the real reason for his support of the GP series But clearly there are factions outside of the sport who gain from the GP series and I do not see as a supporter of i) speedway and ii) my local team what success the GP series has brought to either Please tell me as I handover my cash at the turnstile and programme kiosk at my local track how the GP series benefits i) the club and ii) me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Please tell me as I handover my cash at the turnstile and programme kiosk at my local track how the GP series benefits i) the club and ii) me Would speedway still be around at it's current size if the GP's didn't attract the TV audience it does? The GP's have given speedway some incredible television exposure, which surely has some kind of effect on local gates? Perhaps your team could be dead and buried in the defunct section or you could be paying more for the privilege of watching your team with fewer friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Perhaps Mr Rising's publication benefits from increased sales after each GP round ! However, I doubt that that is the real reason for his support of the GP series But clearly there are factions outside of the sport who gain from the GP series and I do not see as a supporter of i) speedway and ii) my local team what success the GP series has brought to either Please tell me as I handover my cash at the turnstile and programme kiosk at my local track how the GP series benefits i) the club and ii) me SPEEDWAY Star's post-GP sales don't vary at all and as we add 16 pages to every edition the week after a GP (at a cost of around £1,600) it has no financial benefit. I am a fan of the GP because I think through originally John Postlethwaite and now IMG the level of professionalism and presentation puts speedway's premier event on a par with any other sporting occasion. It is impossible to equate some of the benefits of the SGP series right down to your local track but it is up to the BSPA and its members to do that. SVEMO use revenue gleaned from the SGP to filter down to invest at lower levels rather than reducing the cost of entry or the price of a programme which is what you appear to want. There is no doubt that many young riders are attracted to speedway because of the SGP, they aspire to race on big occasions in big stadiums and on television around the world. It is these riders who eventually put bums on seats and help provide the revenue at tracks everywhere. Sadly that may not be as true in Britain as it is in many other countries but you cannot blame the SGP for that. Of course IMG are in it to make money but they make huge investments in the SGP infrastructure and take a long term view which is something that was lacking in the past. I make no apology about canvassing for the SGP because I see it as something speedway can be proud of rather than embarrassed about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 SPEEDWAY Star's post-GP sales don't vary at all and as we add 16 pages to every edition the week after a GP (at a cost of around £1,600) it has no financial benefit. I am a fan of the GP because I think through originally John Postlethwaite and now IMG the level of professionalism and presentation puts speedway's premier event on a par with any other sporting occasion. It is impossible to equate some of the benefits of the SGP series right down to your local track but it is up to the BSPA and its members to do that. SVEMO use revenue gleaned from the SGP to filter down to invest at lower levels rather than reducing the cost of entry or the price of a programme which is what you appear to want. There is no doubt that many young riders are attracted to speedway because of the SGP, they aspire to race on big occasions in big stadiums and on television around the world. It is these riders who eventually put bums on seats and help provide the revenue at tracks everywhere. Sadly that may not be as true in Britain as it is in many other countries but you cannot blame the SGP for that. Of course IMG are in it to make money but they make huge investments in the SGP infrastructure and take a long term view which is something that was lacking in the past. I make no apology about canvassing for the SGP because I see it as something speedway can be proud of rather than embarrassed about. i think you mentioned the problem and the reason why nobody can see the benefits of money from the GP series like they can in sweden. The BSPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 I am a fan of the GP because I think through originally John Postlethwaite and now IMG the level of professionalism and presentation puts speedway's premier event on a par with any other sporting occasion. It is impossible to equate some of the benefits of the SGP series right down to your local track but it is up to the BSPA and its members to do that. I agree with you.My first speedway meeting after a gap of about 7 years was a GP at Vojens.I have seen a number of posts here over the years mentioning it was the GPs that attracted them(back).It really takes the sport onto a new level.All those against it and wanting the old one off World Final i doubt would go to anything more than the Final that Britian held once every few years.I doubt we will see them travelling to Terenzano,Güstrow or Balakovo for a quali meeting.But it seems a lot of GP supporters will travel to a number of GPs every year and most seem to try to fit in one or two other meetings in around the trip.That benefits the local tracks as well as the GP organisation.One or two tracks around the time of Cardiff will also benefit from that,as well as danish tracks or Polish tracks at the time of their GPs.Scrap the GPs and this will all end to a large extent as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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