Trees Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) Have a look at, http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedway/messages makes surprising reading jeeeez Darcy may be damned if he does, damned if he doesn't ........ how unfair!! Edited October 31, 2011 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Ha, ha, ha. Will LOVE to see what the GP apologists make of it if Scotty really IS the replacement!!! I was looking at the gpseries if say within a couple of years , Crump, gollob,holta,hancock, pedersen, dont ride in it i think the series will look quite weak.i no newcomers will come along i suppose morris,ect]and bridge the gap. But i remember in the 80s speedway lost loads of stars all at one given time.Mauger,collins,lee,penhall, sigalos,louis,carter,autrey,olsen,.And it took along time to replace them,.The quality in numbers, strength in debth is not there now.Wheres i was thinking,in the 60s,70s80s, for sixteen places you would have at least 50 top class riders to pick from.maybe i am wrong and there will be a resurgence of stars come through quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiej95 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I am sorry but surely Tai Woffinden should get a wildcard ahead of Scott Nicholls? If he wants it, Tai is as good as Scott if not better, and much younger so only going to get better. Woffinden should get in ahead of Watt and Zorro as well, purely as the GP needs good youngsters going through. Two of Woffinden, Batchelor, Grigory Laguta for me (If they would accept) then turn to Zorro and Watt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I am sorry but surely Tai Woffinden should get a wildcard ahead of Scott Nicholls? If he wants it, Tai is as good as Scott if not better, and much younger so only going to get better. Woffinden should get in ahead of Watt and Zorro as well, purely as the GP needs good youngsters going through. Two of Woffinden, Batchelor, Grigory Laguta for me (If they would accept) then turn to Zorro and Watt But the wild cards have to go to someone not already signed up to a Polish team with a GP rider leaving limited options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drac Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Peter Ljung - PLEASE NO What is happening to the GP series. Don't stick Ljung in, Give the wildcard to Hans or somebody like Cameron Heeps. I see KKS is back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 So, Scott Nicholls and Davey Watt seem to be the ones being invited in to replace Ward and Protasiewicz. Oh dear.... Maybe this is the time for Scott to put in his serious bid for the World Title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 the Poles have really caused a stir with there new ruling haven't they ... i don't have a problem with riders treating riding as a business and trying to earn as much as possible...it isn't a long career and they need to earn what they can whilst available. I think it is a sad day though when a domestic league can severely weaken what should be the very pinnacle of the sport...the GP's have done an awful lot to try and modernise the sport and give it a new image at top level...the old World Final was dying, despite what people say, and the GP's have always come across as very professional on the TV and made the sport look very good. Darcy Ward is probably the most exciting talent i have seen for years...i would have gone out of way to see him in the GP's and the GP's should have the best talent available...the fact that it won't because of a domestic league is a sad day i think and also a worrying one for the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Un Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 So what happens for instance if Ward having turned down a permanent wild card is then offered a wild card for each individual GP meeting and rides in all of the GP meetings? Alternatively does any rider who rides for a Polish EL team with a current GP rider, have to decline the wild card for any or all GP meetings? Would any rider riding in any GP meeting be banned from the Polish EL for the rest of the year if he rides for a team with a current GP rider? How do we know that Darcy would actually do very well over a full GP season? Hans rode over half of a season as a reserve replacement and achieved much more than Darcy did this year as he won GP meetings and got close to taking the bronze medal: However the following year when many were tipping him as an outside chance to become world champion he did not finish in the top eight. I am not convinced that Darcy's decision is based either on money or Polish EL speedway: As I said at the time Darcy said months ago that he did not want a permanent GP Wild Card for 2012 because he did not feel ready for a full season of GP meetings. Maybe he has realised that he might well lose a lot of money due to the costs of riding in the GP series and under those circumstances I would not blame him not taking up a wild card option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 the Poles have really caused a stir with there new ruling haven't they ... i don't have a problem with riders treating riding as a business and trying to earn as much as possible...it isn't a long career and they need to earn what they can whilst available. I think it is a sad day though when a domestic league can severely weaken what should be the very pinnacle of the sport...the GP's have done an awful lot to try and modernise the sport and give it a new image at top level...the old World Final was dying, despite what people say, and the GP's have always come across as very professional on the TV and made the sport look very good. Darcy Ward is probably the most exciting talent i have seen for years...i would have gone out of way to see him in the GP's and the GP's should have the best talent available...the fact that it won't because of a domestic league is a sad day i think and also a worrying one for the future Totally agree, id pay money to see him to me he could be like a TYSON,MCENROE,A.HIGGINS of our sport take it up a notch raise the profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Totally agree, id pay money to see him to me he could be like a TYSON,MCENROE,A.HIGGINS of our sport take it up a notch raise the profile. Alrite don't get a stork on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 So, Scott Nicholls and Davey Watt seem to be the ones being invited in to replace Ward and Protasiewicz. Oh dear.... Maybe this is the time for Scott to put in his serious bid for the World Title That's all we need to washed out old Romeos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 the GP's have done an awful lot to try and modernise the sport and give it a new image at top level Only because of the satellite tv monies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Only because of the satellite tv monies! I'm not sure I get your point there....Maybe I am just really slow, but what do you mean by that comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomo1 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 So, one week further on and Matt Ford seems to be ruling Vaculik out of Poole's plans (having previousl hinted heavily that he was to be the first signing for 2012) as he expects him to take up one of the SGP places. This will mean him being on a reassessed 8 points!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 So, one week further on and Matt Ford seems to be ruling Vaculik out of Poole's plans (having previousl hinted heavily that he was to be the first signing for 2012) as he expects him to take up one of the SGP places. This will mean him being on a reassessed 8 points!! So,for the sake of his team place in Poland,Darcy has cocked up the plans of his beloved Promoter and team back in his adopted home of Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Only because of the satellite tv monies! Its tried, the sport no farther forward backwards if anything prize money a joke,the elite league in a sorry state apart from that its all looking rosy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclofty Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 So,for the sake of his team place in Poland,Darcy has cocked up the plans of his beloved Promoter and team back in his adopted home of Poole Think you'll find that Vaculik would replace Protasiewicz and not Ward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I know it's if's and but's but what happens then say April/May time and one of the riders say Darcy Ward has a stinker of a start on Poland and the Torum management dump him which isn't beyond the realms of reality with the way the Polish teams seem to go about things will the SGP brigade then bring in the rider as a permanent wildcard for the rest of the series? Cna see some lawyers making some ££ out of the current situation with the PZM and SGP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Its tried, the sport no farther forward backwards if anything prize money a joke,the elite league in a sorry state apart from that its all looking rosy. What language is this? It certainly isn't English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 So what happens for instance if Ward having turned down a permanent wild card is then offered a wild card for each individual GP meeting and rides in all of the GP meetings? Excellent point, who knows if this hasn't even already been discussed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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