ImpartialOne Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I'd ignore the pathetic attempts of our brigade of urine-extractors if I were you cuz, if all they can do is knock anything and everything. I'd suggest there are a few more Aussies in the wings than the ones you've mentioned - Batch is committed to having a pop at the GP Challenge next year for one, and I'm sure Rory and Davey will give it another shot, plus there are plenty like Nick & young Cam who'll be taking the next step up shortly, including Taylor Poole & Todd Kurtz. We've seen plenty in the past who've shone at Junior level but been unable to go on - Leigh Adams & Joe Screen, to name but two. While I can't see Darcy not becoming a senior champion fortune has a way of conspiring against the best. They have no life, Parsloes; it wouldn't be fair to begrudge them the only enjoyment they have in anonymously slagging off people who stand head and shoulders above them, plus we can pity them at the same time, the poor things - let's face it, they're definitely from the shallow end of the gene pool. Another pint of bitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 It would be more fun if Holder and Ward ended up falling out when they are both fighting for WCs. Imagine the battles and possible publicity that would bring. With Davey Watt in the middle trying to calm it all down and Boycey in the background showing them how he knocked Gollob out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywamill Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Would be great to get back to the younger generation mounting a serious challenge. The Grand Prix format appears to suit the 'more experienced' riders. People knock Hampel and Jonsson, but they are the only ones who have really threatened the older generation in the last two or three years. Harris and Lindgren appear to have reached a plateau and riders like Chris Holder and Emil needs to push on to the next level. Hopefully all four will come through in the next year or so and give some variety to the championship. The sport could do with some new faces and Ward would be a fantastic inclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) It says a lot that you can't actually explain it. Yes, what is the explanation of this? Can anyone advance a theory? The original question about Darcy becoming World champion made me do a little thinking back ... just who has come into the series and won? Much has been made about Greg Hancock winning his second championship some 14 years since his first but those years inbetween show a remarkable lack of 'new winners'. Only Mark Loram (2000), Nicki P (2003), Jason (2004) and, of course, Tomek (2010) have moved from the mortal ranks to be World Champion for the first time during those 14 years. And THREE of those four actually had already been in the series prior to 1997 anyway; they were hardly newbies. Actually, out of all the winners of the World Championship since 1997 only ONE single rider has entered the series and then won it IN ALL THOSE 14 YEARS. Nicki Pedersen entered the series for the first time in 2000 (ELEVEN years ago) and won it for the first time in 2003 (EIGHT years ago). If I were Darcy, or actually anyone entering the GP circus anytime soon, I wouldn't be too optimistic about breaking through ... would you? Edited October 7, 2011 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Yes, what is the explanation of this? Can anyone advance a theory? The original question about Darcy becoming World champion made me do a little thinking back ... just who has come into the series and won? Much has been made about Greg Hancock winning his second championship some 14 years since his first but those years show a remarkable lack of 'new winners'. Only Mark Loram (2000), Nicki P (2003), Jason (2004) and, of course, Tomek (2010) have moved from the mortal ranks to be World Champion for the first time during those 14 years. And THREE of those four actually had already been in the series prior to 1997 anyway; they were hardly newbies. Actually, out of all the winners of the World Championship since 1997 only ONE single rider has entered the series and then won it IN ALL THOSE 14 YEARS. Nicki Pedersen entered the series for the first time in 2000 (ELEVEN years ago) and won it for the first time in 2003 (EIGHT years ago). If I were Darcy, or actually anyone entering the GP circus anytime soon, I wouldn't be too optimistic about breaking through ... would you? But the same could be said of the 80s: Lee Penhall Penhall Muller Gundersen Gundersen Nielsen Nielsen Gundersen Nielsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) But the same could be said of the 80s: Lee Penhall Penhall Muller Gundersen Gundersen Nielsen Nielsen Gundersen Nielsen Clearly, I didn't explain my self well enough. The point I was attempting to make was that in the 2000s only one World Champion actually entered the series as a newcomer during that same time frame. Every other champion had already first appeared prior; in fact as far back as 95, 96 and 97. Actually as your list of 1980s Champions shows perfectly how different that was in those days. ONLY Michael Lee and Egon Muller had appeared in a World Final before 1980. Every other Champion was a newcomer at some point in the eighties NOT before. Penhall, Gundersen, and Nielsen were all well outside the World Final envelope in the seventies but burst to greatness in the next decade. ONLY Nicki Pedersen has come in from outside the GP circus of the late nineties and achieved this. So perhaps Darcy will be that man for the 2010s.... we will have to wait and see But just going back to the eighties... Tommy Knudsen, Kenny Carter, Dennis Sigalos, Kelly Moran, Lance King, Simon Wigg, Shawn Moran and Jimmy Nilsen were all possible candidates for a similar thread on the BSF of the time (whatever that would be) and all without a Championship win to their name at the end ... So Darcy may turn out to be a Nicki, a Hans or and Erik ...or possibly a Tommy, a Dennis or a Lance ... as I say only time will tell. Edited October 8, 2011 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 So Darcy may turn out to be a Nicki, a Hans or and Erik ...or possibly a Tommy, a Dennis or a Lance ... as I say only time will tell. or a Leigh Adams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 I'd ignore the pathetic attempts of our brigade of urine-extractors if I were you cuz, if all they can do is knock anything and everything. I'd suggest there are a few more Aussies in the wings than the ones you've mentioned - Batch is committed to having a pop at the GP Challenge next year for one, and I'm sure Rory and Davey will give it another shot, plus there are plenty like Nick & young Cam who'll be taking the next step up shortly, including Taylor Poole & Todd Kurtz. We've seen plenty in the past who've shone at Junior level but been unable to go on - Leigh Adams & Joe Screen, to name but two. While I can't see Darcy not becoming a senior champion fortune has a way of conspiring against the best. Yeah agreed Big Cuz but didnt want to name too many Aussies for fear of being targeted as too pro Oz! Heres to a hopeful Aussie win tonight and an apt tribute to uncle Bill....btw i do think i accidently rang your mobi in the early hours....hope i didnt wake you up?! Go Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineman Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Probably not.. too much too soon doesn't always make for the work ethic needed. This year he has had the best equipment available and been looked after by his mate. He is great to watch and gets some amazing results, but he has quite a way to go yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 (edited) Will Darcy Ward be World Champ? Dunno, but Pratson jinxed him tonight by making it clear he will be biased towards him in the future, and the last few riders he 'bigs up' have flopped, Chris, then Tai and then Emil, now Ward'.. Sorry Darcy, think that means you will not have a good GP season ahead. Edited October 9, 2011 by Marmite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yes without doubt the most talented rider I've seen in 40 seasons of watching speedway . He will be world champion . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Think people seem to be forgetting a young russian lad whos also pretty good?? Holder and Ward are very very good bit IMHO Emil is better than both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Probably not.. too much too soon doesn't always make for the work ethic needed. This year he has had the best equipment available and been looked after by his mate. He is great to watch and gets some amazing results, but he has quite a way to go yet. If there was a proper World Championship like in the days of Collins, Lee, Mauger etc. then I'd venture to suggest Darcy on 2011 form could very possibly have won it THIS year... "Quite a way to go yet"..? That's utter nonsense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 If there was a proper World Championship like in the days of Collins, Lee, Mauger etc. then I'd venture to suggest Darcy on 2011 form could very possibly have won it THIS year... "Quite a way to go yet"..? That's utter nonsense! I disagree. I would wager that, as talented as Darcy is, it will be several years before he can become world champion. Crump looked just as breathtaking as Ward when he first came over, it took him a couple of years to settle, like Darcy and then in 1993 he looked every inch the future World Champion. He made his world final debut the following year but it took him another 10 years before finally nailing his first world title. Ward may well have to wait until 2020 and beyond before he gets it spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 I disagree. I would wager that, as talented as Darcy is, it will be several years before he can become world champion. Crump looked just as breathtaking as Ward when he first came over, it took him a couple of years to settle, like Darcy and then in 1993 he looked every inch the future World Champion. He made his world final debut the following year but it took him another 10 years before finally nailing his first world title. Ward may well have to wait until 2020 and beyond before he gets it spot on. If there was a World Final tomorrow, who'd on earth bet against Darcy winning it..? The GP to some extent counts against newcomers but I'd still say Darcy very likely to make top three next year and hopefully the championship will be between him and Chris Holder and not won again by an old 'un.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 If there was a World Final tomorrow, who'd on earth bet against Darcy winning it..? The GP to some extent counts against newcomers but I'd still say Darcy very likely to make top three next year and hopefully the championship will be between him and Chris Holder and not won again by an old 'un.. My Money would be straight on the current world champion. Id also be willing to bet Darcy doesnt make top 3 next year Or Holder. As a further wager id bet Emil will finish ahead of both of them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 My Money would be straight on the current world champion. Id also be willing to bet Darcy doesnt make top 3 next year Or Holder. As a further wager id bet Emil will finish ahead of both of them again. As admirable as Greg's achievement has been, do you honestly think in a one-off Final he'd be able to cope with the youth and bravery of young Darcy..? I don't think so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineman Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Well I saw Peter Collins, Michael Lee, Dave Jessup etc as they came through the ranks. What they could do was achieve consistency. For DW to be a one-off World Champion he'd have to score 14 or 15 from 5 rides on a strange track against the World's best including riders he'd never seen before, on a given night. Has he done that this year? Only in the under 21's (and he also had bad rounds there) ....so on the evidence he does have a way to go. It would also do the lad a favour if people were a little more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 As admirable as Greg's achievement has been, do you honestly think in a one-off Final he'd be able to cope with the youth and bravery of young Darcy..? I don't think so... For someone who seems to have been around speedway for quite some time, that's a very naive comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 As admirable as Greg's achievement has been, do you honestly think in a one-off Final he'd be able to cope with the youth and bravery of young Darcy..? I don't think so... Possibly, but irrelevant. We don't have one-off Finals so it's pointless speculating. Ward will no doubt show flashes of brilliance next year, but I think he will find it hard to achieve the level of consistency to challenge for the rostrum. I would expect him to be more of an Emil than a Tai, but the GP is a tough arena. Holder has had 2 years in the GP's and has won a couple, but has still only finished 8th in the past two series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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