PHILIPRISING Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 IF, as seems likely, Darcy Ward defers his inevitable progression to the SGP series for a year who will the FIM and BSI choose to take his place in 2012? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 To appease the angry PC brigade and even better,confuse the Sky commentators,i would nominate Shanchajan Vasantharajan But sadly i fear he has retired from our sport,so i think Parsloes should nominate the "new face" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) IF, as seems likely, Darcy Ward defers his inevitable progression to the SGP series for a year who will the FIM and BSI choose to take his place in 2012? Â I'm not sure who should be given a wild card in his place ... but I have to say after all this talk we have had about GP qualification I don't feel to well disposed to any little mite who turns down a wild card. Â I just don't accept the explanations being given. Â Here is a rider who entered the qualificatiuon procedure to try and gain entry to the 2012 series ... but failed. He was quite happy to take every opportunity to have individual wild cards as they were presented ( with not a thought for others who may have relished the priviledge) ... but now finds he has overpowering reasons for not accepting a permanent wild card for 2012. Â What would have happened if he had actually qualified via the system in place. Would he have declined to take up his place if he had gained it through Vetlanda? Or is it only the wild card he feels so happy to decline? Â If I were BSI I would say 'Sod you, Darcy'. Edited October 22, 2011 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 So if Darcy turns it down then why let him in in the future? It's an interesting scenario. Given a couple of years - if he's still turning it down - we could have a situation where the rider who is possibly the best in the world is not in the World Championship. Â It'll be like Ali/Fazier all over again. Who's the real champ? The champ can't be the worlds champ coz he ain't beaten Darcy! Â Maybe others will drop out too. Then we could see a split and two seperate "World" championships - a GRand Prix and a one-off individual one. Sounds far fetched but it's happened in other sports so it could happen. Â Can see a big thrilling meeting in Manila deciding it in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBee Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Vaculik so he gets an 8 point average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) if darcy doesnt want it then i would suggest Pawlicki. shamak is doing really well esp in poland.  Tai would have been good choice but dont think he wants it yet  Maybe nicholls or rory schlein? Edited October 22, 2011 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 my choice would be Grigorij Laguta. Very good results in both Sweden and Poland. Â The question though, is if he would have problems getting a visa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRackBandit Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 my choice would be Grigorij Laguta. Very good results in both Sweden and Poland. Â The question though, is if he would have problems getting a visa? Â What he said .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 I'm not sure who should be given a wild card in his place ... but I have to say after all this talk we have had about GP qualification I don't feel to well disposed to any little mite who turns down a wild card. Â I just don't accept the explanations being given. Â Here is a rider who entered the qualificatiuon procedure to try and gain entry to the 2012 series ... but failed. He was quite happy to take every opportunity to have individual wild cards as they were presented ( with not a thought for others who may have relished the priviledge) ... but now finds he has overpowering reasons for not accepting a permanent wild card for 2012. Â What would have happened if he had actually qualified via the system in place. Would he have declined to take up his place if he had gained it through Vetlanda? Or is it only the wild card he feels so happy to decline? Â If I were BSI I would say 'Sod you, Darcy'. The most ridiculous post ever, you dont no wards reasons finance?Ive mentioned it before Ward is a terrific rider.His choice ,keep saying about oh he didnt qualify Speedway needs the wards of this world because there is a lack of general quality world wide coming through.You would have to be stevie wonder to say he shouldnt be in the gps.anyway darcys call maybe he hasnt the set up yet.Why are some people negative towards him?one of a few riders i would pay just to see him ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Maybe Nicholls? He would end the season on about 35 points, and that's with 12 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 It was reported that Matej Zagar was invited to take part if any of the 4 refused their place. Â However, Matej has already rejected this offer and signed to race for Gorzow alongside Tomasz Gollob next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 The only reason Darcy Ward might turn a wild card down is because the money in the GP's is pathetic and if they bring the new rule in Poland next season he could be frozen out. Poland will probably bring in a rule that any team can only have one GP rider. Only 4 or 5 riders make a profit out of a GP. It is obscene that the prize money for a GP ranges from £6500 down to £1000 depending where you finish. That roughly £60,000 prize money for a 3 live hour meeting. The riders have to take their accommodation.travel ,mechanic's fees out of that. Compare that to Sky paying on average £2,4million per live Premier League football match. I know what is more entertaining. So ING will have to up the ante or the GP's will die unless they pay a sensible return for the riders efforts . If one rider won say 10 Grand Prix's he would only win ££65,000. That is awful compared to some darts and snooker prize money. Speedway should end all this rubbish with the GP's and get back to it's roots again and have a proper world championship. There are people who have nothing to do with Speedway earning far more out of it than Speedway itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 It was reported that Matej Zagar was invited to take part if any of the 4 refused their place. Â However, Matej has already rejected this offer and signed to race for Gorzow alongside Tomasz Gollob next season. Phew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Phew! Yup.Fingers crossed PePe * Bjarne have to turn down their places as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 I think it shows you where the real power is in World Speedway. Â Poland. Â Any rider who has aspirations of riding in the top league in Poland is not going to take a wild card, end of the day money talks and pays the bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Yup.Fingers crossed PePe * Bjarne have to turn down their places as well Absolutely. I feel like we've gone backwards 5 years. Â For me, any one of: Tomas H Jonasson Grigory Laguta Rory Schlein Przemeslaw Pawlicki and possibly Hans Andersen if he could find some decent form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Absolutely. I feel like we've gone backwards 5 years. Â For me, any one of: Tomas H Jonasson Grigory Laguta Rory Schlein Przemeslaw Pawlicki and possibly Hans Andersen if he could find some decent form. Â Â And you were doing so well!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Wasn't Ward doing the qualifiers BEFORE the Poles said just one GP rider per team. Â goal posts have changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Wasn't Ward doing the qualifiers BEFORE the Poles said just one GP rider per team.  goal posts have changed  No. Poland announced the 1 GP rider for 2012 before the 2011 season had even started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 And you were doing so well!! I still think on his day Andersen is a class act and I think the GPs are poorer without him. He has tended to ride injured in a lot of GPs when he should have sat it out but needed to ride for the points. If he could have a year without injuries I think we would see a return to the HA of old, or somewhere near it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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