Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 So if Darcy turns it down then why let him in in the future? It's an interesting scenario. Given a couple of years - if he's still turning it down - we could have a situation where the rider who is possibly the best in the world is not in the World Championship. It'll be like Ali/Fazier all over again. Who's the real champ? The champ can't be the worlds champ coz he ain't beaten Darcy! Maybe others will drop out too. Then we could see a split and two seperate "World" championships - a GRand Prix and a one-off individual one. Sounds far fetched but it's happened in other sports so it could happen. Can see a big thrilling meeting in Manila deciding it in the end. A thriller in Manila would suit me (though awkward to get there! ) though I'd equally like a trembley at Wembley!! Grachan is spot on that the withdrawal of top young riders from the GPs just shows up the slippery slope this particular format is on... For once I agree 100% with by old nemesis mick the muppet: Speedway should end all this rubbish with the GP's and get back to it's roots again and have a proper world championship. There are people who have nothing to do with Speedway earning far more out of it than Speedway itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 A thriller in Manila would suit me (though awkward to get there! ) though I'd equally like a trembley at Wembley!! Grachan is spot on that the withdrawal of top young riders from the GPs just shows up the slippery slope this particular format is on... For once I agree 100% with by old nemesis mick the muppet: Who's your pick Mr. Nearly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 The most ridiculous post ever, you dont no wards reasons finance?Ive mentioned it before Ward is a terrific rider.His choice ,keep saying about oh he didnt qualify Speedway needs the wards of this world because there is a lack of general quality world wide coming through.You would have to be stevie wonder to say he shouldnt be in the gps.anyway darcys call maybe he hasnt the set up yet.Why are some people negative towards him?one of a few riders i would pay just to see him ride. Great post Sidney. Since he burst onto the scene he's revitalised interest in the sport, first Downunder and now Europe, and folks like me travel the world to watch him race. I for one would love to see him in EnZed next March. Why not let him make his own mind up when he feels ready, rather than being pushed into it too soon? Riders like Darcy put bums on seats; hopefully there's a few more in the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) So if Darcy turns it down then why let him in in the future? It's an interesting scenario. Given a couple of years - if he's still turning it down - we could have a situation where the rider who is possibly the best in the world is not in the World Championship. The problem for the GP is that he might actually be the best rider in the world NEXT year and he's not in the World Championship. Surely BSI are concerned that any propective world champion would find a prefferable alternative to their series As someone else pointed out the Polish Gp rider policy for 2012 was known all this year. So I just don't understand why Darcy was going through the qualifying rounds if he was only only going to decline a place if he qualified, or had it offered gratis. And similarly, he took up GP wild card placings 'without a team' to do it and presumably not using that experiemnce to get that team in place for the following year. Has he just been a dirty big tease? I just wonder how keen Mr Bellamy will be to extend that meeting by meeting wildcard to Darcy once he has gone into this self imposed 2012 exile? Edited October 22, 2011 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 I just wonder how keen Mr Bellamy will be to extend that meeting by meeting wildcard to Darcy once he has gone into this self imposed 2012 exile? It seems everyone thinks IMG need Darcy more than Darcy needs them. IF Darcy carries on in the same form he has this year of course Mr Bellamy will want him in his competition as a wildcard ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Who's your pick Mr. Nearly? My pick..? It's that we pick ourselves up from this sorry shambles and go back to a proper meritocratic World Championship and stop marginalising our sport by a copy of an inferior GP product..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) My pick..? It's that we pick ourselves up from this sorry shambles and go back to a proper meritocratic World Championship and stop marginalising our sport by a copy of an inferior GP product..! Are you on medication Mr. Nearly (answers a question)? One more thing... What inferior GP product is this World Championship a copy of? Edited October 23, 2011 by ImpartialOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Great post Sidney. Since he burst onto the scene he's revitalised interest in the sport, first Downunder and now Europe, and folks like me travel the world to watch him race. I for one would love to see him in EnZed next March. Why not let him make his own mind up when he feels ready, rather than being pushed into it too soon? Riders like Darcy put bums on seats; hopefully there's a few more in the wings. I didnt realise Dave ,about the joke money in the gps you no more than me travelling ect costs ect.The money on offer pittance it just shows me the gp series is in a very dangerous position at the moment.whats worrying is that total energy since 1995 has gone into the gps [sod the elite league standard for me quite poor]and the series is not that strong financially.Greg being a great champion, should reape the financial rewards deserves it but is it that rewarding in comparrison to other sports.?Going back to ward, i think he wants to be on a sound footing team wise costs well frightening if you add it all up.And if you ride your? off for a 8 month period he deserves to make a profit dosent he.Unless he gets help money wise for Darcy to realise a dream of being world champion is going to cost him money alot of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) Based on todays conversion rate $1 = £0.626 a rough guide to GP earnings in 2011 are:- Greg Hancock $87,400 = £54,712.40 Andreas Jonsson $70,250 = £43,976.50 Jaroslaw Hampel $63,500 = £39,751.00 Jason Crump $55,350 = £34,649.10 Tomasz Gollob $59,000 = £36,934.00 Emil Sayfutdinov $56,850 = £35,588.10 Kenneth Bjerre $52,550 = £32,896.30 Chris Holder $59,250 = £37,090.50 Fredrik Lindgren $50,550 = £31,644.30 Nicki Pedersen $59,250 = £37,090.50 Chris Harris $48,050 = £30,079.30 Antonio Lindback $47,950 = £30,016.70 Rune Holta $40,450 = £25,321.70 Janusz Kolodziej $39,000 = £24,414.00 Artem Laguta $32,500 = £20,345.00 Including all the Track Reserves and Wild Cards (not listed above) I reckon total Prize Money to be in the region of £600,000. ATB Dave Edited October 23, 2011 by Gambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 One more thing... What inferior GP product is this World Championship a copy of? I was thinking of F1... Not saying inferior in terms of its commercial success, but inferior in terms of how bloody difficult it would be (without HUGE money) to get into... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 My pick..? It's that we pick ourselves up from this sorry shambles and go back to a proper meritocratic World Championship and stop marginalising our sport by a copy of an inferior GP product..! Well knowing lots of casual TV viewers who enjoy the GP coverage, plus having been to several over the years and the fact that it seems to be a financial success for the organisers, I would say opinions are blinkered. The old format was dying rapidly and was basically dead on its feet. The GP series has brought the world Championship into the modern world and is a much fairer system of finding the most deserving champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Well knowing lots of casual TV viewers who enjoy the GP coverage, plus having been to several over the years and the fact that it seems to be a financial success for the organisers, I would say opinions are blinkered. The old format was dying rapidly and was basically dead on its feet. The GP series has brought the world Championship into the modern world and is a much fairer system of finding the most deserving champion. Was you there Penhall final 1981? 92000 fans dont think it was dying on its feet do you.I think you are blinkered ,the organisers might be making good money the riders certainly are not.Not getting the rewards they deserve the gpseries if you look at it is not in great shape.You said taking it into the modern world i thought the riders would be making fortunes out of it which they deserve in my opinion.Dont pretend everything is rosy because it is not also i think alot of people who like the gps didnt even watch one off finals.The words that stays with me are THE ORGANISERS ARE MAKING MONEY but is speedway going forward and riders getting the money they deserve NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Was you there Penhall final 1981? 92000 fans dont think it was dying on its feet do you.I think you are blinkered ,the organisers might be making good money the riders certainly are not.Not getting the rewards they deserve the gpseries if you look at it is not in great shape.You said taking it into the modern world i thought the riders would be making fortunes out of it which they deserve in my opinion.Dont pretend everything is rosy because it is not also i think alot of people who like the gps didnt even watch one off finals.The words that stays with me are THE ORGANISERS ARE MAKING MONEY but is speedway going forward and riders getting the money they deserve NO. That was 30 years ago! What about Norden, Vojens etc? The FIM were struggling to find hosts for the Final. Get some old Speedway Stars from around September time, have a look in the letters pages and see the amounts of complaints about how a one day final is unfair, the line up is poor etc. There is no system that will please everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 That was 30 years ago! What about Norden, Vojens etc? The FIM were struggling to find hosts for the Final. Get some old Speedway Stars from around September time, have a look in the letters pages and see the amounts of complaints about how a one day final is unfair, the line up is poor etc. There is no system that will please everyone. What im saying,wasnt dying on its feet i went to Norden 30odd thousand.My point is with all the money supposingly in the gps where is it going?Not in the riders pockets i no the gps are hear to stay and the old days are gone i am a realist.But cant believe how much some of the riders are out of pocket when they deserve better.Can you tell me a figure generated by the gps and who gets what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 What im saying,wasnt dying on its feet i went to Norden 30odd thousand.My point is with all the money supposingly in the gps where is it going?Not in the riders pockets i no the gps are hear to stay and the old days are gone i am a realist.But cant believe how much some of the riders are out of pocket when they deserve better.Can you tell me a figure generated by the gps and who gets what? You're right in that the riders should be making a healthy profit from the series. What the riders are provided with is a good advertising canvass to sell to sponsors. Most motorsports series provide relatively poor pay to competitors/teams, it is sponsorship that makes the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 You're right in that the riders should be making a healthy profit from the series. What the riders are provided with is a good advertising canvass to sell to sponsors. Most motorsports series provide relatively poor pay to competitors/teams, it is sponsorship that makes the difference. I no we will never no say Cardiff,are individuaels just making a healthy return and none of it going back into speedway grass roots ect.I no its always been a issue, even Briggo said before 72 final prize money was a joke.In this day and age riders should be getting more they are providing us with the entertainment.I just did not realize,how much little return the riders got hence maybe why ward will not ride in the gps.Darcy noes he will ride only for so long[god forbid no injuries]and has to earn to as and when he isnt a speedway rider.So if you asked darcy either win the world championship go into history but earn hardly anything.Or do what hes doing now for a long period and have something for his future.what would i do ?ambitsion win titles earn little or just earn and have a nest egg. the latter for me difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 It is no surprise that Ward is thinking of his future. The riders who seem to be successful in the GP are those with strong and stable back up teams, plus a lot of money. I personally think Greg spent a fortune this year in order to win the big prize having earnt enough to set him and his family for life. However without Ward, the series will struggle as I think besides Holder, Emil and Nicki - Harris & AJ when on form, the rest are hardly the most exiting. Plus Ward is also wondering whether he wants that much pressure on his shoulders in just his 4th year. One of the reasons IMO young riders who burst on the scene end up flattering to deiceve is the realisation that speedway is now their job, not something they happened to be good at. IMO Ward doesn't need to rush, and should enjoy the winter off and look at the possibiies in his pit crew and see if he can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 It is no surprise that Ward is thinking of his future. The riders who seem to be successful in the GP are those with strong and stable back up teams, plus a lot of money. I personally think Greg spent a fortune this year in order to win the big prize having earnt enough to set him and his family for life. However without Ward, the series will struggle as I think besides Holder, Emil and Nicki - Harris & AJ when on form, the rest are hardly the most exiting. Plus Ward is also wondering whether he wants that much pressure on his shoulders in just his 4th year. One of the reasons IMO young riders who burst on the scene end up flattering to deiceve is the realisation that speedway is now their job, not something they happened to be good at. IMO Ward doesn't need to rush, and should enjoy the winter off and look at the possibiies in his pit crew and see if he can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 It is no surprise that Ward is thinking of his future. The riders who seem to be successful in the GP are those with strong and stable back up teams, plus a lot of money. I personally think Greg spent a fortune this year in order to win the big prize having earnt enough to set him and his family for life. However without Ward, the series will struggle as I think besides Holder, Emil and Nicki - Harris & AJ when on form, the rest are hardly the most exiting. Plus Ward is also wondering whether he wants that much pressure on his shoulders in just his 4th year. One of the reasons IMO young riders who burst on the scene end up flattering to deiceve is the realisation that speedway is now their job, not something they happened to be good at. IMO Ward doesn't need to rush, and should enjoy the winter off and look at the possibiies in his pit crew and see if he can do it. I enjoy watching Gollob,Crump,[idmire both] Greg well shows good blokes can win and get there rewards.Enjoy watching ward speedways lucky to have him.I hope he forgets the gps this year and just enjoys his speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 What im saying,wasnt dying on its feet i went to Norden 30odd thousand.My point is with all the money supposingly in the gps where is it going?Not in the riders pockets i no the gps are hear to stay and the old days are gone i am a realist.But cant believe how much some of the riders are out of pocket when they deserve better.Can you tell me a figure generated by the gps and who gets what? SORRY to correct you but there wasn't 90,000 plus at Wembley in 1981 nor anywhere near 30,000 at Norden. Less than 20,000 at the last World Final staged in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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