Silver Bee Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Who was next in line at the GP challenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Who was next in line at the GP challenge? Martin Vaculik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Who was next in line at the GP challenge? Vaculik Kasprzak Ljung Madesen Ulamek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Speedway_Grand_Prix_Qualification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Will Protasciewicz not have actually agreed to this sort of clause when competing at Vetlanda in the Challenge Final? If he has, surely the FIM won't just allow him to pull out and then also allow him to ride in league racing in this way, will they? He may have but since then the PZM have changed their rules that seriously affects his occupation and income if he was to continue in the Grand Prix Series and as it is reported he has a contract at Zielona Gora until 2015 so he should also be entitled to honour that contract. As I've said previously, all riders have known about the 1 GP rider rule in Poland for 2012 since the start of the 2011 season. Riders that participated in the GP Qualifiers have themselves to blame and should be forced to ride the series or be sanctioned with an FIM fine / ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) As I've said previously, all riders have known about the 1 GP rider rule in Poland for 2012 since the start of the 2011 season. That had been my understanding as well. Looking up the FIM regulations that govern the GP and qualifiers (seee the FIM website) it makes matters very clear for riders who qualify for the next round of the championships. If you qualify for the next round you HAVE to ride. Only bonafine injury will be an excuse against participation in the next round. If you 'pull out' without such good cause the FIM have all the powers that they need to prevent you from riding that weekend anywhere in the world and also have the option of greater suspension. This is written down and clear to all. What is not clear at all is what options a rider is left with if he has qualified for the GP FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR from the qualifiers. There seems to be nothing in the written regulations that says whether the same principles apply. We all know that wild cards are totally different. Anyone, it seems, can turn those down with impunity. Edited October 27, 2011 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_D Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 I was always led to believe (certainly in the early years of SGP) that all the riders who were eligible for the following seasons series, had to return some sort of signed letter of intent by a certain date (Beginning of December i seem to remember) this was to allow time to source replacements and carry out marketing tasks well ahead of the following year. Also allowed the invited riders to decide if they can commit to SGP i.e. Darcy Ward. Therefore all riders who have not signed up still have the ability to pull out of 2012 SGP. If a rider has not signed up for 2012 by that given date, then i believe they can be replaced. Given Protasiewicz massive sponsorship pull, i would say that IMG would have liked him in the series, but ultimately he will be unlikely to be fighting of a top 3 finish so i can understand if he did pull out due to the silly Polish rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) I don't see it so dark as you.PePe isn't stupid.He knows just as well as you and i,that his chances of becoming World Champ or even finishing in the top 5(i could be cruel and say top 10)are about as much as my chances of running 100m in less than 10 seconds. There are always going to be riders who don't have a chance to win anything, but you need to have (at least) 16 riders in the field. If the choice comes down to earning a reasonable living or trailing around at the back of the GP field for a relative pittance, then I know what I'd choose. I always understood that the meeting regulations, signed by competing riders, for rounds of the world championship included a clause where the rider had to agree to take his place in the next round if he qualified (injuies permitting, obviously). I'm not sure that the SGP qualifiers and the SGP series itself are considered the same competition. Edited October 27, 2011 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 If Pepe pulls out then I assume Vaculik gets the next call. However, as Darcy is a nomination I guess the choice goes back to BSI/IMG as to who offer a chance to (imo should be Holta). Pepe withdrew when, as first reserve, he should have been covering the injured Emil's spot in 2010. One wonders why he bothers doing the qualifiers if he is not fully committed to take part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 If Vaculik is next in line won't this scupper Poole's team building plans for next season if he gets chosen as his average will suddenly become 8.00 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Take Jason Crump, who it was rumoured to be being paid £1,000 a point in 2011 - now suddenly his club can ask him to take a pay cut because there will be 5 riders looking for a new team place. If that's the case, another club will step up and pay him 1200 for a point. Only applies to Crump and Hancock though... Just read about this on a swedish websites that says (speculates) that Vaculik and Kasprzak will both say no and Ljung will ride in the GP next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisB Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Obvious solution - 2 wild cards per meeting. Simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 There is a way round this for the GP organisers. Have the top 8 as qualifiers then the rest as meeting guests but pick the next 6 riders every time and the other 2 at random then all 16 riders can still race in Poland's Ekstra Liga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Come on Bjarne, we're waiting... Just a quick reminder that Bjarne qualified by right which is more than you can say for the best of British Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Just a quick reminder that Bjarne qualified by right which is more than you can say for the best of British still not good enough to win or even come close though. nice chap though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 still not good enough to win or even come close though. nice chap though. Probably not but credit where credits due and as you say a thoroughly nice chap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Heard strange report today that if Pepe does pull out of 2012 series that BSI are considering offering a 2nd British rider a wild card spot with two names mentioned to both whom have never had brilliant Polish careers and possibly already not with clubs. I personally can't see it but would be very interesting and cause some debate just like Horton at Coventry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Heard strange report today that if Pepe does pull out of 2012 series that BSI are considering offering a 2nd British rider a wild card spot with two names mentioned to both whom have never had brilliant Polish careers and possibly already not with clubs. I personally can't see it but would be very interesting and cause some debate just like Horton at Coventry sorry but they have to ask the riders from the qualifiers first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 sorry but they have to ask the riders from the qualifiers first. No they don't, it's their baby hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 sorry but they have to ask the riders from the qualifiers first. For Protasiewicz's place.But i guess they could in theory offer a Brit Wards place.Hope not.But that might be the scenario flagrag has heard about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 There are always going to be riders who don't have a chance to win anything, but you need to have (at least) 16 riders in the field. If the choice comes down to earning a reasonable living or trailing around at the back of the GP field for a relative pittance, then I know what I'd choose. I think it's more complicated than just a case of choosing money over SGP for PePe. As a rider who has consistently been one of the best in the Extraliga in recent years (there are only 4 GP riders with higher averages in 2011) I am pretty sure PePe would have been able to get another team place for the money he wants. However, he was born in Zielona Gora, captains the club and loves racing for them. A couple of years ago he signed a long term contract and declared he wanted to end his career with Falubaz. He clearly doesn't want to give that up just to chase a dream in the SGP, and who can blame him? I just find it sad that he has been put in this position by the Polish authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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